Italian Marquez fans to skip Mugello due to "safety concerns"

Not surprised at all! Lets seen if he will do the same as he did for Andrea I.

That's absolutely awful. What the hells the matter with some bloody people, they need to grow up and move on :banghead: its getting a bit :sleep: now..

Love a good rivalry between riders, especially when there seems to be a genuine dislike between them but when that spills over into the stands and sections start acting like a football crowd it's gone too far.
Being spat on because of what rider/team you support or feeling too intimidated to go watch a race is shocking. Then again cheering as a rider crashes also seems acceptable to some sections of "support".

Deefer Dogg said:

Love a good rivalry between riders, especially when there seems to be a genuine dislike between them but when that spills over into the stands and sections start acting like a football crowd it's gone too far.
Being spat on because of what rider/team you support or feeling too intimidated to go watch a race is shocking. Then again cheering as a rider crashes also seems acceptable to some sections of "support".

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I know disgusting eh :redcard:

Dorna are just to blame for this as Rossi "fans".

In light of this, Dorna SHOULD issue a statement saying this has gone too far and just like football, any 'fan' seen intimidating or being abusive to others will get an immediate and lifetime ban from not only MotoGP, but ANY motorsport event.

In my opinion, those two wankers who tried to storm the Repsol Honda garage at Sepang should have been at least banned as above, or more preferably shot. These people are no good for the sport.

If you look at every article and just about every "expert" opinion on the subject you'll notice how this situation is described as a "fued" or "war" between the two: Marquez verses Rossi/ Rossi verses Marquez. The subtle message is that they're BOTH complicit. Take a look, read all the headlines on the subject. Rossi is not considered the only perpetrator despite it starting exactly with his McCarthyist baseless accusations at the Thursday Sepang press conference. Then his word attack turned into an actual physical attack on the track! The attack of words continued after that race but then it got worse. Before and after the Valencia race the attack of accusation went into utter lunacy and paranoia.

This is as much a "fued" or "war" as a typical dynamic between a bully and the victim. Its a grossly inaccurate description at best, disingenuous, wanton spin, or cowardly reporting at worst.

Here is an extreme example of the point I'm trying to make (obviously not in magnitude) we wouldn't describe the dynamic between the natives that Columbus encountered as a "fued". There is a clear aggressor. You can dismiss this example, however the fact remains, the dynamic is not a mutually instigated situation.

When the situation is described this way it lends license to accept and entertain all manner of disconnected assertions and worse, actions.

If you look up any conflict between mutually waring nations, the sides are described as "belligerents". If you look up an attack by a bully, the two sides are not described as "belligerents". However with virtually no divergence, the attack by Rossi on Marquez has been overwhelmingly described as two mutual belligerents, a "fued" a "war"; except it's not because the aggression has come from completely one side.

The specific incidents of aggression by Ross are absolute facts:

1. Attacking integrity by accusations during Thursday press conference at Sepang.

2. Deliberate physical attack on the track at Sepang.

3. Attacking integrity by accusations during press conference before & after Valencia.

Now let's take a look at Marquez's attacks as absolute facts.

1. Actually there are none. No attacks as fact. Zero.

There are no absolute facts to be counted as Marquez's attacks. None. However here is what he is accused of by Rossi.

1. Helping Lorenzo, Rossi at Phillip Island. (Guilty based on winning the race)
2. Slowing Rossi at Sepang, when Rossi would have more motive to slow Marc. (Guilty based on making clean overtaking)
3. Attacking Rossi at Valencia by not attacking Lorenzo. (Guilty based on no overtaking).

So Rossi’s attacks are undisputable facts, but Marquez's 'attacks' don't actually exist except in perception. This is described as a 'mutual' "fued". This description is not only inaccurate but it lends itself to such reactions as we have seen in the aftermath.

It's the media and the fans dragging the incident out to make it bigger than it is. Neither Rossi or Marquez have said a damn thing regarding one another and the Mugello round is the SIXTH round! By the time the championship gets to Mugello there may not be any lingering tension ON or OFF track between the two.

As it stands, there has been NO violence on or off track at a MotoGP event. Just bored people exaggerating a situation that's done and over with.


The Italian Marquez fanclub SHOULD skip the Mugello round (and every other round)... because they sound like a bunch of crying cowards. Maybe Dorna can make a little dome with bulletproof glass the scared MM fans can sit in and watch the race on a little screen. OMG, those fans with yellow afros and #46 shirts are so scary...

