Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 27 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mayhaps there's some confusion here. I was responding the "Go watch golf" rejoinder. I've gotten really tired of all the goonsmack WWF wrestling mentality that some fans bring to this sport. Moto GP is the king of racing and it really is elite stuff; ballsy yes - but really refined compared to other forms of racing. There's a lot of folks on this forum who really would do better going to watch the antics at a dirt oval. That's where the real cowboys are. Much more about balls than brains. Actually, it's a shame there aren't regular broadcasts of dirt track races.


I cant even take you seriously after that post ... get a grip woman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 27 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I cant even take you seriously after that post ... get a grip woman

That's cool. There are only three or four people on this forum whose opinion I give a .... about - and you ain't one of them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 27 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's cool. There are only three or four people on this forum whose opinion I give a .... about - and you ain't one of them.


She bites

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 27 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So what's the story behind that then?


Oh and I would have thought security would have kept you, who wanted to bop him one, a minimum of 5 miles from Stoner at all times .......
im going to let jumkie tell that story as he has the photo to prove it. and it was outside the track we met.

I watched the race again and I must say that although Rossi was aggressive he was not dangersou or trying to wreck Stoner at all. On the contrary on more than one occasion the straight uphill before the corkscrew Casey actually leaned into Rossi to make him go wide on more than one occasion. In my opinion Casey had the faster bike but lost to the better racer. When we go to tracks that favor Casey's top end advantage Rossi will not be able to hold him back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 27 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> She bites

Owww! You've cut me to the quick with your rapier wit. Yep, that was some kind of eloquent rejoinder. If there was something in particular you disagreed with you might have specified what it was. But I guess that would require tagging together more than two concepts at a time. Wouldn't want to overtax yourself. Your grog shop, attempts to insult by implying femininity or calling someone smarter than you, a girl, was the height of snappy humor, 35 years ago when I was in junior high school. But nowadays it's just pathetic and dated. But that's what we've come to expect from a place where everything is at a minimum, 5 hours behind the times.

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DIE THREAD, DIE!!!!!!!!

In a post race interview Schwantz was asked his take on the question of Rossi's "rough racing" and clearly not wanting to show favoritism (and not wanting to be too specific) Schwantz said, "Well, he didn't knock him down."

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DIE THREAD, DIE!!!!!!!!




Wishful thinking, this is going to be the main topic for the next 2 wks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 27 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In a post race interview Schwantz was asked his take on the question of Rossi's "rough racing" and clearly not wanting to show favoritism (and not wanting to be too specific) Schwantz said, "Well, he didn't knock him down."


Have you actually read?? or seen the actual interview.. Schwantz was rather praisful of rossi, that comment was not in anyway shape or form a dig at rossi, it wasnt even in the slightest sarcastic tone.. Christ are you seriously oblivious to whats actually going on. Perhaps you missed this quote " He really needed to push casey and frustrate him, and see if he could make him make a mistake. To me thats why i think it says doctor on the back of his leathers.... You dont get five world championships by being the guy that lays down and plays dead".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 27 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not talking about "close racing". I am talking about racing out of control and making contact with another rider. Yes - racing is supposed to be risky - but despite what all the bloodlust fans want to think - it's not a contact sport. Everyone in the sport accepts that unintentional contact occurs - but it is never acceptable to consciously initiate contact. It's Grand Prix racing - not a demolition derby.

And your problem is???????

I was NEVER talking about racing out of control. That's your thing, going balistic when I mention paint swaping. An occational touch when two or three are fighting for the win happen more often than not. And it can happen without anyone being out of control. Just like it happened in this race when Stoner went on the outside before the cork screw. Some enjoy those fights some doesn't. That's the facts, no matter how disgusting you think it is.

You said no one but Stoner could fight like that with Rossi, and it's still ......... Give Capirossi the possibility to get on arm length distance and he'll take that fight any day and he will do it with a smile on his mouth. So will Elias and Melandri. But I'm sure that's hard to belive for a guy that rode those rubber cows with no chassi and too much power, while others tried to flip your kill switch. Racing to day really isn't much the same as in those days, for better or worse.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 27 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you actually read?? or seen the actual interview.. Schwantz was rather praisful of rossi, that comment was not in anyway shape or form a dig at rossi, it wasnt even in the slightest sarcastic tone.. Christ are you seriously oblivious to whats actually going on. Perhaps you missed this quote " He really needed to push casey and frustrate him, and see if he could make him make a mistake. To me thats why i think it says doctor on the back of his leathers.... You dont get five world championships by being the guy that lays down and plays dead".


Yes I read the interview. I saw good old American style good-natured sarcasm and you didn't. You obviously think that Schwantz is totally one-dimensional and incapable of having diverse opinions on different aspects of the interview. He made a veiled response to one question, and praised Rossi for the remainder of the questions. It's not as black and white as you'd like to believe. Let's you and I not have a pissing match over every little thing. This kind of .... is boring to me and everyone else here. Clearly you have a lot of misdirected rage and don't know where else you can safely dump it without getting a fat lip - so you use the forum like cheap therapy. Maybe you need to lay off the steroids, take a chill pill, whatever . . .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 28 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes I read the interview. You obviously think that Schwantz is totally one-dimensional and incapable of have diverse opinions on different aspects of the interview. He made a veiled response to one question, and praised Rossi for the remainder of the questions. It's not as black and white as you'd like to believe. Let's you and I not have a pissing match over every little thing. This kind of .... is boring to me and everyone else here. Clearly you have a lot of misdirected rage and don't know where else you can safely dump it without getting a fat lip - so you use the forum like cheap therapy. Maybe you need to lay off the steroids, take a chill pill, whatever . . .

