Indy practice quali and predictions

Geonerd said:

I'd take that on the chin if it were coming from Kesh or Arrab, or one of a few others. But coming from you, I can only laugh.



Talpa (THE Talpa, and none other!) is now the judge of intellect and common sense? Damn, people, his forum is more ...... than I imagined possible!

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don't be afraid to let the door smack you on the back of the head on the way out........

chopperman said:

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Sounds like your laying the blame for the crap show on VR to me !

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I'm not. That is a stupid suggestion.



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Rossi will retire one day, and by then, we should have better racing.[/background][/font]







By which I mean that there has to be better racing by the time Rossi retires. Until then, they (Dorna and the fans) will look to him to keep the interest in the sport.



I have made my position perfectly clear a number of times. The problem is Honda and the MSMA. They have no stake in exciting racing, they want it all stitched up to use the results in their marketing. Losing is not an option, so they exclude other factories by raising costs.

Kropotkin said:

I'm not. That is a stupid suggestion.



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Rossi will retire one day, and by then, we should have better racing.[/background][/font]







By which I mean that there has to be better racing by the time Rossi retires. Until then, they (Dorna and the fans) will look to him to keep the interest in the sport.



I have made my position perfectly clear a number of times. The problem is Honda and the MSMA. They have no stake in exciting racing, they want it all stitched up to use the results in their marketing. Losing is not an option, so they exclude other factories by raising costs.

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WE All hope

my problem is i have no faith in it happening with the same ppl in general still running it and trusting them to make the rules that will give more competition on a level playing field

and when Rossi has retired in a few yrs wont we have the same situation though but with say.Marc.or Jorge calling the shots

Back to Square 1

Geonerd said:

LOL! So says the "Borderline ...... with strong bullying tendencies."

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Says the man who has not posted an opinion on the subject but rather just attack members with childish insults !

Kropotkin said:

I'm not. That is a stupid suggestion.



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Rossi will retire one day, and by then, we should have better racing.[/background][/font]







By which I mean that there has to be better racing by the time Rossi retires. Until then, they (Dorna and the fans) will look to him to keep the interest in the sport.

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Stupid you say?? Well i notice you don't give you opinion as to why the racing will be better after Rossi. Sorry i don't do mind reading and i don't blindly swallow .... just because a poster in in the business of feeding it ! I took your post for the words you typed, not the thoughts in your head. Don't worry though mate, there's plenty here will support you regardless over little old me

Could the racing be better whilst Rossi is still racing.

ie is it just Honda/MSMA or is Rossi & Ezpeleta a factor too.





Is Indy the worst race or track of the season?

Kropotkin said:

I am not blaming a competitor for all of MotoGP's ills. In fact, if it wasn't for that competitor, the series would be in a much, much worse state (or ironically, better, because it would have imploded earlier). I completely agree that MotoGP is ...... because of the rule changes and formula changes. You know who wanted those changes? The MSMA. Honda. That's who's to blame. I actually like the MotoVR tag because it demonstrates MotoGP's weakness, one man has brought all of the entertainment, through charisma and performance, especially in the years when he could afford to play with the competition. That got harder when he faced riders who were his equal, and became impossible when his hubris led him to take the Ducati ride. MotoGP 2011 style is pure prototype racing: boring as ..... 2012 is only fractionally better.



What is clear is that you are attributing an agenda to me I do not have. You are drawing me into an argument which you are having with other members of this forum (who are equally blinkered) and assigning me a side. I'll pick my own side thanks.

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Krop i understand exactly what your trying to say makes sense to me, pretty easy actually except for certain ppl here have drank too much Kooaid over the years there brains are ...... up.. Anyway didnt you know that Rog, Talpa, Nino, Goatboy Know Evey Fucken Thing

Will Indy be on next years calendar?

Kropotkin said:

I have made my position perfectly clear a number of times. The problem is Honda and the MSMA. They have no stake in exciting racing, they want it all stitched up to use the results in their marketing. Losing is not an option, so they exclude other factories by raising costs.

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That was always going to be the case once two strokes were dropped. So the worst rule change was the introduction of four strokes?



IMO the worst rule change was to spec tires. Used to get surprises both in qual and races back when riders could gamble on tires.

Kropotkin said:

Patience, my friend, patience. The MSMA has bled the series dry, this is what you get when the lunatics run the asylum. Sadly, Dorna aren't much better, but the plan they have is improved. Rossi will retire one day, and by then, we should have better racing. But the best riders on unobtainium prototype machines with tires that don't wear out automatically means 4 competitive bikes and riders, the rest rocking around miles off the pace. It's going to be just as ugly next year (when you will get your MotoVR), but 2014 or 2015 should be better.

