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Laguna Seca Cancelled For 2014

Geonerd
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Then you deserve whatever crap treatment you receive.


 


Forget the Red/Blue elected fuckwits, vote with your wallet and things WILL change.


Yeah sure.  I get it.  I'm not even saying you're wrong.  


 


But, life is short, my wallet is big enough and I'm going.  I like MotoGP and at this point in my life, I can go basically when I want.  Who knows how long that will last.  While the rest of you guys protest on your couch, I'll watching the race with good friends while having a great time.  I'm no martyr.  
 
I guess we lose the iconic corkscrew (for a least a little bit of time), from the trip reports it doesn't seem people think Austin or Indy are that great of tracks.
 
eltoro
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I guess we lose the iconic corkscrew (for a least a little bit of time), from the trip reports it doesn't seem people think Austin or Indy are that great of tracks.


 


Austin the City and the track are both amazing. The track organizers were ......... I'd go back.
 
I don't think I'm allowed in America...(don't ask...) but it was a great event on TV, if missing a few classes.
 
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I think he would get into the US ok. Leaving may be somewhat more of a problem.
 
bluegreen
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Austin the City and the track are both amazing. The track organizers were ......... I'd go back.


This!


 


The Austin facility and track are great.  The place is easy to navigate, the views are nice and it's a cool place.  The city offers everything you'd need.  The event organizers suck!


 


Great crew last year!   
 
Did Dorna raise it's fee's for Austin and Indy?  


 


Is it Dorna's way of getting Laguna to grow into finally handling Moto2 and 3?   I sorta doubt it since Laguna might be the furthest track for them to reach, than again Dorna might make more money by having all three classes running. 


 
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As Lex and this article (although lightly hits) points out what a event like this brings to the community.     The roll over is tremendous.  As a small business owner being just an hours drive from Denver, I feel it when ever the pro teams, or events take place (look at what you members spent going to a race).   With GP racing you don't have that strong of effect of the home teams ranking, so it is even worse mistake on Monterey and California's part.  You have to spend money to make money.


 


Than again I'm sure there is more to the story...
 
Austin the City and the track are both amazing. The track organizers were ......... I'd go back.
This!

The Austin facility and track are great. The place is easy to navigate, the views are nice and it's a cool place. The city offers everything you'd need. The event organizers suck!

Great crew last year!

This !

The city is cool, the organisers are Juan Kerr's but who cares.

I'd go again quite happily. Could just do without the 50 hour + sleep deprivation due to American Airlines on the way there. Sort of slowed me down a bit when it came to the evenings festivities
 
I woke today a bit bummed thinking about the cancellation of Laguna Seca.  I'm still in whole hearted agreement that they did the right thing in protecting taxpayer money and not allow the region to be blasted by Drona executives.  But I was remembering how Andy Roo was going to come the year he had his accident.  He made it his goal to eventually come after his recovery, but now that plan has been foiled.  I'm pretty sure I would have loved this guy in real life straight away and added to the lifelong friendships that are made at these events.

 

Reading LeviG’s posts above, again reminded me why going to the races are so much fun, really the facilities have .... all to do with it.  MigsAhole's attempt to justify Dorna's decision was met with the ..... slap it deserved.  Who the hell goes to MotoGP races for the cleanliness of the toilets or the prettiness of garages?  This is one of many things that set motorcycle racing fans from say F1.  Frankly I always wanted to see a race at Donnington Park because historically it had been the site of many great races.  Its almost like you know the tracks personally as they conjure up fantastic memories that certain races offered up.  Though I was told the facilities were .... and the predictable rain made it a muddy proposition.  (I’m laughing right now because I’m recalling a picture of Chopper and Arrabi standing in the rain with a ...... little plastic poncho supposedly shielding the burly man from a torrential monsoon).   

