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Lorenzo apogized for his actions at Sepang, has Rossi ? He owes Lorenzo an apology for suggesting that Lorenzo was part of a conspiracy to cheat him out of a title, he owes Marquez an apology for the same,plus one for purposely crashing him out, he owes the sport an apology for bringing it into disrepute and he owes his fans an apology for using their diminished mental capacity against them to cover up the fact that he no longer has the speed to beat his teammate.What about Lorenzo's behaviour post Sepang on the podium?
We can say Marquez was really difficult to understand at the end of the championship. But lapping over 1 sec slower and overtaking each other like it was the last three laps is weird, at least.
Last race looked like a comedy. Oh, probably you missed that Lorenzo told Sky Sport MotoGP MM and DP helped him to keep the title in Spain. That's why they didn't bother attacking him at Valencia, not even once.
Poor Dani, kept behind by the bodyguard
Now you can keep spreading your hate against the yellow puppet who ruined your favourite sport
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italy
"Suggesting that lorenzo was"..WHAT? He NEVER said that. -answering to a journalist at Sepang": Did they plan it together? I don't know. But Lorenzo could have avoided stepping into the dispute. He would have appeared like a gentleman.
"he owes Marquez an apology for the same"...because you are 100% sure Marquez didn't race just to make Rossi's lose the title? Ah right, my opinion is wrong and yours is right. I'm giving MM he benefit of the doubt at least.
"plus one for purposely crashing him out" Rossi DID apologize for pushing him wide NOT for crashing him. But you can watch the replay and tell me how did crash him out, as it appears clear who drove into the other, and it was not VR. I suggest you a slow motion replay, there are plenty on youtube , probably you missed this. He said after the Sepang GP. And several times after that too.
The rest really I do not care enough to answer.
Please think before you write, or you will only make laugh people with some brain
This has been discussed ad nauseam with others of your ilk.
Bottom line is that it is Rossi and blinkered fans of his such as you who are making all the accusations, discrediting one rider's integrity as a rider starting with a race that rider actually won, and discrediting still another rider's championship, and the burden of proof is on you and him. The only rider who rode illegally in the last 3 races was Rossi at Sepang as Race Direction found, and it was that illegal move which led to MM crashing, leaving a not very long chain of inference to draw the conclusion that he caused MM to crash out by making that illegal move.
The bottom line as Povol said is that VR after riding very well to get a lead in the championship was not fast enough to beat JL or MM in the last 3 races, Pedrosa in 4 of the last 5 races, or Iannone at PI and that is why he lost the championship, all else is excuse making.
Perhaps JL could have been more gracious, although I don't see why he has any more obligation to be gracious than anyone else, and he displayed at most minor lack of grace in comparison with VR, is entitled imo to disapprove of another rider being taken out, and was involved in the dispute given that he had to beat Rossi by 7 points at Valencia rather than quite possibly 4 had MM not been taken out.
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So just because you're Italian, that assures us not one person of your nationality will harm a Marquez fan? You can personally vouch for every citizen of Italy?
So you agree Rossi was part of it too.
Now you can keep spreading your hate against the yellow puppet who ruined your favourite sport
Just countering the hate you're spreading against the two Repsol Honda riders and Jorge Lorenzo.
Countless of your ilk have come and gone on here since Sepang, I don't see you being any different.
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italy
Yes I can. They are not football fans. Also, I'm PRETTY sure nobody will care about MM fans. Rossi's fans have nothing again any other rider's fans, including MM and JL. It's just 100% sure MM and JL are getting booed. I think there is nothing vilent about booing. Am I wrong?
Rossi kept overtaking Marquez and viceversa. My question is why? Why would you start such a battle at the second lap letting your real opponent go away? And the best answer I could find is that MAYBE you are desperate to overtake someone who is slowing you down on purpose, and then he immediately overtakes you because he's been the fastest guy on track since the weekend started. Did you guys watch MM's pace during the warm up?