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Rossi will retire, Honda will not change their politics. So the biggest single source of MotoGP problems is going to stay.

Rossi has been the only individual in the entire MotoGP world capable to stand up against Honda and make them lose face. That did contribute to the show greatly, didn't it.



That's where Valentino really built his legend. That's also why Honda accelerated the steps to make the rider less relevant, with the unobtainium prototypes (now, that is good one ); but that escalation is not Rossi's fault. He denounced the 800cc and fuel limits and excess of electronics etc. since the beginning.



The de facto alliance between Dorna and Rossi is there because they happen to have a common foe (Honda, or MSMA if we do not want to be too direct) and a common goal (spectacular racing), it's not a plot "to make Rossi win" but to make the series spectacular, and if that is achieved Dorna certainly doesn't care who wins; but the MotoVR conspirationists do not understand that, and by attacking Rossi and Ezpeleta just play in Honda's hands.

Well, that was a bad trip!









First of all, I'd like to take full responsibility for my outburst and place all of the blame on Wilski, Chopperman, and Rossi (everything is his fault, right). .......s forced me to fly back with a bottle of some .... called Absinthe.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

Absinthe has often been portrayed as a dangerously addictive psychoactive drug.[7] The chemical compound thujone, although present in the spirit in only trace amounts, was blamed for its alleged harmful effects. By 1915, absinthe had been banned in the United States and in much of Europe, including France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Although absinthe was vilified, it has not been demonstrated to be any more dangerous than ordinary spirits. Any psychoactive properties attributed to absinthe, apart from that of the alcohol, have been much exaggerated.[7]

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I can tell you from experience, it is NOT exaggerated. If you've never drank it, take it from me, stay away from it! Kropo, I owe you a public apology (I got my helmet on of course). Consider it a compliment I thought about you to direct some of my venting. Powerslide members, I also owe you guys an apology too. Homos, I owe you guys an apology, as I use the word "...." and "gay" in the 'gay sense, not the homesexual sense. Ben, can we get a breathalizer app for my iPhone? Maybe a 'don't make a fool of yourself stop app', we can call it the 'don't be a jumkie' app.



So a bit of background if you care to read, otherwise, skip to the end, as I already said my peace above. On my recent visit to the Glorious Island (no not Australia, obviously Great Britain) Wilski had the pea brain idea to visit Chops, who greeted me with a bottle of Absinthe. Hence why you should blame them. Chops taught me how to properly prepare this evil satanic "beverage" (seriously, look it up, you ever heard of the founder of the Church of Satan, Aleister Crowley, well he drank the stuff). Anyway, so a French way and a Chek way (I may be wrong, but whatever). The one where you set the spirits on fire over some sugar cubes, that is the one you should never try. Why? Because the caramelized sugar tricks your taste buds into poisoning yourself with too much because it tastes so good (oh, don't break out the bottle after you've drank beer, as your inhibitions will already be down). Honestly, just don't ever drink the stuff and avoid the hell after. I've drank tequila, and this was not like being drunk, it was like being 'out your ....... mind'. I suppose you guys deserve some kind of explanation, so there you have it.



In my post self analysis, its interesting to me that it was here on PS where the synapses of my alter state of mind obviously decided to "frape" my usually even keel nice-guy personality and appeared as a preposterous alter ego. Other than my horrific post, there was no other harm done, save soiling the carpet where I awoke. Thats right, I didn't drive drunk, or accost some unsuspecting person, or call a former girlfriend, or kick the dog. I almost made it without incident, but minutes after I was driven home, moments before I fell to sleep in the place I stood, my absurd state of mind directed me to take out my phone and say hello to my PS family. Except, that's when the 'green fairy' appeared, and what otherwise would have been a "I love you man post" turned into a "F al of you and whats wrong with my beloved sport". So, maybe consider it a compliment I thought about you guys. I cant go beyond much of an explanation, except that when I woke up later to the buzz of my cell phone I realized my mistake (CaliKid calling me at 5:30AM to wake up and join him at the 'pub' to watch the Southampton Saints soccer club season opener in the Premier League (or is it the Champions League, whatever). Obviously, I was in no condition to go drinking as I muddled incoherently, he did ask me if I had lost my ....... mind, which apparently, I had. I've imposed a self ban on myself. It may last a day or more, maybe a week, a month. Who knows.







