Its official! Dani to Stones!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani has been with HRC for about 8 years now, he's plenty loyal.
well HRC and Dani deserve each other and its probably because HRCs been Danis best option for 8 years,soon as Michelins mess up hes outta thereI cant stand the little man possibly cause he reminds me so much of Biaggi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why did you post this link
because it tells you that lorenzo has root fractures, the article is about 4 weeks old, so for you to say "he is not at all injured" is bollocks. you dont completely heal that quickly, why do you think i posted it you tard your trying to make the point that lorenzo is 100% while dani is riding badly injured which is tosh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because it tells you that lorenzo has root fractures, the article is about 4 weeks old, so for you to say "he is not at all injured" is bollocks. you dont completely heal that quickly, why do you think i posted it you tard your trying to make the point that lorenzo is 100% while dani is riding badly injured which is tosh

I'm not trying to make out that Dani is by any means badly injured, just that his injury is still an issue when Jorge's is not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not trying to make out that Dani is by any means badly injured, just that his injury is still an issue when Jorge's is not.

Surely only the riders could decide if their injuries are an issue or not

In the day when Dani and Michelin were such good friends!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Sep 1 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the day when Dani and Michelin were such good friends!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Sep 1 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Surely only the riders could decide if their injuries are an issue or not

Exactly!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 1 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone else think it is complete garbage that Dani should benefit from Michelins early in the season and now jump to Bridgestones to benefit in the second half?

Yes, it is a testament to the power, and money, behind Repsol and Honda. Even Rossi stuck it out the whole season last year. So much for the Rossi as a prima dona theory. I´ve always said that Dani is the real prima dona on the track and I´m thinking that this year he is more then proving my point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me just add that Lorenzo is currently not injured at all, so Dani is in fact more hurt. Also as i mentioned elsewhere, changing tyres will do Dani's psychology a lot of good. Rossi wasn't top Michelin last year but still had to leave.

Yes but Rossi left after his contract with Michelin was up. He stuck it out for the whole crappy season and had to spend a few races this year making the new tires work with the bike. Dani on the other hand used mommy honda and daddy Repsols money to make the switch much sooner. Since he has no chance at the title this year he will benefit from testing in these last races and start 2009 with much more data. Completely unfair and just goes to prove my prima dona comment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I only say he isn't injured at all because he said it on the BBC. I don't know exactly how injured Dani is at the moment, but his wrist is still well strapped up and the eurosport team seemed sure he wasn't 100%. Its not too important though because I don't think Dani's performance at Misano was down to injury.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Lorenzo has a history this year of being pretty honest (sometimes arguably too honest) about himself and he said "I am fine now, healthily speaking,". He also showed no evidence at all of being hurt. Dani has been pretty hard about his injuries this year, even making a rediculous attempt to play down his injuries and ride in the USA and still shows signs of being hurt.

Please, Dani NEVER plays down his injuries! The first thing he said was 'I have a boo boo and can´t race'. I seem to recall interesting comments made about Rossi last year in Valencia after his fracture. Not many excusses or understanding coming from people when that happen but now poor poor Dani has a hurt paw. As for any compairison to Lorenzo....The boy was on the Podium in a wheel chair in China for gods sake!!!!!!!! If Dani was half the rider Lorenzo is he should have been able to at least place 4th with his injuries. Dani is a whinner and Lorenzo is a fighter, enough said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Sep 2 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes but Rossi left after his contract with Michelin was up. He stuck it out for the whole crappy season and had to spend a few races this year making the new tires work with the bike. Dani on the other hand used mommy honda and daddy Repsols money to make the switch much sooner. Since he has no chance at the title this year he will benefit from testing in these last races and start 2009 with much more data. Completely unfair and just goes to prove my prima dona comment.

