Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 23 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was impressive ..... but what showed me he was still going to give it a serious go was the way he walked the thing out of the gravel and on the fly mounted it and got going as smooth as.


I think the fact he was pissed gave him the strength to lift the bike so well.

Again if you compared it to Rossi's Assen crash where he had to get help to lift it, I think the difference was the emotional mindset of the rider at the time.

Assen ...... Rossi was more feeling a bit sheepish after both mesing up so early as well as taking out an innocent ( well as innocent as De Puniet can ever be declared ). Feeling sheepish tends to mess up your coordination as well as your muscle power.

Laguna ... Stoner already had the ..... .... it didn't matter with whom but he most certainly did not seem to be feeling sheepish

Stoner crashed on lap 24 and Rossi crashed on lap 1. You think that there may have been a bit of fuel difference there? It was still impressive that he managed to pick up the bike so easily. Adriana must have him working out a bit more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 24 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean other than everyone in the media that interviewed him?

My point is, he didn't take it any further with the officials. It may have been futile anyway(probably – possibly - who cares?).

He had his dummy spit (ptooey), his media interviews were measured and not personal attacks irrespective of their correctness or appropriateness and then that was it.

The whole thing, interviews and everything were over within 30 minutes of the race and he has (to my knowledge) been silent on the issue ever since.

Valentino has answered back and suggested rather calmly it was a racing incident, I agree, others don’t. Valentino even complemented Casey calling him a "Tough Cookie". Vale gave him a sublime "toughen up" and reminded him that Vale has been racing for a "lifetime".
Rossi

Mick Doohan provided his analysis and said that this was predictable and normal and basically showed that there two guys were fighting for a championship. Doohan

Mick also said both the guys know to leave it on track but a psychological battle is part of the game and has been forever – he spoke of the Roberts & Sheene spats from 30 years ago and basically gave the whole thing the big “so what”.

It will be fought out on the track and nothing was said to the officials – that was my point.

I can't remember a race since the 800's came to the fore that I was wincing and worried both riders were going to come off. I said to the missus during the race Pedrosa must be rubbing his hands with glee watching these 2 go hammer & tongs. He may end up not losing any points at all in the championship. However it was a bloody awesome battle and everyone who saw it loved it. Stoner has been used to a more measured overtaking process even from Valentino and nobody can deny he upped the aggression big time in the blocking & passing stakes. As long as they don't knock each other off and give Dani a free ride back in the championship I'm all for a lot more of what we saw in laguna. However if Casey had a problem with Vale's tactics then I feel he should have spoken to him about it away from the press. I didn't like the way he handled things after the race at all. Now the question is will it bamboozle Casey or will it motivate him ride to a higher level? Looking forward to finding out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 24 2008, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner crashed on lap 24 and Rossi crashed on lap 1. You think that there may have been a bit of fuel difference there? It was still impressive that he managed to pick up the bike so easily. Adriana must have him working out a bit more.

Another two important facts:
1. he didn't have to hold in the clutch. That gave him two hands free to lift.
2. the front diged in so the bike were not completly horizontal.

Still, he did good job getting it up quickly, but any comparison to Rossis crash is completly useless.


Edit: 3. He were standing on the hard surface while the wheels were in the deep gravel.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 24 2008, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is, he didn't take it any further with the officials. It may have been futile anyway(probably – possibly - who cares?).

While a completly agree with the rest you said I think it is a point that delivering a protest is a team desiton and I pretty confident Suppo never intended to do so. What Stoner opinion was in that matter we may never know.

This must be the best race so far, But CS making

"On the podium he told me that he'd lost respect for me because he's been racing for many years and he doesn't remember ever having a race like that,” .

these comments are a bit too much.


“Well, if he's been racing for many years, I've been racing for a lifetime and I don't know who he's been racing against but I remember all my races being like that and my rivals always fought that way.”

That seems to be a measured reply.

I read on Italian press that when they interviewed jerry B, afterwards he was VERY surprised casey is complaining about those 'HARD' moves by vale, he said that if casey was around in the period of rainey, schwartz, doohan, gardner they had those 'HARD' passes every weekend - he commentated that vale was 'old school' and roughed casey up a bit and casey just never had that kind of competition or compectiveness dished to him before (and said he get over it) and it soon be over as they both respect each other/.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jul 24 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This must be the best race so far, But CS making

"On the podium he told me that he'd lost respect for me because he's been racing for many years and he doesn't remember ever having a race like that,” .

these comments are a bit too much.


“Well, if he's been racing for many years, I've been racing for a lifetime and I don't know who he's been racing against but I remember all my races being like that and my rivals always fought that way.”

That seems to be a measured reply.

When we consider punch ups (not just Rossi and Biaggi) curses and all kinds of outlandish crap that has happened these are both pretty tame replies, I’ve said much worse to my friends to whom I’d still give my left leg.

