Italian Marquez fans to skip Mugello due to "safety concerns"

J4rn0 · Jan 10, 2016

michaelm said:
Sorry J4rn0, this particular thing is probably exaggerated/publicity seeking, but this level of hatred for other riders is the preserve of Rossi fans. Even the guy you consider the biggest "hater" on here in Jumkie restricts himself to verbal sallies, and has no desire to set fire to VR's lawn, and I am sure would not consider spitting actual saliva at Rossi fans let alone Rossi himself, which is what actually happened to Casey Stoner at a charity event no less.

Here we have some people asserting they would be in danger if they go to Mugello, but there is nothing concrete to support that. If verbal exchanges on social media had to be taken at face value, we would have to close down all stadiums on Sundays.

There has not been a single case of violence between Rossi and Marquez fans back in October-November, when things were hot -- what makes one think that there would be violence in June 2016?

I understand that some people here jump on this kind of news to fuel their extreme points of view, -- and I am exceedingly bored with this endless ranting -- but it is precisely that attitude that keeps the flames going. Do they want to stop all this? Stop fueling it...! Too simple, uh?

Gaz · Jan 10, 2016

J4rn0 said:
I understand that some people here jump on this kind of news to fuel their extreme points of view, -- and I am exceedingly bored with this endless ranting -- but it is precisely that attitude that keeps the flames going. Do they want to stop all this? Stop fueling it...! Too simple, uh?

Absolutely, but does this also not go for the media and riders press releases and/or comments?

I will state that to me, a lot of this is on the riders involved as well as we have seen comments from MM trying to dampen the flames, we have seen JL but I have not yet seen anything from team VR that could be seen as dampening the fire.

Sure there may have been some that did not light further spot fires, but nothing from him or his team (and I refer to team VR not Team Yamaha) to try to put a stop to it as we saw with the Ianonne BS.

There may have been stuff in the Italian or other medias, but to date I have not seen anything in the english media so can only go one what I have seen and personally I suspect that until VR speaks to dampen the mood, then many of the yellow masses will continue to be irate and what they perceive as the injustices done. Often of course where you see irate you see anger, with anger can come confrontation and where mobs are concerned who knows what may happen.

Dramatic , certainly but let us not forget that soccer/football hooliganism started from friendly rivalries that developed into hate fueled violence for no reason other than the colour of the opposition supporters jumper.

The risk is real .............. even if at the longer shot side, but it is a risk and the people involved need to put a stop to it. This could include MM saying to his fan club that he does not agree and would expect them to be safe (only thing here could be if sh*t hit the fan does it open him up to legality issues)

#22 · Jan 10, 2016

moto vudu said:
As it stands, there has been NO violence on or off track at a MotoGP event. Just bored people exaggerating a situation that's done and over with.

No violence? Really? So what do you call this:

Or this:

And in case you don't understand what the term violence means, let me remind you:

violence
/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/

noun
noun: violence

1. behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

In video 1, 2 boppers were intent on getting into the Repsol garage in an extremely angry state of mind to confront Marquez, and when you're angry who knows what can happen. Both videos show these people having to be physically restrained from reaching Marquez. That is the definition of violence.

Don't agree? Well let me come to your house in an angry state, start kicking your door down and shouting abuse at you. I bet your defence for shooting me would be "He was acting violet towards me"

The Italian Marquez fanclub SHOULD skip the Mugello round (and every other round)... because they sound like a bunch of crying cowards. Maybe Dorna can make a little dome with bulletproof glass the scared MM fans can sit in and watch the race on a little screen. OMG, those fans with yellow afros and #46 shirts are so scary...

Wrong again. No person, no fan of the sport or any rider should be made to feel intimidated or unwelcome at a race just because they don't support a particular rider.

J4rn0 said:
Nonsense. Probably these people just want to stir up some ..... to be given free tickets... I am ready to bet that MM fans will be as safe at Mugello, or anywhere in Italy, exactly as they were last year.

Well you're the expert at stirring J4rno

moto vudu said:
Do you guys realize that some posters on the forums you're referring to are pimple-faced 8 y/o kids? Other posts are from people trolling just to get a reaction. There is a BIG difference between posting on crash.net that you're mad about the 2015 Championship, and actually causing a legitimate safety concern at a MotoGP event. Nobody here is new to the internet, we all know people say ridiculous things because of the anonymity the internet provides. Those same people would be scared to make the their comments to anyone's face.

This isn't ISIS declaring themselves Rossi fans and are planning to behead a MM fan every day until Marc admits to assisting Lorenzo.

