Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 24 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry is senile
Curve likes ham



Fixed it for ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm fixed


Fixed it for ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 24 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fixed it for ya

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i know.

me to

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 24 2008, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The first thing that suprised me was how quick and easy he picked it up, we've seen other riders including Pedrosa struggle to get the bike back up.

That's directly proportional to the amount of adrenhalin generated isn't it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and I have been watchig longer than you have been alive
And I've met people one the road that have had the license for 50 years and still drive worse than the 17year old boy next to me.
For some reason I can easily imagine you as one of those.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 25 2008, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And I've met people one the road that have had the license for 50 years and still drive worse than the 17year old boy next to me.
For some reason I can easily imagine you as one of those.

Yeah but your a ...... .... so no skin off my nose

You are a Glans, Babel

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4032:retards2.jpg]
Bro you have to stop posting pics of your family. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 25 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah but your a ...... ....

Well, you know, it takes one to know one.

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It's funny given A. the success of the race, and B. the hugely positive reaction by the fans over this race, that Rossi hasn't ridden like this sooner. He didn't win because Yamaha "pulled out something new" or finessed some little adjustment. You have to wonder, why Rossi has kept all this cowboy .... on the shelf for so long? . . . and, Can he do it again? Remember, we've seen Rossi throw it away plenty times, when the racing wasn't nearly as intense. He's not going to be able to do that for the rest of the season. And besides . . . Stoner's coat has been pulled.

Also . . . as a former racer, I can tell you that being that full of adrenalin - pulling to a dead halt in a ....... <u>gravel pit</u>, is a mind-blowing transition, and it's no shame that the bike went over. More importantly, getting the bike upright, tank empty or not, in a morass of gravel, in 90 degrees farenheit, dehydrated as ...., in a leather suit and helmet is a serious feat. No ....! Much harder by far than doing it on the grass or on pavement. I get get sunstroke just thinking about it.

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Riding on Ball bearings it looked more like

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 25 2008, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's funny given A. the success of the race, and B. the hugely positive reaction by the fans over this race, that Rossi hasn't ridden like this sooner. He didn't win because Yamaha "pulled out something new" or finessed some little adjustment. You have to wonder, why Rossi has kept all this cowboy .... on the shelf for how long? . . . and, Can he do it again?The track probably had something to do with it, as did him having a setup that could keep up with Stoner for most of the circuit but didn't give him the pace to pull any sort of significant gap. He didn't have the pace to pull away, but Stoner possibly did if given the chance to lead for a lap or 2. On a track that's tough to pass on, that probably made him push a fair bit harder to make passes when at all possible and get in front to keep Stoner from pulling a gap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 25 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's funny given A. the success of the race, and B. the hugely positive reaction by the fans over this race, that Rossi hasn't ridden like this sooner. He didn't win because Yamaha "pulled out something new" or finessed some little adjustment. You have to wonder, why Rossi has kept all this cowboy .... on the shelf for how long? . . . and, Can he do it again? Remember, we've seen Rossi throw it away plenty times, when the racing wasn't nearly as intense. He's not going to be able to do that for the rest of the season. And besides . . . Stoner's coat has been pulled.

Rossi's qualifying position up until now had been a bit flakey... by the time he maybe got up to second, Stoner aka. the CPU was gone.