Occasionally we rock that teacup vigorously to make the storm look a lot worse than it really is. So it's a storm and vestibular disturbance in one tea cup.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mstar @ Jul 24 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I read on Italian press that when they interviewed jerry B, afterwards he was VERY surprised casey is complaining about those 'HARD' moves by vale, he said that if casey was around in the period of rainey, schwartz, doohan, gardner they had those 'HARD' passes every weekend - he commentated that vale was 'old school' and roughed casey up a bit and casey just never had that kind of competition or compectiveness dished to him before (and said he get over it) and it soon be over as they both respect each other/.

I find this a bit odd for JB to be saying that ...... he'd know most Aussie's see straight through that .... but maybe he is fairly Euro centric now anyway??

Yeah sure old schoolers got into that stuff .... but they also reacted in the manner Casey did .... JB knows that better than anyone! .... he was Doohans man for yonks ..... and Doohan let people know when he was pissed off ........ as we've already said ...... its what folk who want to win do ...... why there is a modern propencity to play all PC is just sad really .... but its also a very integral part of Rossi's total mindgame, h's allways done it and will allways do it as he knows his fans love it, ......

Its propaganda ..... and really I would think it does JB a diservice to be entering into it ... as it would Livio .... though I note Livio is being far more diplomatic LOL.

Wow, now your questioning JBs opinions....you're an .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are you ....... serious!?!


oh no !! ... thanks Michael!! .... curve will now be cornering the market on the worlds supply of Vege!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 24 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. he didn't have to hold in the clutch. That gave him two hands free to lift.

were is this crap coming from? watch the fall again ..... the footage shows him clearly seeking the clutch first of all

Left hand is on the clutch and bars as he lifts ....... I have a nice slowmo and pause feature on my HDD recorder though so its easy to see and review such things how else are you proposing he kept the thing going? ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, now your questioning JBs opinions....you're an .....


I most certainly am questioning the usefulness and pertinence of JB's comments in this instance ...... see, sadly ........ I too am at times not a blind believer

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh no !! ... thanks Michael!! .... curve will now be cornering the market on the worlds supply of Vege!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I most certainly am questioning the usefulness and pertinence of JB's comments in this instance ...... see, sadly ........ I too am at times not a blind believer

yeah cause JB don't know .... bout the sport...especially compared to you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>



yeah cause JB don't know .... bout the sport...especially compared to you.


Curve ............ ...

1. how would it look if JB came out and said something against Rossi ?

2. Rossi loves to be liked, its an important part of his psychii ...... he wants and seeks the approval and loyalty of his followers and servants. Stoner ...... well he doesn't have that many folk liking him ....... but ...... I don't think that matters a hoot to Stoner .......

3. It all really means bugger-all in the end ......... Rossi nearly knocks them both off at high speed in a .... part of the track ..... Stoner says some nasty words ........ meh ....... these things happen in racing .......... but I do find the notion that he should thank the lord Rossi for sparing his life at the battle of "corkscrew" at tad of an oddity

Maybe Pedrosa would do it?? ...... but then again maybe thats why Pedrosa won't overtake Rossi? ( as folk on here complain ) .... perhaps he's waiting to ask for Rossi's permission

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Curve ............ ...

1. how would it look if JB came out and said something against Rossi ?

2. Rossi loves to be liked, its an important part of his psychii ...... he wants and seeks the approval and loyalty of his followers and servants. Stoner ...... well he doesn't have that many folk liking him ....... but ...... I don't think that matters a hoot to Stoner .......

3. It all really means bugger-all in the end ......... Rossi nearly knocks them both off at high speed in a .... part of the track ..... Stoner says some nasty words ........ meh ....... these things happen in racing .......... but I do find the notion that he should thank the lord Rossi for sparing his life at the battle of "corkscrew" at tad of an oddity

Maybe Pedrosa would do it?? ...... but then again maybe thats why Pedrosa won't overtake Rossi? ( as folk on here complain ) .... perhaps he's waiting to ask for Rossi's permission

Berry........ You obviously only been into the sport since Stoner started winning.

1. JB has criticized Rossi before...like when he went to the Bstones.

2. Cry babies have their mommy..they don't need friends....

3. You make no sense what so ever with the 3rd question.... But its Moto GP "RACING".......... need not apply...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 24 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner crashed on lap 24 and Rossi crashed on lap 1. You think that there may have been a bit of fuel difference there?

Sure there was! ..... say 14 to 15 litres at say 850g/l ..... lets say 12.5 kg ....

Stoner 24 laps .... pretty buggered

Rossi 1/6th of a lap .... pretty fresh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 25 2008, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Berry........ You obviously only been into the sport since Stoner started winning.

I thought we had already worked out that I had been into the sport longer than you had been on this earth!!?? ...... don't tell me you are say 2 years old now!!


if I have apparently been watching it only for say 1.5 years

and I have been watchig longer than you have been alive

the conclusion is now that you are 2 years old!! wow! you are one clever tacker Curve

Keep talking ..just shows how much you DON'T know about this sport brother...

Barry is old
Curve likes ham