This is entire thing is something you're exaggerating in your mind. You refuse to let it die because, hell what else will you talk about for the rest of the off-season. You create the demand for off-season drama and certain media outlets will feed that demand.

The Italian MM fanclub are attention seekers.

Repsol Honda installed armed guards outside their garages at Valencia, you think they did this because they were scared of some 8 year olds? Unlike the gun culture in the USA, use of guns is rare here and only done in the most extreme of cases, so there was sufficient fear of Marc Marquez' safety for that to have been done.

It's like threatening to kill the president of the USA on a forum. You can go to jail, even if you didn't mean it.

It's funny how you seem to be bothered about us exaggerating it, yet are happy to comment on the thread.

michaelm · Jan 10, 2016

Gaz said:
Absolutely, but does this also not go for the media and riders press releases and/or comments?

I will state that to me, a lot of this is on the riders involved as well as we have seen comments from MM trying to dampen the flames, we have seen JL but I have not yet seen anything from team VR that could be seen as dampening the fire.

Sure there may have been some that did not light further spot fires, but nothing from him or his team (and I refer to team VR not Team Yamaha) to try to put a stop to it as we saw with the Ianonne BS.

There may have been stuff in the Italian or other medias, but to date I have not seen anything in the english media so can only go one what I have seen and personally I suspect that until VR speaks to dampen the mood, then many of the yellow masses will continue to be irate and what they perceive as the injustices done. Often of course where you see irate you see anger, with anger can come confrontation and where mobs are concerned who knows what may happen.

Dramatic , certainly but let us not forget that soccer/football hooliganism started from friendly rivalries that developed into hate fueled violence for no reason other than the colour of the opposition supporters jumper.

The risk is real .............. even if at the longer shot side, but it is a risk and the people involved need to put a stop to it. This could include MM saying to his fan club that he does not agree and would expect them to be safe (only thing here could be if sh*t hit the fan does it open him up to legality issues)

I don't know about actual violence, but I see MM as now having been permanently demonised, like Stoner before him and every other serious rival Rossi has ever had, and several not very serious rivals for that matter, and this time not even by proxy but directly by Rossi.

I will be happy to cease and desist when Rossi withdraws his petulant, self-serving, unprovable and imo baseless late season accusations, of which there appears little sign as you say.

Keshav · Jan 10, 2016

Talk is cheap. If they're really so wimpy they could go and just wear Honda t shirts. This is just the media trying to make a story on a slow day.

J4rn0 · Jan 10, 2016

This Marquez Fan Club has 4,000 members. We are not speaking about 4 or 40 people afraid to be surrounded and beaten... It's 4,000 people!

They came out with this statement the day before Mugello was closing the sale of discounted tickets. No doubt a coincidence.

4,000 tickets can negotiate a big discount, can't they.

Jumkie · Jan 10, 2016

J4rn0 said:
This Marquez Fan Club has 4,000 members. We are not speaking about 4 or 40 people afraid to be surrounded and beaten... It's 4,000 people!

They came out with this statement the day before Mugello was closing the sale of discounted tickets. No doubt a coincidence.

4,000 tickets can negotiate a big discount, can't they.

Surrounded by about how many staunch Rossi fans? You got a number for that?

michaelm · Jan 10, 2016

J4rn0 said:
This Marquez Fan Club has 4,000 members. We are not speaking about 4 or 40 people afraid to be surrounded and beaten... It's 4,000 people!

They came out with this statement the day before Mugello was closing the sale of discounted tickets. No doubt a coincidence.

4,000 tickets can negotiate a big discount, can't they.

As I said, I doubt there will be actual violence, there wasn't against Stoner when he "stole" world championships from Rossi, although being spat at by fans is close to the same thing.

I have absolutely no doubt however that MM's further career will be blighted by the undying hatred (actually promised by a number of transient posters on here in the wake of PI, Sepang and Valencia) of the considerable "bopper" element among Rossi fandom, on this occasion directly incited by VR, and you are in denial if you don't think this is so; it is hardly without precedent either.

If MM is to be considered a villain because of the Willairot incident, fine (I thought that was villainous myself), or even for other incidents in his moto 2 career, the last corner pass at Jerez 2013, the times he took out Pedrosa in moto gp, the ignoring the yellow flag incident in practice last year, or even the attempted dirty (imo) move at Assen this year that would be more reasonable.

