'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

Mick D said:

Sorry ............ you think kids are open game 'cause yer on da net YOU ARE WRONG.



Do you have kids? Let me know if you do, I'll come and call them ..... and slap them around a bit until they cry



I hope I see you in the flesh one day. I will boot .... you, ...., then let my wife slap you around 'til you cry just for fun.



Damn, first ....... I'm gonna "ignore"... Friends PM me if he says he's attending any Gps next year!

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Well from what I've seen from historical posts on here it seems to be the norm



Love you too man, see you at a race sometime.

Bsnell said:

Well from what I've seen from historical posts on here it seems to be the norm

Love you too man, see you at a race sometime.

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I love your posts you are the funniest thing this year

Bsnell said:

And again you keep replying, easy to put you on a leash eh mate

Don't make me laugh, I know there are some people on here who are friends but from what i've read most are just arguing in here trying to push their own agenda. I;ve looked through threads on here and seen posters attacked to the point of personal insults. Read my early posts, I was perfectly friendly and willing to put decent input into forum posts until people like Zootalaws started digging the knife in to total strangers for an ego boost.So I decided to take the place at face value, you reap what you sow.

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No, you were just looking for a handy excuse to be a .... to everyone. Mission accomplished, it seems.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Correct mental weakness not his talent. He rode the wheels off the ducati and then less and less each season, as his ambition to ride the duc became less and less. And then he switched to honda and Rode it hard year one and lost all ambition to ride whats so ever after that.









If smoking dope is what it will take for you to have standards at all than by all means do it. His biggest under achievements were off the track not on. He did nothing but complain. Dude just read what I have already wrote about that. We are going in circles. Although if he was so much better than them and he ended with the same amount of titles during that time period as Vale and Jorge, hen yes that would be an example of under achieving.









This is stuff every rider through out history has to deal with. Bad surfaces, .... tires, closing speeds in practice are all a part of racing. Punching people, acting as if he has superior right to the track, acting as if every question ever asked by the media was just miserable is not. He didnt get payed millions to act like a ..... Athletes must do things they dont want to sometimes, and put on a smile when they dont want to. Thats the same with practically any job. You cant go around work being a big old .... all the time or you'll get canned. I understand that this is the part of being a sport icon that he didnt want to deal with. And so he retired. We cant all be Colin Edwards and open up race schools I understand that. But a little love to the thing that help make him 20-30 mil to retire on isn't asking to much. Now excuse me I have to go run a clinic to get the youth ready for their national championships next weekend. To a sport that gave me so much mentally and spiritually but not so much financially.



Can we just bro hug and agree to disagree?

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Sure, I have arguments like this with my brother in law with whom I have a close friendship all the time as our politics are quite different, and I get particularly argumentative late at night.



The guy is truculent and intransigent, which contributed both to where he got and to people such as you not liking him when he got there.



Even if you are St Francis of Assisi I don't accept that his problems on the ducati, particularly the 2010 pig, were due to lack of ambition though. I have never said he is the best rider as a total package btw, valentino obviously and jorge are the better riders overall; he did ride about as well as anyone could ride for the 2 championship years, particularly the first one. The extreme focus his on the edge riding style required took too much toll on him to be sustainable even apart from the crashes, and I think this would still have been the case even if had a more cheerful public personality. I do believe he had as much raw speed as anyone has ever had, with the young valentino rossi and perhaps fast freddie spencer probably equivalent.

MdubSTYLIE said:

i never said he was talentless, never. I have said a lot of things but never that. The first time I have ever said "one hit wonder" was two days ago. And I said that because of his lack of ambition not talent. I also never said he owes his fans. I said he owed everyone that is part of motogp from the guy who drives trucks for dorna, the media to RDP's shoulder. Be he chose to use his clout to piss moan and be negative. I will repeat, a riders job is not done until he retires. He is done now, and this is his legacy and that is that. Real fast, very talented, but an underachiever.

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.... Mdub you are good at the same old wind up. Forget Stoner he's in the past now, worry about your boy Spies dude. Why is Spies your favourite rider? He displays all the worst characteristics you hate about Stoner. Just handed over a top ride in motogp without so much as a whimper. Should have been fighting tooth and nail for his turf. In the end thats the only way to win. Should have pissed, cried, moaned, bitten, punched randy, scratched, hair pulled, eye gouged and boot ...... Yamaha until they gave him decent equipment. Instead he just retreated with tail between legs. WTF is wrong with him? Again its not talent. Lack of ambition? Mental weakness? Mum?