Well i think everyone learnt something last year with Rossi and Michelins problems. Rossi was de-motivated and riding nowhere near his best, he wasn't finishing top Michelin, but he was complaining about the tyres, and this went on until the end of the season, where further complications eventually led to Rossi getting his way. It was all pretty messy. The Dani situation has been dealt with much better, all parties involved understand that it will do them no good to continue, and that they can mutually gain from moving on. Additionally Dani can prepare for next year now. Everybody wins, except Dani if he doesn't do well next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Please, Dani NEVER plays down his injuries! The first thing he said was 'I have a boo boo and can´t race'. I seem to recall interesting comments made about Rossi last year in Valencia after his fracture. Not many excusses or understanding coming from people when that happen but now poor poor Dani has a hurt paw. As for any compairison to Lorenzo....The boy was on the Podium in a wheel chair in China for gods sake!!!!!!!! If Dani was half the rider Lorenzo is he should have been able to at least place 4th with his injuries. Dani is a whinner and Lorenzo is a fighter, enough said.

When did Dani say "i have a boo boo and i can't race", i'm pretty sure he tried all he could to race in Laguna and it quickly became apparent that his injuries were worse than reported. Dani and Jorge's injuries this season are totally incomparible, look at Rossi at Valencia last year or at Assen 06, thats how difficult hand/wrist injuries can be. Dani finished on the podium with leg injuries at Sepang 06. My feelings about Rossi last year were that he shouldn't have crashed in the first place, and i feel the same about Dani and Lorenzo this season. Staying on the bike is just better.

.... sake Hayden, why didn't you the same?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Sep 2 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please, Dani NEVER plays down his injuries! The first thing he said was 'I have a boo boo and can´t race'. I seem to recall interesting comments made about Rossi last year in Valencia after his fracture. Not many excusses or understanding coming from people when that happen but now poor poor Dani has a hurt paw. As for any compairison to Lorenzo....The boy was on the Podium in a wheel chair in China for gods sake!!!!!!!! If Dani was half the rider Lorenzo is he should have been able to at least place 4th with his injuries. Dani is a whinner and Lorenzo is a fighter, enough said.
exactly.
and as i said tom , i did not hear lorenzo say that on eurosport. dont blame me for being skeptical, after all you have been known for making .... up and not backing it up to dig yourself out of a hole.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 2 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and as i said tom , i did not hear lorenzo say that on eurosport. dont blame me for being skeptical, after all you have been known for making .... up and not backing it up to dig yourself out of a hole.

There is a difference between being more informed than you and "making .... up".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not trying to make out that Dani is by any means badly injured, just that his injury is still an issue when Jorge's is not.
Dani's lap time of 1.34.652 on monday testing on stones shows there was no injury problems with dani i think michelin summed it up really well saying that dani lost motivation.Although i am a rossi fan but i have no problem with dani switching tyre manf in the mid season especially if he challange CS and VR for the first place.

When will Michelin announce their exit from GP.They have said if they lost Honda they would be done.Well,they have lost Honda and im sure Lorenzo will demand the stones next year.Will they stick around to supply tires to the backmarkers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 2 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well i think everyone learnt something last year with Rossi and Michelins problems. Rossi was de-motivated and riding nowhere near his best, he wasn't finishing top Michelin, but he was complaining about the tyres, and this went on until the end of the season, where further complications eventually led to Rossi getting his way. It was all pretty messy. The Dani situation has been dealt with much better, all parties involved understand that it will do them no good to continue, and that they can mutually gain from moving on. Additionally Dani can prepare for next year now. Everybody wins, except Dani if he doesn't do well next year.


Sure Tom, and the fact that he had one of the slowest bike on the grid, to mention other bike issues had nothing to do with it. Vale just insisted on have the head of Yamanha racing in the box for ..... and giggles. Please give us all a break!


When did Dani say "i have a boo boo and i can't race", i'm pretty sure he tried all he could to race in Laguna and it quickly became apparent that his injuries were worse than reported.

Every single time he used his injuries as an excuse for his crappy performance. A stark contrast to Lorenzo.

