'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

Andy Roo said:

Bsnell,



This is normally a congenial and polite forum, we all disagree, however the quality of posts from people like Lex, Arab and Geo and even Zoot (dammit) are reasoned and certainly contained to the extent no one says anything about kids or steps over that line.



Zoot drives me mad but I would have a beer with the guy any day of the week.



I understand that Roger left here because somebody said something about his kids and he is a very original 21,000 post member. I am not privy to the incident or the posts as I have been on and off the forum after a significant motorcycle crash.

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Andy, the ironic thing is that one of the four reasoned posters you mentioned drove Rog away with precisely what you stated they didn't do.



Family/kids shouldn't be brought into disputes on the forum. Even if you or I or anyone can't stand the other person on the forum, what the hell did that person's family do to deserve abuse. It also guarantees that the forum member has to respond in a different way to what they normally would, because that line has been crossed.

woody996 said:

Andy, the ironic thing is that one of the four reasoned posters you mentioned drove Rog away with precisely what you stated they didn't do.



Family/kids shouldn't be brought into disputes on the forum. Even if you or I or anyone can't stand the other person on the forum, what the hell did that person's family do to deserve abuse. It also guarantees that the forum member has to respond in a different way to what they normally would, because that line has been crossed.

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woody996 said:

Andy, the ironic thing is that one of the four reasoned posters you mentioned drove Rog away with precisely what you stated they didn't do.



Family/kids shouldn't be brought into disputes on the forum. Even if you or I or anyone can't stand the other person on the forum, what the hell did that person's family do to deserve abuse. It also guarantees that the forum member has to respond in a different way to what they normally would, because that line has been crossed.

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I've not seen or can't remember the thread, only seen and felt the reverberations kicking around from it. Totally agree on the family kids thing, although if someone wants to rag on my ex wife (lady Voldamort) feel free but saying stuff about a mans (or womans - you are included Gill) kids is .....



I have to find this thread. I thought I picked the 4 post least likely to bring kids into it.

If anyone wants to beat my kids, have at it. You would need to on your game, though - they can all kick my .... A childhood spent doing tae-kwon-do will do that to a person

If I had children I would let you all .... them. For a fee of course.

Only if your wife was Thai or Chinese... I'm not interested in fat milk/corn fed kiddies.

Bsnell said:

Was taken out of context, ok maybe the wording was ..... but my point was whatever poster said "Who gives a .... if he ignored some kids and upset them" wouldn't feel that way if it was their kids would they? So no its not my problem if he doesnt agree.







No you're the miserable .......

If you want to be a fireman you have to accept you mayget burned, if you want to be a professional racer you have to accept the corporate side.



Anyway I have my opinion and you have yours so I wont be entertaining this thread no more..

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Woe is me.

woody996 said:

Andy, the ironic thing is that one of the four reasoned posters you mentioned drove Rog away with precisely what you stated they didn't do.



Family/kids shouldn't be brought into disputes on the forum. Even if you or I or anyone can't stand the other person on the forum, what the hell did that person's family do to deserve abuse. It also guarantees that the forum member has to respond in a different way to what they normally would, because that line has been crossed.

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For the record: What was said to Roger was not about his kids.

It was about his parenting skills, and the possibie of the results thereof.

And - this is important... it was said in a PM. It was not written

where the public could view it. Roger dishonestly tried to rationalize,

in drama-queen fashion, that this gave him license for inexcusably unethical behavior

and his mates wouldn't support his ........ and he couldn't handle it.

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Also... he thought there were too many Australians on the forum. That said;

I take no pleasure in the fact of his absence. He and I were in accord on many

important social issues and he could be a great friend...





As long as you didn't have an opinion different than his.

Keshav said:

For the record: What was said to Roger was not about his kids.

It was about his parenting skills, and the possibie of the results thereof.

And - this is important... it was said in a PM. It was not written

where the public could view it. Roger dishonestly tried to rationalize,

in drama-queen fashion, that this gave him license for inexcusably unethical behavior

and his mates wouldn't support his ........ and he couldn't handle it.

.

.

,

,

Also... he thought there were too many Australians on the forum. That said;

I take no pleasure in the fact of his absence. He and I were in accord on many

important social issues and he could be a great friend...





As long as you didn't have an opinion different than his.

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Kesh, I wasn't referring to the same thing you are. Yes there were other things going on at the time which (rightly) weren't posted on the forum but I wasn't referring to those.

Keshav said:

For the record: What was said to Roger was not about his kids.

It was about his parenting skills, and the possibie of the results thereof.

And - this is important... it was said in a PM. It was not written

where the public could view it. Roger dishonestly tried to rationalize,

in drama-queen fashion, that this gave him license for inexcusably unethical behavior

and his mates wouldn't support his ........ and he couldn't handle it.

.

.

,

,

Also... he thought there were too many Australians on the forum. That said;

I take no pleasure in the fact of his absence. He and I were in accord on many

important social issues and he could be a great friend...



As long as you didn't have an opinion different than his.

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Poor Cujo Chopper went rabid, snapping and lashing out at all around, then lost heart and supposedly crawled off to die.



But.... no one ever found a body.



Rumour has it, he made a miraculous recovery and is now lurking in the PS hedges, waiting patiently for the right moment to return.

Others whisper that he's gone botox, assumed a new identity, and now walks among us unknown.

(If so, he must have taken spelling lessons to aid his disguise. )



Jumkie? Anyone? What's the word?

Itz nowt mee. Honnist.

Keshav said:

For the record: What was said to Roger was not about his kids.

It was about his parenting skills, and the possibie of the results thereof.