I have nothing but respect for Daniel Pedrosa. He is an awesome rider. I do NOT care about Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez. Watching them win or lose make me feel the same way, I simply don't care.Especially Lorenzo. Sometimes I just think, well he rides very well, nice smooth style, but that's it. I absolutely don't hate them, you got this wrong.
I'm a MotoGP fan, but I don't like anyone. It's normal I'd say. You don't seem to like anyone either
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I'm having a slow day so will dignify a response.
I'm sure there were lots of people who disliked John Lennon...only took 1 crazed person to decide to kill him.
An extreme example yes, but my point is you are simply using your opinion as an argument to say something as fact. Out of all the Rossi fans in the world who have poured hatred to Marc Marquez, as far as posting death threats and abuse on his online accounts, it only takes 1 to take it too far. I posted videos earlier of 2 fans doing that very thing.
Or maybe, maybe he is using the tactic his childhood idol ROSSI made famous of "Immediately overtaking a rider who has passed you, to disrupt their rhythm"..of course when Rossi does it, he's a great..when Marquez does it, he's impeding Rossi.
I don't know either way what Marquez' pace was...we never got to find out. However, your frankly weak argument of "Look at his warmup" shows you haven't done any research further than supporting your bias of Rossi. If you had, you'd know that it was only 1 lap Marquez did and all his others were considerably slower, nor did he do as many fast laps as Lorenzo in warmup, meaning his consistency (and hence race pace) were questionable.
Maybe Marquez could have gone faster, maybe not? I don't know. However, if a rival had publicly called me out, and gone as far as personal insults, then you bet your ... i'd rade harder against him. that's human nature. You don't poke the bear then moan when it attacks you.
Really? For not caring about 2 riders you are expending a lot of personal effort against them. FWIW I'm a Lorenzo fan. I used to admire Rossi's skill but that has wained since I read his biography and seen first hand how the sport bends over backwards for him. And Sepang 2015 took away any respect I had for him.
I'm sure there were lots of people who disliked John Lennon...only took 1 crazed person to decide to kill him.
An extreme example yes, but my point is you are simply using your opinion as an argument to say something as fact. Out of all the Rossi fans in the world who have poured hatred to Marc Marquez, as far as posting death threats and abuse on his online accounts, it only takes 1 to take it too far. I posted videos earlier of 2 fans doing that very thing.
Or maybe, maybe he is using the tactic his childhood idol ROSSI made famous of "Immediately overtaking a rider who has passed you, to disrupt their rhythm"..of course when Rossi does it, he's a great..when Marquez does it, he's impeding Rossi.
I don't know either way what Marquez' pace was...we never got to find out. However, your frankly weak argument of "Look at his warmup" shows you haven't done any research further than supporting your bias of Rossi. If you had, you'd know that it was only 1 lap Marquez did and all his others were considerably slower, nor did he do as many fast laps as Lorenzo in warmup, meaning his consistency (and hence race pace) were questionable.
Maybe Marquez could have gone faster, maybe not? I don't know. However, if a rival had publicly called me out, and gone as far as personal insults, then you bet your ... i'd rade harder against him. that's human nature. You don't poke the bear then moan when it attacks you.
I do NOT care about Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez. Watching them win or lose make me feel the same way, I simply don't care.Especially Lorenzo. Sometimes I just think, well he rides very well, nice smooth style, but that's it. I absolutely don't hate them, you got this wrong.
I'm a MotoGP fan, but I don't like anyone. It's normal I'd say. You don't seem to like anyone either
No ilk is perfect
Really? For not caring about 2 riders you are expending a lot of personal effort against them. FWIW I'm a Lorenzo fan. I used to admire Rossi's skill but that has wained since I read his biography and seen first hand how the sport bends over backwards for him. And Sepang 2015 took away any respect I had for him.
You are keen to comment on the pace of others, what about Rossi's pace?. He actually managed to get ahead of Lorenzo on the grid for once at Sepang, by 0.01 of a second on his last qualifying lap, but was caught and passed by him. If he wanted to win the championship he perhaps should have taken the option of avoiding that occurrence.