However MM has qualified for villainy essentially due to made-up accusations by Rossi, who actually crashed MM out of a race rather than the other way around, and has deliberately incited the crazy element of his fan base against MM by those allegations, for which VR does not get a free pass this time in my view.

J4rn0 · Jan 10, 2016

Jumkie said:
Surrounded by about how many staunch Rossi fans? You got a number for that?

So you anticipate a huge clash of thousands against thousands at Mugello? 10,000+ strong yellow troops surrounding a 4,000 strong red army? Now that would be news. Even for an apocalyptic kind of guy like you, that's stretching imagination a bit...

Saying that 4,000 members of an organized club cannot attend a GP because afraid for their safety is preposterous -- or, as I say, instrumental for obtaining something else.

Btw, have you ever seen the vast majority of what you call the "yellow hordes" (or of whatever color) at Mugello? The families with kids, having picnics on the grass etc? Rioters indeed.

Jumkie · Jan 10, 2016

J4rn0 said:
So you anticipate a huge clash of thousands against thousands at Mugello? 10,000+ strong yellow troops surrounding a 4,000 strong red army? Now that would be news. Even for an apocalyptic kind of guy like you, that's stretching imagination a bit...

Saying that 4,000 members of an organized club cannot attend a GP because afraid for their safety is preposterous -- or, as I say, instrumental for obtaining something else.

Btw, have you ever seen the vast majority of what you call the "yellow hordes" (or of whatever color) at Mugello? The families with kids, having picnics on the grass etc? Rioters indeed.

You've grossly missed the point. Often the case when you're in the majority. So just a little over 10,000 Rossi fans show up? Haha. Did you miss a zero?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/...o-2-5-million-fans-at-2014-grands-prix/165696

J4rn0, the reality is that boppers are infinitely more extreme, as in religious extremism. 4K is a drop when you're amongst 100,000 Val - Qaeda fans. In such a large number there's got to be at least 100 wackos, that's enough to scare me. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a 93 tshirt. Those outnumbered Marc fans aren't going to walk around like one unit genius. I didn't realize you dont do math that good apart from not seeing the point here. At any moment each individual Marc fan will be outnumbered 25 to 1.

The fan club looked at the prospect and probably decided to err on the side of caution. VR fans are crazy everywhere, but I bet they're most insane in Italy. They tried to usurp the rules by a petition that got close to a million peeps. Certified crazy those who signed on. Some Italian dudes tried to deliver a Cup of .... to Marc's residence. Marc has received several threats by phone, and social media. You feel safe because you'd be surrounded by the equivalent of Christians at the Vatican. But how safe would 4K Catholics feel in Mecca?

JPSLotus · Jan 10, 2016

As a side note, I do have to say that my respect for MM went up immensely for MM in that he was actually willing to race VR at Sepang. How many guys outright folded to VR's threats in the past, or would have essentially not even tried to race him because of the press conference? MM simply did not roll over for the self-appointed deity as so many have done.

That was courage unlike any I have ever seen. He refused to back down from the false idol in spite of it all, and I don't see him doing so in 2016. It could be considered stupid on some level, yet a man who doesn't give an inch in a situation where it would have been so easy to do out of fear, has to receive due respect.

#22 · Jan 10, 2016

JPSLotus said:
As a side note, I do have to say that my respect for MM went up immensely for MM in that he was actually willing to race VR at Sepang. How many guys outright folded to VR's threats in the past, or would have essentially not even tried to race him because of the press conference? MM simply did not roll over for the self-appointed deity as so many have done.

I have previously stated that I believe this was Rossi's intent all along, to try and eliminate Marquez from being a threat to 'his' championship. However this time his opponent didn't play ball.

Dr No · Jan 11, 2016

Me? I find the whole "fan club" thing distasteful. The whole concept just opens itself up to these contretemps.
Fanboism writ large

J4rn0 · Jan 11, 2016

Jumkie said:
You've grossly missed the point. Often the case when you're in the majority. So just a little over 10,000 Rossi fans show up? Haha. Did you miss a zero?

Crowds grow as MotoGP? pulls in close to 2.5 million fans at 2014 Grands Prix

J4rn0, the reality is that boppers are infinitely more extreme, as in religious extremism. 4K is a drop when you're amongst 100,000 Val - Qaeda fans. In such a large number there's got to be at least 100 wackos, that's enough to scare me. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a 93 tshirt. Those outnumbered Marc fans aren't going to walk around like one unit genius. I didn't realize you dont do math that good apart from not seeing the point here. At any moment each individual Marc fan will be outnumbered 25 to 1.