Nonsense. Probably these people just want to stir up some ..... to be given free tickets... I am ready to bet that MM fans will be as safe at Mugello, or anywhere in Italy, exactly as they were last year.

J4rn0 said:

Nonsense. Probably these people just want to stir up some ..... to be given free tickets... I am ready to bet that MM fans will be as safe at Mugello, or anywhere in Italy, exactly as they were last year.

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Sorry J4rn0, this particular thing is probably exaggerated/publicity seeking, but this level of hatred for other riders is the preserve of Rossi fans. Even the guy you consider the biggest "hater" on here in Jumkie restricts himself to verbal sallies, and has no desire to set fire to VR's lawn, and I am sure would not consider spitting actual saliva at Rossi fans let alone Rossi himself, which is what actually happened to Casey Stoner at a charity event no less.

JPSLotus said:

Every news article I see regarding MM/VR that allows for comments has fans still screaming about what a piece of .... MM "really is".

They aren't letting it go.

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If you read the comments section in most articles regarding Lorenzo, even the one as seemingly benign as his switch of helmet brands, you will read boppers rage. There are some gems. Look them up. Now consider for a moment...these comments surrounding Lorenzo. You can imagine the rage that still surrounds Marquez--the architect of the heist against Rossi. Make no mistake, boppers are still insane and still very much angry. Its like every time they're reminded of it all the rage comes back.

Jumkie said:

If you read the comments section in most articles regarding Lorenzo, even the one as seemingly benign as his switch of helmet brands, you will read boppers rage. There are some gems. Look them up. Now consider for a moment...these comments surrounding Lorenzo. You can imagine the rage that still surrounds Marquez--the architect of the heist against Rossi. Make no mistake, boppers are still insane and still very much angry. Its like every time they're reminded of it all the rage comes back.

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Unbelievable. You and others are called "haters" for disagreeing with an unproveable and almost certainly false narrative, but actual genuine hatred is apparently justifiable on the basis of that narrative. Paparazzo is mild compared to some of the transient boppers swearing eternal hatred of MM post-Sepang and guaranteeing no further achievement of his would garner him any recognition, wishing him injury etc. I give Paps credit for staying here and fighting his corner as I have said, but a recent quote from him on the "Rossi rules" thread is emblematic of the attitude, which he has in only a mild form compared to hard-core "boppers". I quote:

"or maybe earlier if raging Marc crashes him and injures him, which I am sure will happen cause some 'small ....... .......' is vindictive and vengeful, kinda like many on here".

Like all of this an inversion of the real events, where Rossi crashed MM out at Sepang, by a self-admitted deliberate non-racing move on that occasion, after also crashing him out in a race earlier in the season although that was mainly due to an error of judgement by MM imo. MM whatever his past record crashed out precisely zero other riders this year, and his vindictive and vengeful behaviour apparently includes him both beating Lorenzo at PI and not beating him at Valencia while racing fast and cleanly on both occasions.

I include an actual quote from Rossi actually posted by a Rossi fan in paparazzo and considered entirely appropriate by him calling MM a "small ....... .......', not bad for a guy in VR who has not said anything inflammatory about MM J4rn0, even apart from him having totally impugned MM's integrity in regard to both the PI and Valencia races.

JPSLotus said:

Every news article I see regarding MM/VR that allows for comments has fans still screaming about what a piece of .... MM "really is".

They aren't letting it go.

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michaelm said:

Sorry J4rn0, this particular thing is probably exaggerated/publicity seeking, but this level of hatred for other riders is the preserve of Rossi fans. Even the guy you consider the biggest "hater" on here in Jumkie restricts himself to verbal sallies, and has no desire to set fire to VR's lawn, and I am sure would not consider spitting actual saliva at Rossi fans let alone Rossi himself, which is what actually happened to Casey Stoner at a charity event no less.

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Jumkie said:

If you read the comments section in most articles regarding Lorenzo, even the one as seemingly benign as his switch of helmet brands, you will read boppers rage. There are some gems. Look them up. Now consider for a moment...these comments surrounding Lorenzo. You can imagine the rage that still surrounds Marquez--the architect of the heist against Rossi. Make no mistake, boppers are still insane and still very much angry. Its like every time they're reminded of it all the rage comes back.