Oh, Barry, you're still a .... though. But the more mild UK version of .... this time. Hey, thats an improvement, right...

look on the bright side. At least you still have both ears attached. You do still have both ears attached right? It was the Green fairy that told Van Gough to cut one of his off

Jum..... that is gold.

I've been looking forward to the debrief, and once again you have not disappointed.

I've been on an Absynthe bender, and everything Jum has said is true (scary but true). I was on autopilot for about 24 hours, and apparently had the best night of my life (think 'The Hangover').

J4rn0 said:

Rossi will retire, Honda will not change their politics. So the biggest single source of MotoGP problems is going to stay.

Rossi has been the only individual in the entire MotoGP world capable to stand up against Honda and make them lose face. That did contribute to the show greatly, didn't it.



That's where Valentino really built his legend. That's also why Honda accelerated the steps to make the rider less relevant, with the unobtainium prototypes (now, that is good one

); but that escalation is not Rossi's fault. He denounced the 800cc and fuel limits and excess of electronics etc. since the beginning.



The de facto alliance between Dorna and Rossi is there because they happen to have a common foe (Honda, or MSMA if we do not want to be too direct) and a common goal (spectacular racing), it's not a plot "to make Rossi win" but to make the series spectacular, and if that is achieved Dorna certainly doesn't care who wins; but the MotoVR conspirationists do not understand that, and by attacking Rossi and Ezpeleta just play in Honda's hands.

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Spoilt rich little primadonna's ruined motogp more than Honda. Honda, as I remember them, only want to build fire breathing rip snorting bikes. It was only when little Pedro and Puig came along with the other sissy's that we ended up with these fluffy electronics TC bikes. Thats why it was so important to them to get rid of Hayden, he was encouraging Honda to go the rip snorting route.



The 80's and 90's were great because we could plainly see how good riders really were. Then came the primadonna's era: Biaggi, Gibernau, Rossi, Pedrosa, Marquez. We are talking riders that are so well backed they can change the rules of the game. Biaggi got it all started. He cried the Honda had too much power, he cried when McCoy beat him on a privateer Yamaha, he cried about Rossi. Now Rossi cries just like Biaggi, but still has the influence to do what the likes of McCoy and Roberts Jnr couldnt when they raced against Rossi. Its been contrived for a long time, I'm surprised people are only just realising it now.



I guess Marquez like Rossi having so much backing he can change the rules is just a bit too much for people. Dissappointing people like Krop still think this is ok, Marquez is just so special and continue to blame everything on Honda. None of these guys would do .... if they took the out the fluffy engines and put in the real ones, like Ducati do. It would return the power to riders from countries which dont suit the sponsors, and we cant have that can we?

All good Jumks.....and was all taken in jest (NB: we were laughing at you tho not with you).



Glad you apologised to Krop....that flaming he got was unwarranted.



Say hi to the green fairy for me

^^ good post birdman.

Ahh Absinthe. She can be a devilish mistress.



Worst for me, after a big one; I was woken by my mother. Completely naked. On her lounge. My home was over 5 km away. Still to this day haven't found my clothes.



These days I prefer a couple of drops of wormwood extract with some vodka. Very occasionally, always in moderation.

barbedwirebiker said:

Ahh Absinthe. She can be a devilish mistress.



Worst for me, after a big one; I was woken by my mother. Completely naked. On her lounge. My home was over 5 km away. Still to this day haven't found my clothes.



These days I prefer a couple of drops of wormwood extract with some vodka. Very occasionally, always in moderation.

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Wormwood Adverse Reactions



Thujone produces a state of excitement and is a powerful convulsant. Ingestion of wormwood may result in absinthism, a syndrome characterized by digestive disorders, thirst, restlessness, vertigo, trembling of the limbs, numbness of the extremities, loss of intellect, delirium, paralysis, and death.

Toxicology



Wormwood is classified as an unsafe herb by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) because of the neurotoxic potential of thujone and its derivatives. The safety of wormwood is poorly documented despite its long history as a food additive. Convulsions, dermatitis, and renal failure have been documented.

Nice work jums, although did u realise u made that post or did u stumble across whilst reading?!



I know where ur coming from, i used to have a nasty habit of getting pissed then sending emails to people/ companies that gave me the ....., culminating in a filthy letter to the Vatican and the pope regarding the date of Easter that particular year......

digger said:

gave me the ....., culminating in a filthy letter to the Vatican and the pope regarding the date of Easter that particular year......

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