Hopfully we will have a 3 or 4 horse race next year.

He did a good thing to change, and now has enough time to adjast to his new tires, so that next year from begin he can fight without worring for anything.

I hope that Lorenzo will do the same after this championship.

Last year they talk a lot negative about Vale, when he changed in the end of the year and his contract. But no one says anything now that in the middle of the year Dani changes.

I couldn't believe that this would be found legal by Dorna. What if Dani goes to win this championship?? Would Casey or Vale find it ok, if He becomes the first champion in the history to win his championship on 2 different tires? while Rossi had to wait and suffer untill Jan 2008?

apart from that i'm more happy now for the competition.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 31 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was expecting outraged comments on Pedrobot flexing his 'muscles' to force his way to bridgestones, (and managing the switch mid-season, even!) but it seems a certain kind of outrage is reserved to Rossi only, isn't it...
Pedrosa and Rossi are both .... for switching. Dorna are .... for letting them. ....... Benedict Arnolds. (Don't expect too many Brits and Euros to get that.)


(You happy?)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Aug 31 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can he switch tyres mid season??
Because he has the 2nd most clout in MotoGP. And clout means you can do whatever you want.

Dorna=WWF

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree it was bs, make's you wonder why bridgstone lied about being able to supply anyone else. history has now proved they could because they did.
my personal theory is ducati didnt want rossi on stones and told bridgstone to refuse until dorna stepped in. for all we know it could have been bridgstone who went to dorna secretly because they wanted to supply rossi but not upset ducati so got ezy to intervene on rossi's behalf. now theres a conspiracy theory lex that makes more sense than yours.
Because they had to or they would be kicked out of MotoGP and Michelin would be awarded the spec tire contract. Has everybody forgot what happened a year ago when Rossi strong armed Dorna into caving to his demands?

Oh so it was Ducati behind the scenes? And you think Lex is a conspiracy theorist?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Aug 31 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey all, have been away but after todays developments I just had to comment.

First, the tire issue. I seem to recall quite clearly many a person on this board calling Rossi a prima dona, that he was just upset that Stoner was winning and looking for an excuse....thus the tire move. The arguement was that if Rossi blamed the tire then people would 'miss' the 'fact' that he was past his prime. Fast forward to this year, where everyone, including eurosport commentatores are repeating what Rossi was saying last year. Perhaps, after all, a 7 time world champion does know a thing or two about the buisness of racing. In anycase, if Rossi was a prima dona for wanting to change after his Michelin contract was up what is Dani with a midseason switch?
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I think they are both "primo donnas". How quickly people forget the facts and sweep the dirty little deals under the rug. Danny's switch is obviously dastardly to do it mid season. But Rossi's switch was orchestrated by the governing body because of threats and strong arming (probably just like Peders presently); however, Rossi's threats precipitated threats by Dorna to propose a control tire (as we know now it was just a bluff) that coerced Bstone into supplying him ONLY. But here is the .... of it all, other riders wanting the Bstones were impeded and denied that request. Now I ask you (and keep in mind, I can't stand Pedrobot) would the championship look different had Dani got his Bstones at the beginning of the season? Well its speculation, but I think it would have. Confidence does a lot, and Dani is fast enough. So in essence (again, I hate the little ....), but in essence, he was denied the best chance to (at least in his mind) while Rossi got his placebo ONLY. Who the hell here is gonna argue that this is an even playing field? .... even when the field was in love with Michelin, it is well a an accepted fact (in the circle of reality) that Rossi got the best of them. Get over it, Rossi has the clout to make changes that other are denied, and that is what happened again but this time it was their second son Peders, period! Now go count your titles and ASTERISK in this .... for the record.

I have no problem rehashing this debate. I kicked all of your ..... last time who defended the decision and ran to Rossi/Dorna's side, and I can do it again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... im dieing to read what jumkie has to say about this
come on man, i no you took your laptop to Alaska !

Careful what you wish for compa.