Dani Pedrosa was having one of his week-ends and was always going to win the Sepang race as anyone who has watched MotoGP over his 10 years in the premier class knew.
MM threw down one banzai lap, as he is not unknown for doing on any given lap in any given session, in warm-up when not everyone necessarily has the same motivation; his next fastest lap was pretty close to Jorge's fastest, and Jorge had 5 of the top 8 fastest warm up laps between the two of them as it happens, having been faster in several other sessions (EDIT every other session apart from qualifying) as well.
Valentino was not fast enough at the end of the season, with Dani healthy, MM riding more judiciously and not throwing his bike down the road in the early laps, the Honda bike perhaps improved and JL in a late season groove in dry races. It was admirable he got so close at age 36 against such talented younger riders, but in the end he was simply not fast enough.
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italy
That's a good point, I believe after what happened with MM Rossi didn't push. He was more than 4 seconds behind JL and 15 seconds ahead of BS. He was in the middle of nowhere. He didn't have the pace to reduce such a gap. But you can't say he was slower during that weekend. They had similar paces, not to mention Rossi even outqualified JL, which happened I think 2 times or so this year.
Also, do not forget in Australia, both Iannone and Rossi had a better pace than JL, by 2-3 tenths. In fact, they overtook each other 75 times but they were always 1 seconds or less behind JL. Only MM was faster.
These are facts
JL was faster than Rossi in Valencia, though the Hondas were faster than him. Daniel Pedrosa was lapping more than half a second faster during the last laps. MM spent the whole race behind him without even trying to overtake...I wonder if it had been Rossi in front instead of Lorenzo what would MM have done
Lorenzo was faster than Rossi in every session at Sepang except for qualifying, when Rossi got him by 0.01 seconds on the very last lap. JL also had the fastest race lap as it happens.That's a good point, I believe after what happened with MM Rossi didn't push. He was more than 4 seconds behind JL and 15 seconds ahead of BS. He was in the middle of nowhere. He didn't have the pace to reduce such a gap. But you can't say he was slower during that weekend. They had similar paces, not to mention Rossi even outqualified JL, which happened I think 2 times or so this year.
Also, do not forget in Australia, both Iannone and Rossi had a better pace than JL, by 2-3 tenths. In fact, they overtook each other 75 times but they were always 1 seconds or less behind JL. Only MM was faster.
These are facts
JL was faster than Rossi in Valencia, though the Hondas were faster than him. Daniel Pedrosa was lapping more than half a second faster during the last laps. MM spent the whole race behind him without even trying to overtake...I wonder if it had been Rossi in front instead of Lorenzo what would MM have done
Races are not decided on fastest laps in any case, but rather on who greets the chequered flag first, and if Lorenzo gets a significant lead by being faster early in the race this counts equally with time gained late race. If Rossi can't or chooses not to stay with Lorenzo early in races that is his problem, and he specifically runs the risk of being impeded as he tries to come through the field late race. We will never know how fast Jorge could have gone late race at PI if Rossi had been his opponent anyway, he has actually said that he slowed down on the last lap because he thought it was Iannone who was challenging him and he didn't want to take the risk of being crashed out by an inexperienced rider enthusiastic for his first podium; he is not to be believed of course, only Rossi can be believed in regard to such comments.
We have been through the Valencia thing, it is a "one-line circuit" where many dry races in the last decade have involved no passes for the lead, Jorge had the pole, the fastest lap, rode at near record pace for the whole race, made no mistakes and left no openings, and also won 6 or 7 other races the same way in the 2015 season. I concur with others that MM could only have passed Jorge by an impetuous and risky move, Dani couldn't make a move stick despite his late race pace as has been said, and if MM wasn't inclined to try such a pass after being insulted and then taken out by Rossi and admonished by the stewards who (apparently after reading his mind) decided he had incited Rossi at Sepang, tough for Rossi. He was imo 7 points ahead rather than 4 only because he took out MM at Sepang, and a 4 point lead would have required just a second place finish from Jorge even if Rossi finished 3rd, a placing he showed no sign of having the pace to achieve over the entire Valencia race weekend.