And - this is important... it was said in a PM. It was not written

where the public could view it. Roger dishonestly tried to rationalize,

in drama-queen fashion, that this gave him license for inexcusably unethical behavior

and his mates wouldn't support his ........ and he couldn't handle it.

.

.

,

,

Also... he thought there were too many Australians on the forum. That said;

I take no pleasure in the fact of his absence. He and I were in accord on many

important social issues and he could be a great friend...





As long as you didn't have an opinion different than his.

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It's well known that Roger hates Aussies. After reading that BarryMachine thread yesterday I see why I haven't bothered coming here for most of the year. A bunch of school kids picking on one guy and degenerating into the most appalling thread I think I've read on any forum of any description. For a bunch of guys who think they're all good mates it truly was schoolboy behaviour/bullying at its worst.

Being relatively new and reading a bunch of the threads from this year, it seems that is the way things operate here.



You need to fight to be heard and don't upset the old guard or you will end up being slagged for every post.



No slack cut.

Keshav said:

For the record: What was said to Roger was not about his kids.

It was about his parenting skills, and the possibie of the results thereof.

And - this is important... it was said in a PM. It was not written

where the public could view it. Roger dishonestly tried to rationalize,

in drama-queen fashion, that this gave him license for inexcusably unethical behavior

and his mates wouldn't support his ........ and he couldn't handle it.

.

.

,

,

Also... he thought there were too many Australians on the forum. That said;

I take no pleasure in the fact of his absence. He and I were in accord on many

important social issues and he could be a great friend...





As long as you didn't have an opinion different than his.

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You have kids?

BJ.C said:

Being relatively new and reading a bunch of the threads from this year, it seems that is the way things operate here.



You need to fight to be heard and don't upset the old guard or you will end up being slagged for every post.



No slack cut.

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You aren't the old guard but you behave the same way



In my time here I've seen little proper debating, more slagging off and just shouting louder if people don't agree with your side, its like a religious fanatics forum. I wouldnt be suprised if some of you started a "Branch Stoner/Rossi-idians" soon and organaised pshychotic burning down of your hallowed compound...

BJ.C said:

Being relatively new and reading a bunch of the threads from this year, it seems that is the way things operate here.



You need to fight to be heard and don't upset the old guard or you will end up being slagged for every post.



No slack cut.

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I've been here for three years. It's pretty much been this way since I joined although it seems the ante has been upped this year.



Say whatever you want, just be prepared to back it up, don't expect to change any minds, pay attention to who is saying what so that you can make up your mind before even reading the post and make sure you have a sense of humor.

Geonerd said:

Poor Cujo Chopper went rabid, snapping and lashing out at all around, then lost heart and supposedly crawled off to die.



But.... no one ever found a body.



Rumour has it, he made a miraculous recovery and is now lurking in the PS hedges, waiting patiently for the right moment to return.

Others whisper that he's gone botox, assumed a new identity, and now walks among us unknown.

(If so, he must have taken spelling lessons to aid his disguise.

)



Jumkie? Anyone? What's the word?

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I keep in contact with the guy on Facebook. Rog is Rog, he's a character. Thing got out of hand here, I'm don't know what was said off the boards, and to be honest, I'm not really interested. I don't like it when stuff gets personal on here, I've enjoyed beer and races with Rog, and a good few others from here. Like I say we keep in touch and the banter is good and I hope it would be the same with anyone on here.



By the way I don't hate Australians, just Casey.



Peace oot!

povol said:

You have kids?

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I'm taking the 5th on this one.

Keshav said:

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I'm taking the 5th on this one.

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I had left this thread, but this drew me back in.



Kesh, why are you pleading the 5th? It seems to me if you admit publicly on the forum you PMed Rog to question his parenting skills (which is mind-boggling to me enough, as I cannot even imagine what the hell you would have taken issue or saw fit to judge), it would be a valid question to know if you have any of your own, as you can imagine where its going. I much preferred all this ........ be hashed out in private, but if you're going to insist on clarifying the "record", then clarify it!! For the record, I think Rog's parenting skills are excellent! I've mentioned this on the forum, certainly I have stated his family is above reproach. I spent time camping with them and hosted them in my home, and they hosted me in theirs, and I can honestly say I hope my kids turn out like them! This is probably the greatest compliment a parent can bestow on another, that is, wishing their own kids turn out to be just as good. They are respectful, well-behaved, clever, well spoken, honest, well provided for, appreciative, and I never heard them once complain about anything (when they had good reason to as much of the time it was the adults having the fun while the kids had to endure our .....). Rog treated them as a good parent would, kindly, respectfully, in want for nothing (they were on a vacation of a lifetime no less, with special attention that after our little fun at the race, the rest of the time was dedicated to family fun) and all the rest of it, etc. I've seen how they interact with me and with others, and at no time did I see one childhood like flaw. I can't even say that about my own kids, who sometimes nag and complain and can be ungrateful. Rog kids are stellar! If that is not from having good parents, then I don't know .... about anything.

basspete said:

I keep in contact with the guy on Facebook. Rog is Rog, he's a character. Thing got out of hand here, I'm don't know what was said off the boards, and to be honest, I'm not really interested. I don't like it when stuff gets personal on here, I've enjoyed beer and races with Rog, and a good few others from here. Like I say we keep in touch and the banter is good and I hope it would be the same with anyone on here.



By the way I don't hate Australians, just Casey.



Peace oot!

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Personal remarks about people's families are beyond the pale no doubt, here or anywhere. I think the eventual remark which led to roger's departure whilst not edifying was not quite as personal as roger took it to be, as the perpetrator was a new poster who possibly was not aware that roger had posted pictures of his family in the past.



We had our differences but I miss his participation, he was a genuine and passionate fan and quite often exhibited a sense of humour.