 

For me, perhaps one of the greatest “races” was Laguna 08, a race that has become GP lore, however, personally that event was more memorable for the aspect of the bonds of friendship forged that year.  I went with Chopper to that race which resulted in me being the best man at the hiss wedding in 2011, which btw that year was perhaps the greatest assembly of fans at the track.  The second year at Indy is when I met LeviG and Gator, now several years of friendship, I've gone back to see them 3000 miles across the country, and actually I'm going for another significant event in a few months to be with them, that all happened because of Indy, keep in mind everybody hates that track.  Silverstone is a world class facility, if you were to ask me to list 10 memories, the manicured kurbing and the comfort of the grandstands would not make the list (neither would meeting Willski).  Though I will repeat, stay the .... away form the hamburger vendors.  Anyway, just ranting a bit (something I never do…haha).  Sucks, because BassPete was also threatening to come next year too.  This dude is a riot.  

 

JKnocks mentioned that the new racing calendar for 2014 left a gaping hole for July.  No GPs in that month yet the circus would be travel to this side of the hemisphere.  I wondered if eliminating Laguna was actually costing Dorna money given that staying here would have meant less cost while still getting the Laguna sanctioning fee; as Chopper pointed out to me, its not that Dorna raised the fee to 800K but rather raised the fee by 800K (in addition to).  That means that Laguna was still willing to pay the sanctioning fee but couldn’t pay the additional hike that Dorna tried to extort.  While I’m on it, what exactly was Laguna going to get in iterms of value in hosting a GP in exchange for the extra fee?  So Dorna has preferred to forego the money Laguna would have paid them, with added benefit of a round many people like, and the cost savings of remaining west of the pond.  Surely, even if it wasn’t a break even, the added value to the series of having an event at Laguna would have made sense not just regionally but globally for its fans.  What am I missing here?
 
What are you missing? Not much in terms of global appeal.


It actually makes me wonder how many circuits require subsidies to run GPs.


 


Phillip Island makes about 8mill in revenue, with costs of about 16mill, the state government tips in the rest.


 


(Eff wun is the same (managed by the same body), but it's about 60mill the government tips in - can't recall the other figures, they're out there in the Aust. Grand Prix Corporation's annual reports.)
 
I really think it was just a matter of Dorna wanting only two US rounds next year, and the easiest way to do it was increase the price until there were only two tracks left in the running. Remember that it is still not clear how many US riders will even be in MotoGP next year (a few weeks ago it looked like only Edwards would be there), and there are so many tracks competing for a spot on the calendar.


 


I'm just looking at the new circuits on the calendar - Argentina looks ok on paper but I don't know much about it. Not so sure about Brazil though.
 
5 stages of loss and grief: Denial ANGER Bargaining Depression Acceptance


Guess what stage I'm on. Krops, shield your eyes, this is gonna hurt a bit. I know I've met you, and you seem a nice enough guy, but I can't let you get away with soft-balling on Dorna ......... I apologize in advance for lambasting you, but you gotta admit, you deserve it, hell you might even like it. I've added this bit here because after writing the following, I started to feel self conscious about the human element, so I have decided to lighten the mood, I will add the following emoticon: :)