No pissing matches, just simplyling replying to your posts. I wouldnt worry, im getting rather tired of them now anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 28 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Clearly you have a lot of misdirected rage and don't know where else you can safely dump it without getting a fat lip - so you use the forum like cheap therapy. Maybe you need to lay off the steroids, take a chill pill, whatever . . .

Now now... no need for childish banter....



Poop face !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 28 2008, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And your problem is???????

I was NEVER talking about racing out of control. That's your thing, going balistic when I mention paint swaping. An occational touch when two or three are fighting for the win happen more often than not. And it can happen without anyone being out of control. Just like it happened in this race when Stoner went on the outside before the cork screw. Some enjoy those fights some doesn't. That's the facts, no matter how disgusting you think it is.

You said no one but Stoner could fight like that with Rossi, and it's still ......... Give Capirossi the possibility to get on arm length distance and he'll take that fight any day and he will do it with a smile on his mouth. So will Elias and Melandri. But I'm sure that's hard to belive for a guy that rode those rubber cows with no chassi and too much power, while others tried to flip your kill switch. Racing to day really isn't much the same as in those days, for better or worse.


Nobody went ballistic. You're reading too much into what I said. I never said I had a problem with fierce competition. Only when a rider's aggressiveness causes him to lose control and unessesarily endanger another rider. I didn't say that nobody was capable so much as nobody in these last two seasons has demonstrated the capacity. Forget about Capirossi and "what if" . . . I'm not interested in speculative fiction. As far as the "Rubber Cows" . . . in my time my preferred ride was a TZ250 and they were great bikes. I still have my little race-prepped FZR400 with the aluminium frame and can go to a track day any weekend at Loudon and ride circles around the frat boys on modern 600s. Rubber Cow . . . ? Yeah . . . I don't think so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 28 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No pissing matches, just simplyling replying to your posts. I wouldnt worry, im getting rather tired of them now anyway.



Now now... no need for childish banter....



Poop face !

Laugh it up Tea Bag. In the meantime if you ever want to have an actual dialog, minus the emoticons and the saccharine attempts at humor - you know where to find me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 28 2008, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And your problem is???????

I was NEVER talking about racing out of control. That's your thing, going balistic when I mention paint swaping. An occational touch when two or three are fighting for the win happen more often than not. And it can happen without anyone being out of control. Just like it happened in this race when Stoner went on the outside before the cork screw. Some enjoy those fights some doesn't. That's the facts, no matter how disgusting you think it is.

You said no one but Stoner could fight like that with Rossi, and it's still ......... Give Capirossi the possibility to get on arm length distance and he'll take that fight any day and he will do it with a smile on his mouth. So will Elias and Melandri. But I'm sure that's hard to belive for a guy that rode those rubber cows with no chassi and too much power, while others tried to flip your kill switch. Racing to day really isn't much the same as in those days, for better or worse.
Didn't you hear, Keshav is a racing legend, he knows everything.

rossi. rode the wheels of his bike and clearly enjoyed every second of it

stoner. rode a brilliant race but didn't go the way he thought it would ( was rossi sandbagging during quali ? ) stoner was 1 sec faster .

vermy. i new he would do well here, he just loves the place.

malandri. what a shame, was doing ok until he ran off.

lorenzo. i just cant understand why its just him getting 500 style highsides. i shook his hand on the saturday and jumkie reckons i jinxed him. hope not cos i really like this lad.

pedro. .... him, what a .....

hayden, disappointing but respectable.

dovi, even tho michilin bought the wrong tyres dovi still was competitive.

ce 2. miserable ride, wrong tyres i guess.

toseland, disappointed, beaten by spies

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 29 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi. rode the wheels of his bike and clearly enjoyed every second of it

stoner. rode a brilliant race but didn't go the way he thought it would ( was rossi sandbagging during quali ? ) stoner was 1 sec faster .
As far as the sandbagging I think it was a bit of both; I think they did have a plan all along to lull stoner into a false sense of security, but I also think they continue to find pace when setting up the yamaha on the bridgestones at each new track even as late as between the warm-up and the race.

I actually don't think casey will suffer any psychological damage as some have suggested, but his experience at laguna may lead to him pushing even harder in the early laps of future races, with the potential for error this brings. Casey's championship hopes cannot survive any further low point finishes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 29 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as the sandbagging I think it was a bit of both; I think they did have a plan all along to lull stoner into a false sense of security, but I also think they continue to find pace when setting up the yamaha on the bridgestones at each new track even as late as between the warm-up and the race.

I actually don't think casey will suffer any psychological damage as some have suggested, but his experience at laguna may lead to him pushing even harder in the early laps of future races, with the potential for error this brings. Casey's championship hopes cannot survive any further low point finishes.

Good analysis
Both Rossi and Stoner could use some help, if they only had fast enough teammates.

On Stoner picking up his bike -

IF Stoner had a carbon fiber chasis it would be much easier to lift than the steel framed chasis

Just a thought.