'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

Bsnell said:

Post-of-the-.......-year Mdub, THANK YOU for supporting what I have been trying to say...

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So he should have stayed in the sport for the sake of those fans who hate him?

michaelm said:

As I frequently say. any bitching and moaning by him is vastly exceeded and was preceded by bitching and moaning about him. So now you and others maintain he didn't fulfil his talent, as opposed to the years long refrain that he was a one hit wonder gifted a world title by a massive bike advantage who was subsequently mentally broken by your boy valentino, and that if he doesn't like the sport he should get out of it. Well he doesn't and he has, you have your wish, be happy.

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Are you kidding me? He pissed on motogp every time he opened his mouth. Including his retirement speech. This has nothing to do with my boy Vale, for gods sake I have no idea why you all always go there. This has to do with a man who came and went through motogp like a trojan virus through my computer. It went fast but it ...... .... up.

michaelm said:

Btw, why are you correct now, when everything you ever said about his performances on and development of the ducati has now been proven wrong, perhaps oddly again by your boy vale.

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I am not going to be fished into the same old argument. This isn't about his failure to help develop a bike and has even less to do with Rossi. But ftr I have never been proved wrong about Stoners inability to help with development of a bike. But I dont want to get into that again, you will just turn it into a Vale thing as always.

michaelm said:

So he should have stayed in the sport for the sake of those fans who hate him?

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No. He should have became a professional fisherman instead.

hey guys !

one quick question

Is this photo real ? Is the front wheel at the air ? Or he powerslides and do whelie at the same time ?

MdubSTYLIE said:

He choose to ..... and complain, not realizing he had all the juice(clout).

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Right there MDub nailed why Casey will be remembered as the most talented of his generation and why Rossi will be remembered as the most successful of his generation. Talent is GREAT. But using your talent to generate clout to bend the sport to your favour is success. (NOTE: NOT GOAT or GOD or really probably not more talent than some of his generation but the ability to turn MGP wins into a global brand WILL make Rossi stand out from his contemporaries whether y'all like it or not.

michaelm said:

So he should have stayed in the sport for the sake of those fans who hate him?

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No, but instead of moaning he had the power to change things. Instead he became a cry baby, must be an Aussie trait

mario27 said:

hey guys !

one quick question

Is this photo real ? Is the front wheel at the air ? Or he powerslides and do whelie at the same time ?

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Optical illusion

MdubSTYLIE said:

having all the talent in the world and no ambition.

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What a load of ...... Who the .... races from early teens to late 20s living in a camper

risking their parents every penny to make it from race to race, endures years on the road

without having a real home to live in, endless bouts of jet lag and ...... food on the road,

not to mention enduring endless injuries and constantly putting their life at risk ................without having ambition?

This is just sour grapes from you because he doesn't live up to your high standards. What a joke. Do you even

know the meaning of the word?

Bsnell said:

Oh boy, I see the kiddies all got their panties in a twist, i'm gonna have fun here...







I take it you mean irony? No, I don't work, my family is loaded and so I don't have to work thankfully. The irony is that my parents have more wealth than your adored Mr Stoner

I agree, and if you read back I have not complained about him retiring. Its his life and his decision and I admire him for it in fact. What I do have a problem with is his attitude, especially towards fans (epecially in the UK where her tars everyone with the same brush - a raging Rossi fan and a Stoner hater). Like it or not, in the profession he chose he had a corporate responsibility to his fans and the people who pay his wages.









Totally agree Mr Essay Poster (

), however I don't think he wasted his talent. Talent brings responsibility at that level like it or not.







Again you missed my point, I fully accept and compliment the guy on leaving when he wanted to rather than carrying on without the motivation, but his attitude still stunk for someone who was looked up to by millions and thus is an example.









Touched a nerv did I Keshav? Well its clear to me you wanna suck him off already! Where did I say about Stoner meeting my standards and expectations? By your own argument who are you to tell me what I can do and how I can feel? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

I don't give a .... what the guy does in his career, what I do give a .... about is seeing two young kids in the paddock waiting to see their hero for nearly an hour but the pit garage, banners and all, and he rides right past them on his moped because he considers every UK fan a Rossi loving prick.I was a stoner fan up until I saw that because for all his whinging he didn't give a .... about non Aussie fans and despite his blantant disregard for authority/corporate sponsors/whatever you want to call it, he still took the money.



And as I said before, the guy can ride better than I but I don't envy him at all, I haven't worked propoerly since 2008 because I don't need to (because i'm loaded), and i'm only 30! I've achieved plenty thanks, but nothing i wish to share with a creep

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If you're fishing for a real response you'll have to come up with more than grade-school insults and whining about some whiny kid who didn't get an autograph. Nothing you've said deserves a serious reposte.

Yes but you did respond



I ain't fishin for ...., not off an online forum thats for sure, but your obsessions with trying to convince strangers to your thinking makes me chuckle. Again, touched a nerve did I? Do you have kids? Let me know if you do, I'll come and call them ..... and slap them around a bit until they cry...I'll bet you my entire family's wealth you wouldnt be calling them a whiny kid........

