'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

xx CURVE xx said:

KS wasnt a whinnie little quitter bro.

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Stoner quit when he was fairly close to being ahead, in most contexts in life not a bad thing to do, which the rider he most resembles (in my opinion as well as basspete's) fast freddie spencer did not do. If you don't want to do it you shouldn't do it, particularly something which requires as much focus as riding motogp bikes by his method.



Was valentino mentally and physically tougher over a much longer period? Sure, but then he is rather good. Not sure watching this race that valentino shouldn't have quit after 2009; even if he matches jorge next year which is far from impossible, dani on that honda with honda's resources and honda wanting to prove something even more so than usual may be hard to toss no matter how well valentino rides.

BarryMachine said:

I know Stoner has been the fastest most talented, least quitting on a Duc. most rapidly prolific rider in the history of GP but has anybody else has a corner named after then whilst still racing?

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Yeah Nico Terol at Valencia this weekend!

lil red rocket pilot said:

Yeah Nico Terol at Valencia this weekend!

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125 or Moto 2 don't count, you should know that!

Goatboy said:

Having a corner named after you in a country that isn't your own is the real test. Any fucketer can get a named corner in their own country.

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Valentino should be a fair chance of having his name attached to some real estate at PI, even apart from his overall record there and possibly his greatest ever ride being there, they have now run out of australian premier class championship winners after whom to name further scenery.

michaelm said:

Valentino should be a fair chance of having his name attached to some real estate at PI, even apart from his overall record there and possibly his greatest ever ride being there, they have now run out of australian premier class championship winners after whom to name further scenery.

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Is their a Sheene corner anywhere else in the world except Brands Hatch? Should be.

SlartyBartFast said:

You must also be disappointed with some of the other 'legends' then.

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Explain to me what makes him a legend. He won two world championships - what's the cutoff between 'great rider' and 'legend'?



Lorenzo has won four WCs in two classes, against riders acknowledged as some of the best ever. Is he a legend? He is in a position to win more MotoGP WCs, which is certainly putting him on the track to legend status.



Freddie Spencer winning the double, that's legendary. Doohan winning five on the bounce, that's legendary. Agostini winning 15 350 and 500 WCs is legendary.



Casey Stoner may be the most talented rider of his generation, may be the most talented ever, but he didn't stick around long enough to become a legend.



Don't get me wrong, I've followed his progress since the British 125 champs and solidly supported him against nay-sayers that called him 'Crasher Stoner', 'Stacey Moaner', whatever silly epithets they thought were funny and thought mattered, supported his decision to leave the sport he fought to reach the top of against some of the most talented riders of any era, but to me he will never be a legend for one reason only - he didn't stick around long enough to become one.



Does that denigrate his talent or his impact on racing? Does it make less of his victories or of his ability to demolish an opposition? Does it mean he won't continue to be the rider I will mourn never seeing ride again?



No.



He will always be someone I can say to my grand-kids, "you think he's good? You never saw Casey Stoner slide it out of turn three at Philip Island!"



But... he could have been a legend, just chose not to.

I love it when people get all infatuated with objective arguments for subjective questions.

xx CURVE xx said:

KS wasnt a whinnie little quitter bro.

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Dude! If it ain't fun no more - why do it? Quitters quit because they can't cut it.

Stoner quit because he was bored and sick of the politics. He was a pure racer

- and not a showman. He broke all kinds of records and kicked Mr. 9 times ...

more than any other rider. Everybody has different goals. Apparently he met his

and doesn't care if that's not good enough for some. He's his own man and

there's not a lot that can say that.



Another thing I like about him is that he would never have been stupid enough

to leave Yamaha when they were at the top of their game to ride on the Ducati

when everyone knew it was a piece of ..... I like a guy who can be one of the

best in the world and not have an out of control ego that would allow him

to commit racing suicide by walking away from the top team in a hissy fit.

lil red rocket pilot said:

Legend!!! Are you guys fcuking joking me!!!

Two WC's and he's a legend!

Don't make me laugh!

He's a fcuking QUITTER!!!

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What does he have left to accomplish, and who the .... are you to make that judgement?

a fisherman that makes you bite

michaelm said:

Stoner quit when he was fairly close to being ahead, in most contexts in life not a bad thing to do, which the rider he most resembles (in my opinion as well as basspete's) fast freddie spencer did not do. If you don't want to do it you shouldn't do it, particularly something which requires as much focus as riding motogp bikes by his method.



Was valentino mentally and physically tougher over a much longer period? Sure, but then he is rather good. Not sure watching this race that valentino shouldn't have quit after 2009; even if he matches jorge next year which is far from impossible, dani on that honda with honda's resources and honda wanting to prove something even more so than usual may be hard to toss no matter how well valentino rides.

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Regardless of all the time and resources that have preceded Dani's coming of age - his race craft has come a long way since 2006 and with 7 wins this year, I for one would not bet against him in 2013. He's clearly not cowed by Lorenzo and not likely to be losing sleep over the return of Rossi.

some things to remember the 20th legend

















this is also and usb

cool, met the guy in the paddock?

i had to write "to cliché - casey" myself on my stoner poster

i didnt met casey. Its a long story how i take autograph and usb. A friend from a greek forum(he lives at conpehagen) , go to catalunya gp. The trip was arranged for the research on the thesis (graduate ??) (sorry for my english )

He met rossi(rossi was driving a scooter and stop in front of him). And then ask rossi (i cant undertsand even today the words) "- Il prossimo anno venga a Yamaha!" . HE told me that " He laughed and gone, nothing was random "



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HE found nakamoto and then......

He sent me a file with autograph , usb , and some stickers

no worries, i understand you.

thats a cool story, what he asked vale was whether he'd be on a yamaha next year



cool of them to send you stuff,i've looked everywhere at sachsenring and couldn't find a single free thing to plaster on my moped. greedy .......s

Keshav said:

Regardless of all the time and resources that have preceded Dani's coming of age - his race craft has come a long way since 2006 and with 7 wins this year, I for one would not bet against him in 2013. He's clearly not cowed by Lorenzo and not likely to be losing sleep over the return of Rossi.

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I very much agree,if he can carry this form on in 2013 he's favorite in my book.

cliché guevara said:

no worries, i understand you.

thats a cool story, what he asked vale was whether he'd be on a yamaha next year



cool of them to send you stuff,i've looked everywhere at sachsenring and couldn't find a single free thing to plaster on my moped. greedy .......s

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He didnt go see the race or for..... holidays !

He went there because the research. Maybe thats the key to enter at pits , meet casey, meet ..... , meet nakamoto. The research was nothing to do with motogp. He said " In the above to say that we spoke with over 280 riders this four days and with many competitors and team officials to Dr Costa, journalists etc. "

he told me that called motorcycle tourism, and as the desire to study , to ride motorcycles. Ignorance risks, beliefs, psychographic etc

thanks for the memories casey, i ll miss you



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_dXvCRoz8o

xx CURVE xx said:

KS wasnt a whinnie little quitter bro.

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I remember some guy taking his bat and ball and walking out about a third the way through the '95 season. Was he blubbing at the press conference because the little sooky-la-la couldn't even get top 3? While his 'strayan teammate was winning and getting podiums?

if stoner is a legend then lorenzo better be as well!