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BS
There were 57 overtakes the entire race involving Lorenzo, Rossi, Ianonne and Marquez with Ianonne from memory having 19, hardly your supposed 75.
Incorrect again as there was a gap that exceeded 1 second and, if you are to be believed with your 'fact' then surely, by way of the masses the 'fact' that MM made up 'over a second' to catch and pass JL would have meant that Ianonne and VR would also have passed JL.
in FACT on lap 6 both Ianonne and VR were in excess of 1 second behind Lorenzo so were not always within a second as per your fact (which is not a fact)
Source for my FACTS - http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/analysisbylap.pdf?v3_8089a514
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italy
You must be fan at parties
I meant, having JL ahead you would expect him to pull away. Actually he never did, they overtook each other 57 times but JL was still there. When they were not busy fighting each other they always reduced the gap between them and Jorge.
Apologies for saying it was 1 second gap when it actually was 1.2 on that lap (6)
I will go to jail
I meant, having JL ahead you would expect him to pull away. Actually he never did, they overtook each other 57 times but JL was still there. When they were not busy fighting each other they always reduced the gap between them and Jorge.
Apologies for saying it was 1 second gap when it actually was 1.2 on that lap (6)
I will go to jail
Suggest you go again, the gap was 1.68+ on lap 7
1.4 on 8
1.02 on 9
And so on.
So hardly every lap as you attest.
Suggest before you come wishing to spew forth your opinion as fact you need to make sure that you opinion matches the fact and in both cases concerning Phillip Island where you stated 'these are the facts' you are wrong, way wrong, which by extension could well bring into question others statements you claim to be fact
As for a fan at parties, well I prefer parties like Shovel's club but I suspect that there is an age limit so you may not be allowed
Edit. As a fact, there were 11 of the 27 completed laps where Ianonne or Rossi was no closed that 1 second, so 11 laps greater than 1 second gap (I chose the closest of the two to measure against).
1.4 on 8
1.02 on 9
And so on.
So hardly every lap as you attest.
Suggest before you come wishing to spew forth your opinion as fact you need to make sure that you opinion matches the fact and in both cases concerning Phillip Island where you stated 'these are the facts' you are wrong, way wrong, which by extension could well bring into question others statements you claim to be fact
As for a fan at parties, well I prefer parties like Shovel's club but I suspect that there is an age limit so you may not be allowed
Edit. As a fact, there were 11 of the 27 completed laps where Ianonne or Rossi was no closed that 1 second, so 11 laps greater than 1 second gap (I chose the closest of the two to measure against).
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MM also nearly lost his bike twice early in the PI race, on the first occasion allowing Rossi past (he must have gotten confused and thought he was allowing Jorge past), the second occasion a near tank slapper when out on his own; I guess both these were deliberate to give verisimilitude to his late race deception against Rossi, rather successfully since absolutely no-one had any questions about the race till the Sepang press conference. I guess the 5 or 6 times he crashed out of races pushing too hard early in races, which is what put him out of contention for the championship and were a significant contributor to Rossi being in the lead in the championship, were all part of the deception as well.
MM can run whatever race tactics he likes, particularly in a race he wins. I am still not much of a fan, but the lessons he himself says he has learnt this year, of settling for points if he can't win, and his new found ability to restrain himself from trying to dominate at all times however his bike is behaving, is going to make him extremely difficult to beat when added to the native raw pace which won him the 2013 and 2014 titles. I think the Yamaha riders are probably going to need a bike advantage to beat him, although it is still not clear who will be suited by the new tyres.
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I love it when boppers have to backtrack. Also, what's this "Expect" BS? Are you a mindreader now? Just because JLo hit the front, he may have been flat out. It doesn't mean he's going to ride off into the sunset.
Take a lesson from Gaz, who has used the word FACT correctly by referencing material that supports his FACT. Not "I meant this, and you'd expect that"