Andy Roo said:

Mick, how do you "boot ...." someone, just in case I have to do it one day.

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Maybe something like this using a boot rather than a head.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51e45W0Tdk&feature=related[/url][/media]

birdman said:

.... Mdub you are good at the same old wind up. Forget Stoner he's in the past now, worry about your boy Spies dude. Why is Spies your favourite rider? He displays all the worst characteristics you hate about Stoner. Just handed over a top ride in motogp without so much as a whimper. Should have been fighting tooth and nail for his turf. In the end thats the only way to win. Should have pissed, cried, moaned, bitten, punched randy, scratched, hair pulled, eye gouged and boot ...... Yamaha until they gave him decent equipment. Instead he just retreated with tail between legs. WTF is wrong with him? a)Again its not talent. b)Lack of ambition? c)Mental weakness? d)Mum?

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I will take a mild case of c. And a career threatening case of d. for a 1,000.



Different situation. Ben gave it his all, probably pushed to hard. Who knows maybe he can ride the ducati. Ben hasn't given up yet.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I will take a mild case of c. And a career threatening case of d. for a 1,000.



Different situation. Ben gave it his all, probably pushed to hard. Who knows maybe he can ride the ducati. Ben hasn't given up yet.

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Stoner drew power by pissing and moaning, the bitterness made him stronger but could only last for a while. It eventually killed him metaphorically speaking.



Now Spies, he aint no Rossi. Perhaps like Stoner, he needs to find what lights the fire under his ... and get moving. Sooner rather than later, I like him and would enjoy it a lot if he became successful just to screw with DORNA. Imagine the post race Spies celebrations! Would he manage to crack a smile? I dig the introverts.

Bsnell, Not cool dude. Seems a very strange post for u. Maybe i just hadnt paid better attention. I've never genuinely dislike somebody based on their post until Zootlaws did similar to u. Hope u dont take his route and dig in rather than reconsider to think better of ur post. I think it'd be good idea to edit & retract, no shame in doing so. U'd be better for it, plus Its simply the right thing to do.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I will take a mild case of c. And a career threatening case of d. for a 1,000.



Different situation. Ben gave it his all, probably pushed to hard. Who knows maybe he can ride the ducati. Ben hasn't given up yet.

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How can you tell?

Keshav said:

How can you tell?

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Him signing with pramac is a sign. But I guess next year will be more telling.

birdman said:

Stoner drew power by pissing and moaning, the bitterness made him stronger but could only last for a while. It eventually killed him metaphorically speaking.



Now Spies, he aint no Rossi. Perhaps like Stoner, he needs to find what lights the fire under his ... and get moving. Sooner rather than later, I like him and would enjoy it a lot if he became successful just to screw with DORNA. Imagine the post race Spies celebrations! Would he manage to crack a smile? I dig the introverts.

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I think your right about Stoner. Spies, he is a tough one to read. To me he has the .... it attitude. He's real laid back with this very dry sense of humor. I think the fire is there, but he rides better chill.



He needs to chill more like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YwGbZmdQi9I

MdubSTYLIE said:

Him signing with pramac is a sign. But I guess next year will be more telling.

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With all due respect.... (only you can say how much that is) his signing with them

only says to me he's addicted to the GP circus, the money and the ......

I watched his season in WSBK on the edge of my seat and loved every minute of

it and have been a big admirer. I wear one of his #11 hats all the time and even

got a Spies T-Shirt for my wife to wear last time at Laguna - but just don't know...

How much of his decline can be contributed to bad luck and how much of it

has to do with Spies not being sufficiently pro-active in making sure he has

a qualified crew; not to mention keeping after Yamaha to be more proactive

in the quality control (or whatever) of the equipment they gave him. He really

has seemed this last season to have lost the fire. Pramac will write him a nice

check - but going back to WSBK would have meant proving he can still be

competitive. On the Ducati - he can always blame it on the bike.

Keshav said:

With all due respect.... (only you can say how much that is) his signing with them

only says to me he's addicted to the GP circus, the money and the ......

I watched his season in WSBK on the edge of my seat and loved every minute of

it and have been a big admirer. I wear one of his #11 hats all the time and even

got a Spies T-Shirt for my wife to wear last time at Laguna - but just don't know...