Kropo towing the Dorna line again on this (not surprisingly as the last three major opinion pieces have been 1. justifying the monopolization of the sport by Dorna via CEV, 2. blaming Honda and everything else for Marc's mistakes, and now 3. Laguna--it was alway unsafe and boring anyway). Finding all the reasons why the track wasn't favorable for racing or the 'safety conscious' Dorna (that is a ....... laugh), or the lack of partying in downtown, even the concern for one ....... lame ... solitary opinion (mr. finger crosser) he chose to emphasize why Laguna Seca was an awful unsafe track. What happened to that Mugello "dangerous wall" that Marc almost splattered himself on that you and Dennis Noyes were tweeting about that was such a hazard that u two suggested it be moved and if not done immediately the sanctioning body should withhold certifying the circuit? Did it suddenly and magically get safe? He simply can't admit and focus attention that Dorna tried to extort more money and Laguna were not willing to get butt ...... like all the other circuits. So let me get this straight, hotels raise their prices during Laguna's event, wow, that never happens across the world. Circuits don't turn a profit, umh like Jerez I guess. I read him and others give a million reasons why Indy was on the chopping block just a short time ago, Even riders lambasting the place, now with a taxpayer grant later surely ending up in Dorna coffers and suddenly it was a great track (even though in the same piece he mentions attendance was down by the same percentage). Maybe its because Dorna has turned GP into a sham and some stronger people than i are smart about it, what?... not part of the rationalization? Maybe some Americans (except Pov) are not buying the suspect domination by Spaniards as authentic, what, not part of the article? Since we are imagining reasons why some tracks should be killed over others; why not talk about the ........ favoritism to explain why its so popular in bankrupt Spain. Which while i'm on the subject is suspect how they are paying for this, in a place where unemployment is through the roof and their economy is on the brink. I got to wonder what backroom deal from the TV loot the rest of the world pays (thanks Brits) is subsidizing the Iberian Penisula by have its own personal championship. Perhaps it has to do with Repsol becoming a rolling infomercial for pretty much the entire season that so many Spanish rounds are paid indirectly. Now they are essentially forcing kids from Australia, Americas, UK, and every where else to uproot, sell their possessions, and making them race there to get a shot, and of course the conclusion its the best place to make racers because that is the only place Dorna plucks them from now. Why not focus scrutiny Dorna's insistence for a country of 47 million getting 4 rounds, while the US gets 2 with over 300+ million people. Oh and if ur tempted to say its because attendance, Dorna dont give one flying .... about that, see Qatar. It was about extortion, period. I know there is a back story on this, but I doubt we'll read about it. Thanks for throwing us a bone and saying losing it was "a shame"...that is after you made a nice case for canceling it. Reminds me of Krops saying Brits had nothing to complain about as there would be more representation on the grid. Yeah, whoopie ....... doo, they're all on ...... bikes. I await the next opinion piece titled, how Dorna pocketing millions in exchange for reducing viewership in the UK, a motorsport crazy country, was good for the sport. Spin much?


Kropo, may I use one of your succinct quotes? ".... You!"

 
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Everywhere, except the US, that is. Though total attendance for all three races combined is up, attendance at the two races from last year is down by around ten percent. That is one of the reason why Laguna Seca has been dropped from the calendar, as the Red Bull US GP at the Laguna Seca track has not been profitable for the past four years,according to a report in the Monterey County Herald. As a non-profit organization, SCRAMP, the organization which runs the track, has been unable to find the investment of the two other US tracks. The Circuit of the Americas receives $2 million in state tax credits, while the Indianapolis Motor Speedway has received a $100 million grant for improvements to the facility, including a new layout for the road course inside the Speedway. The sanctioning fee Laguna Seca paid to hold the MotoGP race is believed to be lowest on the calendar, and was the main reason why Moto2 and Moto3 (and previously, the 250cc and 125cc classes) never joined MotoGP at Laguna Seca.Though the race was popular with many in the paddock, mainly for the setting, there was criticism too. Prices for accommodation in Monterey were extortionate, and the event never resonated in the local area. Compared to the lively downtown happenings at Austin, or the huge and well-organized evening events in downtown Indianapolis, the events on Cannery Row were rather small scale.Most of all, though, there were concerns over safety. Though Turn 1 was one of the most impressive corners on the calendar, the wall was still very close, despite the hill having been moved back after 2005. Other sections, such as Turn 4 and the climb up the hill towards the Corkscrew, faced similar criticism. If something went wrong, it could have been very nasty. One team manager told me that every time MotoGP raced at Laguna Seca, he crossed his fingers on Friday morning and didn't uncross them until he left on Sunday night, with all of the riders still in one piece.
 

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