Oh, and I forgot . . . I know one of the commentors mentioned it - but don't recall seeing any comment here, about the fact that Rossi pulled this all off at track where he's never won (is that right?) before. All in all - a flukey (no less impressive because of it) performance that he won't be able to repeat at the faster tracks. I gotta say, if the Stoner and Rossi continue with this battle of the titan .... - Pedro will probably hang back hoping for a crash. I can't see him getting between these two. Stoner may get red in the face and look like Howdy Doody, but he's the only one out there with the balls for this kind of give and take with Rossi, and anyone who says different is just a big-mouthed dilletante, who's never actually been on the non-spectator side of the pit wall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 25 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's funny given A. the success of the race, and B. the hugely positive reaction by the fans over this race, that Rossi hasn't ridden like this sooner. He didn't win because Yamaha "pulled out something new" or finessed some little adjustment. You have to wonder, why Rossi has kept all this cowboy .... on the shelf for how long? . . . and, Can he do it again? Remember, we've seen Rossi throw it away plenty times, when the racing wasn't nearly as intense. He's not going to be able to do that for the rest of the season. And besides . . . Stoner's coat has been pulled.
Well, as allready said, it's got a lot about the track and probably a close to perfect setup that gave him all that confidence. Valencia is a fairly tight track, it's a candidate. Both Brno and the Island is possible but they both give Stoner a head start in the uphill straights. It will depend on a lot of factors if it will happen again, and one thing is very clear, Stoner will do anything to get away from a fight like that, anything but sitting behind that is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Also . . . as a former racer, I can tell you that being that full of adrenalin - pulling to a dead halt in a ....... <u>gravel pit</u>, is a mind-blowing transition, and it's no shame that the bike went over. More importantly, getting the bike upright, tank empty or not, in a morass of gravel, in 90 degrees farenheit, dehydrated as ...., in a leather suit and helmet is a serious feat. No ....! Much harder by far than doing it on the grass or on pavement. I get get sunstroke just thinking about it.
I agree that it is no small feat, but look again and you will see that he was standing on solid ground when he started lifting, the part that is hard closest to the track and probably LC's equivalent to astro turf, while the bike were in the softer gravel. Little fuel and a bike that digged down in the gravel as the wight transfer to the tires shold help a lot.
But adrenalin helps, if lifted the front of a VTR out from 15 cm deep down in gravel and up at least 25 cm up on the grass in a race. Not something I would have been able to do without the adrenaline.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 25 2008, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner may get red in the face and look like Howdy Doody, but he's the only one out there with the balls for this kind of give and take with Rossi, and anyone who says different is just a big-mouthed dilletante, who's never actually been on the non-spectator side of the pit wall.

........, I can think of a few riders that love some paint swaping, and have much more fun at it than Stoner obviously have, but non of them are close to the pace of Rossi and Stoner so it's not going to happen. ( and I've been on the right side og the pit wall )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 25 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........, I can think of a few riders that love some paint swaping, and have much more fun at it than Stoner obviously have, but non of them are close to the pace of Rossi and Stoner so it's not going to happen. ( and I've been on the right side og the pit wall )

"Paint Swapping" . . . a Boy Wonder, expression used by moto-journalists and the fans who read them. Real racers don't ever intentionally smack up against another rider at 120 MPH. It happens in the passion of the moment. Folks may look back later and speak of the event colorfully when they're in a story-telling mode, but nobody, but a psychotic does it intentionally. When did you race? With what club or organization? Racing is not about Big Balls. It's much more of an intellectual process than the fans will ever realize. It's about racing smarts, and finesse. Talk to real racers and they will tell you that it's 98% the mental process and 2% physical fitness. Read the serious interviews with guys like Roberts and Spencer who always were so dispassionate in their post race interviews. Bet if you really got to know Rossi, you'd find that the frat boy behavior is for the sake of the cameras; he's showman. But when he's racing, I guarantee he's not making google eyes and laughing like a loon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 26 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Paint Swapping" . . . a Boy Wonder, expression used by moto-journalists and the fans who read them. Real racers don't ever intentionally smack up against another rider at 120 MPH. It happens in the passion of the moment. Folks may look back later and speak of the event colorfully when they're in a story-telling mode, but nobody, but a psychotic does it intentionally. When did you race? With what club or organization? Racing is not about Big Balls. It's much more of an intellectual process than the fans will ever realize. It's about racing smarts, and finesse. Talk to real racers and they will tell you that it's 98% the mental process and 2% physical fitness. Read the serious interviews with guys like Roberts and Spencer who always were so dispassionate in their post race interviews. Bet if you really got to know Rossi, you'd find that the frat boy behavior is for the sake of the cameras; he's showman. But when he's racing, I guarantee he's not making google eyes and laughing like a loon.
So, what do YOU want to call it, paint swaping or what ever, who the .... cares. The likes of Capirossi enjoys a close fight with Rossi, Stoner doesn't. That was my point. You said no one else would take the fight with Rossi and that's still .........
Touching happens in the heat of the moment, true, but it sure is intentional from time to time, nothing psycotic in that, at least not where I come from. Sure, it depends on the situation and not at 120 mph but it sure happens and some enjoy it even as the reciver. So where ever you come from maybe it's about time to stop reading those interviews and watch what happens out there right now, or even do it your self.
And I have problems to see why you bring the paint swapping in at all. The only one touching anyone where stoner as he went on the outside of Rossi.