How much of his decline can be contributed to bad luck and how much of it

has to do with Spies not being sufficiently pro-active in making sure he has

a qualified crew; not to mention keeping after Yamaha to be more proactive

in the quality control (or whatever) of the equipment they gave him. He really

has seemed this last season to have lost the fire. Pramac will write him a nice

check - but going back to WSBK would have meant proving he can still be

competitive. On the Ducati - he can always blame it on the bike.

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I would say you summed it up well.

Bsnell said:

He may be a legend but he's still a miserable .......

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I think Bsnell that you’re the “miserable .......” but then again these are typical comments that have made motogp such a bitchy and untenable sport to follow. What the .... do you want him to be and do? He’s a racer and that was his #1 priority no fanfare and circus…and that is why he got out because motogp is becoming nothing more than a personality gig and is governed by Dorna that wants all riders to be Spaniards GTF out and give credit where its due and don’t judge riders by their personality!

Jumkie said:

Bsnell, Not cool dude. Seems a very strange post for u. Maybe i just hadnt paid better attention. I've never genuinely dislike somebody based on their post until Zootlaws did similar to u. Hope u dont take his route and dig in rather than reconsider to think better of ur post. I think it'd be good idea to edit & retract, no shame in doing so. U'd be better for it, plus Its simply the right thing to do.

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Was taken out of context, ok maybe the wording was ..... but my point was whatever poster said "Who gives a .... if he ignored some kids and upset them" wouldn't feel that way if it was their kids would they? So no its not my problem if he doesnt agree.

Scotty said:

I think Bsnell that you’re the “miserable .......” but then again these are typical comments that have made motogp such a bitchy and untenable sport to follow. What the .... do you want him to be and do? He’s a racer and that was his #1 priority no fanfare and circus…and that is why he got out because motogp is becoming nothing more than a personality gig and is governed by Dorna that wants all riders to be Spaniards GTF out and give credit where its due and don’t judge riders by their personality!

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No you're the miserable ....... If you want to be a fireman you have to accept you mayget burned, if you want to be a professional racer you have to accept the corporate side.



Anyway I have my opinion and you have yours so I wont be entertaining this thread no more..

Jumkie said:

Bsnell, Not cool dude. Seems a very strange post for u.

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You think? I've looked back quite a ways on here and he has been a total cuntwipe since his first post.



I don't know why you thought the 'fourstroke' thread was the problem of hte other guy, from what I read BS artist got his panties in a bunch because he was asked to sustain an assertion, then just attacked him personally insted of answring the question.



You need to go back and read it again.



I don't give a .... about either of them, if I could work out how 'ignore' worked, there's a bunch of people on here that would qualify



(not you, you drunken ....... those other dicks )

Takes one to know one BJC, you whiny little .....



I'm not a BS artist, I just don't need to justify my skills and knowledge to a bunch of no names on the internet. I heard rumours about this place which is why I watched for a while then joined, just to have a bit of fun teasing the ....... on here but now i'm bored



And as for boot ....... me at a race? Yeah i'd like to see someone try that.

Bsnell,



This is normally a congenial and polite forum, we all disagree, however the quality of posts from people like Lex, Arab and Geo and even Zoot (dammit) are reasoned and certainly contained to the extent no one says anything about kids or steps over that line.



Zoot drives me mad but I would have a beer with the guy any day of the week.



I understand that Roger left here because somebody said something about his kids and he is a very original 21,000 post member. I am not privy to the incident or the posts as I have been on and off the forum after a significant motorcycle crash.



I believe Jum said no shame in retracting and apologising, I have read some of your posts and some of them are quite good, however this is a forum where a lot of us know each others "real names" and many have visited others from other countries. I know that in 2016 when I will be in South and then North America I am going to occupy many a lounge for a night in exchange for a pizza and beer shout.



I will also play the guitar (badly)



Some of those lounges may even belong to Valentino Rossi fans. Yes, even that great a sin is nor real cause for venom, vitriol, violence and barely veiled threats of child abuse.



Really, we are a bunch of no names on the net, but conversely on the net we are all secret presidents of the illuminati Masons, and we are 7 foot tall, handsome and have group ... with supermodels.



There has been a lot of tough talk and Lyria has mentioned her polar bear is heating up she is so impressed (I don't do metaphors so well, Lyria will explain), suffice to say any man who wants to Internet fight everyone and assault children is quite a turn on and a catch. I imagine your precis on a dating site must garner some attention.



I don't understand why it happened and nor do I wish to, right now I don't understand why it is continuing. Surely , given our lowly status as complete nobodies you could be magnanimous and cut us some slack and put a peaceful end to it. It isn't that sort of group.

I will .... all your children.