Bsnell said:

Yes but you did respond

I ain't fishin for ...., not off an online forum thats for sure, but your obsessions with trying to convince strangers to your thinking makes me chuckle. Again, touched a nerve did I? Do you have kids? Let me know if you do, I'll come and call them ..... and slap them around a bit until they cry...I'll bet you my entire family's wealth you wouldnt be calling them a whiny kid........

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Tell me about your families wealth. Will I need a car, a truck or a train to pick it up? Oh, and where do you live? Can't be Australia as we are all bogan convicts.



Can you please refrain from painting all Aussie's with the same brush?

None of your business, suffice to say its a lot.



Why not? Stoner paints us Brits all with the same brush so take it up with him first man....

Bsnell said:

Haha, this is so funny. I never pushed my opinion as fact, I merely stated my opinion given my experiences. What I do see on here is religious fanatic levels of debate about Stoner and Rossi. Throw the words "Rossi/Stoner is ....... than Stoner/Rossi" in here and watch the .... kick off, its hilarious

Of course you're entitled to your view, just because it doesnt agree with mine doesnt mean its wrong. So there, whats the argumentative comeback on that?

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I have never pushed my opinion as fact either,, but certainly (not in this regard) have used anecdotal comments from people I know who have been present at certain events that have occurred over the years, some involveing Stoner and many more involving other riders or races.



What I will 'argue' (I do enjoy how when one person disagrees with another's take or takes an alternative view it argumentative because of the persons nationality)



And FWIW, I do not disagree with all you say, as Stoner is far from the nicest guy in the paddock when his race face is on but I will always argue (and have for years) that we, those that watch the sport do expect to much from our athletes and there are some who seem to feel that they own the athlete (this goes across sports by the way). I am actually not sad to see Stoner leave MGP either as an Aussie (oh ...., that word again that must be my driving force) and now I will need to decide which garage to focus the attentions and prepare to defend some other poor schmuck for whom the hordes take their instant dislike for little to no reason.



That said, you are correct there is fanaticism on this forum and has been for as long as I can recall which was fed by the polarising personality of Stoner (was a bit of Ross/Set prior) which wast he way of many forums.



You related your experience regarding one of your reasons for dislike, as had Talpa a while ago and of course personal experience will tailor one's opinion and if indeed what you say occurred thence it certainly seems poor, but not being there I cannot judge and will not. You dislike Stoner 'the person', you will not be alone there as there will be many who feel the same for a great number of reasons, me I do not dislike or like the 'personality' but hell and .... I admire the riding.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Talent over ambition. Sure he won two championships, a lot of race wins. But that is all he did. He did nothing, zero, zilch for the sport that gave him everything he has. I take that back. He constantly pissed and moaned, belittled inferior riders/teams, and completely bashed motogp. This sport gave him everything including his well being and family. And what did he give back to it? Nothing. He ruined motogp. How? He choose to ..... and complain, not realizing he had all the juice(clout). These changes that have happened over the past few years are a direct result of that. He complained about everything and he complained about the solutions. Never once giving dorna, motogp, or the media any positive feed back as to what he would like to see motogp do to stay interesting. Thats not his job you say? ........! Than who's is it? Its the riders. Its the people who play the games responsibility to keep it interesting. Starting with the man at the of the totem pole. And if that man is confused ...... up doesnt care about the sport that he is part of, than the sport will fail. He is no legend, not by a long shot. He was a great rider but contributed nothing else to this sport.



A job as a professional athlete does not end when they leave the track or field. It ends when they retire.

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Dub, FWIW probably one of your better posts of late (not that it means much being said from me) but a good commentary of what you see and why.



IMO, I disagree with much of it in the veracity as at times I do recall Stoner making suggestions but getting 'ignored' or at times when he was 'ridiculed' by fans and media for comments (some on tyres, some on safety). Again I do believe that he made a great number of attempts to get his valid (emphasis on valid as some of his issues are not valid) points across but he failed in his delivery and demeanour and thus could not articlulate in the manner that other riders could, and thus whilst he feels ignored he may well not have been understood rather than ignored.



One thing that I will agree with is that he cares little about todays MGP and therein (again, my opinion only) lay the issue as he harkers for the old days and does not realise that (refuses to acknowledge perhaps) that the sport is changing and he has/had a role to play.



Stoner is a pigheaded person and that is (I feel) his greatest downfall as it polarises many people and whilst many do not understand it, the attitude is far more common in this country than perhaps it is elsewhere.

Bsnell said:

Yes but you did respond

I ain't fishin for ...., not off an online forum thats for sure, but your obsessions with trying to convince strangers to your thinking makes me chuckle. Again, touched a nerve did I? Do you have kids? Let me know if you do, I'll come and call them ..... and slap them around a bit until they cry...I'll bet you my entire family's wealth you wouldnt be calling them a whiny kid........