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Do you guys realize that some posters on the forums you're referring to are pimple-faced 8 y/o kids? Other posts are from people trolling just to get a reaction. There is a BIG difference between posting on crash.net that you're mad about the 2015 Championship, and actually causing a legitimate safety concern at a MotoGP event. Nobody here is new to the internet, we all know people say ridiculous things because of the anonymity the internet provides. Those same people would be scared to make the their comments to anyone's face.

This isn't ISIS declaring themselves Rossi fans and are planning to behead a MM fan every day until Marc admits to assisting Lorenzo.

This is entire thing is something you're exaggerating in your mind. You refuse to let it die because, hell what else will you talk about for the rest of the off-season. You create the demand for off-season drama and certain media outlets will feed that demand.

The Italian MM fanclub are attention seekers.

michaelm said:

I include actual quote from Rossi actually posted by a Rossi fan and considered entirely appropriate by that fan of VR calling MM a "small ....... .......', not bad for a guy in VR who has not said anything inflammatory about MM J4rn0, even apart from him having totally impugned MM's integrity in regard to both the PI and Valencia races.

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Mick, it was not Papp so much as he was probably quoting this




The interview was well before the Sepang incident but (IMO ONly) the term used in the reply is extremely interesting


Edit. Read some of the comments for examples of yellow fever

moto vudu said:

Do you guys realize that some posters on the forums you're referring to are pimple-faced 8 y/o kids? Other posts are from people trolling just to get a reaction. There is a BIG difference between posting on crash.net that you're mad about the 2015 Championship, and actually causing a legitimate safety concern at a MotoGP event. Nobody here is new to the internet, we all know people say ridiculous things because of the anonymity the internet provides. Those same people would be scared to make the their comments to anyone's face.

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True Moto, but only to a degree as we have seen alleged VR fan members try to gain access to the HRC pits in order to express displeasure and we also have seen a person from the VR garage (the Helmet guy?) walk into the HRC pit to remonstrate with Marquez and team.

So whilst the vast majority of people will do nothing other than likely boo and make an uncomfortable environment, there will due to the vast number and nature of VR fans be some who will conduct themselves in a poor manner, perhaps dangerous or threatening.

Yes many of the posters may be 8 year olds as you say, but at the same time many of the posts are from so called adults who are level headed individuals within the business and personal life, but have succumbed to the cult and just as with some football fans, where you have a mob you can get a mob mentality than makes the 'average' Joe a bloodthirsty ........ as he gains strength in numbers.

moto vudu said:

The Italian MM fanclub are attention seekers.

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This I do not doubt, just as I do not doubt that there is a message that they are trying to send and just as I do not doubt that there are some who subscribe to the Rossi cult that will feel very justified in taking the law into their own hands as they are unable to separate fact from reality where it comes to Rossi.




Sad as it may be, it seems true ................... MotoGP now has football hooliganism concerns .

moto vudu said:

Do you guys realize that some posters on the forums you're referring to are pimple-faced 8 y/o kids? Other posts are from people trolling just to get a reaction. There is a BIG difference between posting on crash.net that you're mad about the 2015 Championship, and actually causing a legitimate safety concern at a MotoGP event. Nobody here is new to the internet, we all know people say ridiculous things because of the anonymity the internet provides. Those same people would be scared to make the their comments to anyone's face.

This isn't ISIS declaring themselves Rossi fans and are planning to behead a MM fan every day until Marc admits to assisting Lorenzo.

This is entire thing is something you're exaggerating in your mind. You refuse to let it die because, hell what else will you talk about for the rest of the off-season. You create the demand for off-season drama and certain media outlets will feed that demand.

The Italian MM fanclub are attention seekers.

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So they were Nicky Hayden fans who spat at Stoner at the UK charity event were they, and 8 year olds who staked out MM's house and came to the HRC pits to remonstrate.?

None of the people to whom you take exception on here would even consider such a thing, or wish injury on any motogp rider. That VR has so many 8 year old fans, or more to the point so many fans with the attitude of an 8 year old, is precisely the problem. I formerly did not blame him for this, but after the events of late season 2015 when he went out of his way to incite that element of his fans against MM, and specifically called them off in regard to Iannone, I now regard him as fully complicit.

"Italian" Marquez fans you say .......

Hahahahahaaa ...

Smacks of more manipulative Bopper ........ to me.