The fan club looked at the prospect and probably decided to err on the side of caution. VR fans are crazy everywhere, but I bet they're most insane in Italy. They tried to usurp the rules by a petition that got close to a million peeps. Certified crazy those who signed on. Some Italian dudes tried to deliver a Cup of .... to Marc's residence. Marc has received several threats by phone, and social media. You feel safe because you'd be surrounded by the equivalent of Christians at the Vatican. But how safe would 4K Catholics feel in Mecca?

All your thinking has the mark of paranoia, Dunkie. You really seem to think that there are "hordes" of organized Rossi hoolingans out there, but there is nothing like that. Your idea of an extremist cult following is a complete delusion.

I'm ready to bet that nothing will happen not only at Mugello or Misano or anywhere for that matter. But I'm also aware that common sense is completely wasted on you.

michaelm · Jan 11, 2016

J4rn0 said:
All your thinking has the mark of paranoia, Dunkie. You really seem to think that there are "hordes" of organized Rossi hoolingans out there, but there is nothing like that. Your idea of an extremist cult following is a complete delusion.

I'm ready to bet that nothing will happen not only at Mugello or Misano or anywhere for that matter. But I'm also aware that common sense is completely wasted on you.

Are you equally confident MM won't be the subject of continuing vilification?

povol · Jan 11, 2016

Dr No said:
Me? I find the whole "fan club" thing distasteful. The whole concept just opens itself up to these contretemps.
Fanboism writ large

. I can see a young kid getting caught up idolizing a performer, but grown men that belong to fan clubs are missing something in their lives and are kind of creepy. I see it here n the south were some people's lives totally revolve around a bunch of 18-21 kids who play college football. It's sad really that someone can be so hollow and unfulfilled that they would sign up to idolize another human being, especially one as fraudulent as Rossi. I tell you what, if someone will buy me a ticket and all the Marquez apparel , I will go to Mugello and Misano. Hell, I'll go to Tavullia.

MdubSTYLIE · Jan 11, 2016

Dr No said:
Me? I find the whole "fan club" thing distasteful. The whole concept just opens itself up to these contretemps.
Fanboism writ large

Thats such an atheist thing to say.

Jumkie · Jan 11, 2016

povol said:
I tell you what, if someone will buy me a ticket and all the Marquez apparel , I will go to Mugello and Misano. Hell, I'll go to Tavullia.

But you're 6.13, 290. Who is gonna .... with you?

black101 · Jan 11, 2016

Jumkie said:
You've grossly missed the point. Often the case when you're in the majority. So just a little over 10,000 Rossi fans show up? Haha. Did you miss a zero?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2014/...o-2-5-million-fans-at-2014-grands-prix/165696

J4rn0, the reality is that boppers are infinitely more extreme, as in religious extremism. 4K is a drop when you're amongst 100,000 Val - Qaeda fans. In such a large number there's got to be at least 100 wackos, that's enough to scare me. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a 93 tshirt. Those outnumbered Marc fans aren't going to walk around like one unit genius. I didn't realize you dont do math that good apart from not seeing the point here. At any moment each individual Marc fan will be outnumbered 25 to 1.

The fan club looked at the prospect and probably decided to err on the side of caution. VR fans are crazy everywhere, but I bet they're most insane in Italy. They tried to usurp the rules by a petition that got close to a million peeps. Certified crazy those who signed on. Some Italian dudes tried to deliver a Cup of .... to Marc's residence. Marc has received several threats by phone, and social media. You feel safe because you'd be surrounded by the equivalent of Christians at the Vatican. But how safe would 4K Catholics feel in Mecca?

Val-Qaeda.....brilliant![emoji3]

JPSLotus said:
As a side note, I do have to say that my respect for MM went up immensely for MM in that he was actually willing to race VR at Sepang. How many guys outright folded to VR's threats in the past, or would have essentially not even tried to race him because of the press conference? MM simply did not roll over for the self-appointed deity as so many have done.

That was courage unlike any I have ever seen. He refused to back down from the false idol in spite of it all, and I don't see him doing so in 2016. It could be considered stupid on some level, yet a man who doesn't give an inch in a situation where it would have been so easy to do out of fear, has to receive due respect.

Surely in the world today you have witnessed more courageous acts than this?

JPSLotus · Jan 11, 2016

black101 said:
Surely in the world today you have witnessed more courageous acts than this?

Yes I have.

Regardless of that, for MM to defy the man who has had the entire sport under his thumb for 15 years was rather impressive.

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