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Consider this my last response to you. You're too much of a big-mouth internet .... to be bothered with. Guys like you come and go all the time. The people on this forum who are worth debating with aren't strangers. It's a group of friends. If you weren't an ignorant .... you'd have figure that out by now. Many of us have traveled together between here and Europe to attend GP races together and put up fellow Powersliders at our homes - and while some of us have strongly opposing views about different issues - we're not a bunch of faceless strangers on a website. This is a large a cogent group of friends. You on the other hand are some faceless newby .... going around insulting people you know nothing about and prattling like a 9 year-old who's learned some naughty words. Carry on.

MdubSTYLIE said:

No. He should have became a professional fisherman instead.

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Dub, you ,may have no idea on how close that could be apparently.

Keshav said:

Consider this my last response to you. You're too much of a big-mouth internet .... to be bothered with. Guys like you come and go all the time. The people on this forum who are worth debating with aren't strangers. It's a group of friends. If you weren't an ignorant .... you'd have figure that out by now. Many of us have traveled together between here and Europe to attend GP races together and put up fellow Powersliders at our homes - and while some of us have strongly opposing views about different issues - we're not a bunch of faceless strangers on a website. This is a large a cogent group of friends. You on the other hand are some faceless newby .... going around insulting people you know nothing about and prattling like a 9 year-old who's learned some naughty words. Carry on.

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Well said Kesh.

Keshav said:

Consider this my last response to you. You're too much of a big-mouth internet .... to be bothered with. Guys like you come and go all the time. The people on this forum who are worth debating with aren't strangers. It's a group of friends. If you weren't an ignorant .... you'd have figure that out by now. Many of us have traveled together between here and Europe to attend GP races together and put up fellow Powersliders at our homes - and while some of us have strongly opposing views about different issues - we're not a bunch of faceless strangers on a website. This is a large a cogent group of friends. You on the other hand are some faceless newby .... going around insulting people you know nothing about and prattling like a 9 year-old who's learned some naughty words. Carry on.

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And again you keep replying, easy to put you on a leash eh mate



Don't make me laugh, I know there are some people on here who are friends but from what i've read most are just arguing in here trying to push their own agenda. I;ve looked through threads on here and seen posters attacked to the point of personal insults. Read my early posts, I was perfectly friendly and willing to put decent input into forum posts until people like Zootalaws started digging the knife in to total strangers for an ego boost.So I decided to take the place at face value, you reap what you sow.



I see you're in NYC. I travel there occasionally so can look you up...you know, just to prove i'm not faceless.

Bsnell said:

None of your business, suffice to say its a lot.



Why not? Stoner paints us Brits all with the same brush so take it up with him first man....

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Nice to meet you too.

What, what, what?! Another argument with Kesh as a protagonist?!!

MdubSTYLIE said:

Are you kidding me? He pissed on motogp every time he opened his mouth. Including his retirement speech. This has nothing to do with my boy Vale, for gods sake I have no idea why you all always go there. This has to do with a man who came and went through motogp like a trojan virus through my computer. It went fast but it ...... .... up.







I am not going to be fished into the same old argument. This isn't about his failure to help develop a bike and has even less to do with Rossi. But ftr I have never been proved wrong about Stoners inability to help with development of a bike. But I dont want to get into that again, you will just turn it into a Vale thing as always.

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You don't like him, we get that. It is an opinion to which you are entirely entitled.



Don't pretend you would have liked him if only he had been different though. Stoner himself has said he became disillusioned with the sport when his illness in 2009 occasioned such joy among fans of your ilk (and you in particular iirc), and much of the paddock bought into the common wisdom of mental destruction, including the upper echelons of ducati and marlboro man who sought to replace him. I believe replacing him didn't work out so well.



You didn't say that stoner showed no ability to develop the ducati, you said he developed it in an adverse fashion and that a certain other rider would show up his deficiencies in this regard rapidly. On that topic, he must have developed the honda well this year because it was a lot better at the end of the year than it was at the start. His development of the ducati is not the only thing you were wrong about btw, you were completely wrong about him only winning on it because it gave him an advantage and that his loses on it were due to his lack of judgement and lack of mental strength.



The ferrousity is strong in you. A rider develops whatever attitude he may have because an element among fandom of which you are a good example hate him for no good reason and seek to discredit him at every turn, and he is supposed to apologise to you for your hatred of him? Having for years called him a one hit wonder who won only by a massive bike advantage you now contend he is squandering his talent and disrespecting fans such as you? Give me a break.

Jumkie said:

Peeps not considering him a legend are thinking about his personality not his accomplishment.

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Nope, i like his personality. It's like mine

Longevity is not a prerequisite for legendary status.

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IMO, in motor racing, it is.



There have been so many superlatives over the years in motorsport, to achieve legendary status now requires a commitment as well as some numbers. Stoner gave us some superlative rides and some numbers to ponder in awe, but, IMO he failed to achieve legendary status by leaving when he got the best ride in the paddock and the chance was there to cement his superiority.



In my mind the question will always be there - Lorenzo and Rossi on factory Yamaha's, was Stoner really better? He left before I could find out.