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Iannone's Kamikaze Thread

It will most definitely point out Lorenzos flaws if he fails at Ducati. It just won't help Stoner either that he came at the same time this went down. Dovi and AI having "successful" result don't help either. Lets not forget that Ducati has a clear electronics advantage this year help their results.

The likelihood is that Honda will get their bike right, MM will win 5 titles in a row, and all talk of the development ability of other riders, even Rossi, will become rather irrelevant.

But please convince Stoner of your view of things for JPS's and my sake, it might prompt him to wildcard at PI this year.
 
The likelihood is that Honda will get their bike right, MM will win 5 titles in a row, and all talk of the development ability of other riders, even Rossi, will become rather irrelevant.

But please convince Stoner of your view of things for JPS's and my sake, it might prompt him to wildcard at PI this year.

I agree unless Maverick is capable of riding the yamaha the way Rossi and Lorenzo have. But that'll take a couple years. But it won't be a Ducati.
 
Lorenzo is going to fail on the Ducati, and it's not going to have anything to do with Stoner. It's going to have to do with the fact that Lorenzo needs a bike that gives him full confidence in maintaining a high corner speed. The Desmosedici's cornering speed has been vastly improved from what Stoner had to ride years ago, but it's still not a ride-on-rails bike. People assume Lorenzo is going to win races on the Ducati, but this has been said every year since Rossi went there for 2011. Last year everyone thought Ducati was going to finally win a race. It never happened. This year was the same thing, but they aren't winning. They blew it with their window.

I think Ducati went after Stoner as a test rider because they are hoping he will somehow take pity on them and decide to wild card, or even race. I don't see either happening. The only thing he is doing is riding their street bikes. Since the Losail test, he hasn't ridden the Desmo. He's got very little to do with this bike.

I agree with the Lorenzo bit.....Lorenzo is the new Biaggi with more titles....if the bike, tyres, track, and weather arent perfect for his style then he doesn't win.....Last weekend was the perfect example of that....JLo will serve his 2 years at Ducati and hope to the second seat at HRC in 2019....

And regarding Stoner.....Ducati hired him to sell bikes....they needed a star and a legend in their corner.....nothing more....

If Ducati trust Stoner to develop or test the JLo Ducati then JLo will suffer even more for it....due to JLo cornering / riding on rails style and needs vs Casey's more loose style....
 
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The Desmo doesn't have the stability the M1 does. It's a much looser bike and requires more adaptability from the rider. It's capable of being a very fast bike, as Iannone has shown, or even Stoner himself showed.

It's been said for ages that the engine is the problem in the Ducati GP bike, it's length prevents ideal positioning in the frame.
 
Lorenzo is going to fail on the Ducati, and it's not going to have anything to do with Stoner. It's going to have to do with the fact that Lorenzo needs a bike that gives him full confidence in maintaining a high corner speed. The Desmosedici's cornering speed has been vastly improved from what Stoner had to ride years ago, but it's still not a ride-on-rails bike. People assume Lorenzo is going to win races on the Ducati, but this has been said every year since Rossi went there for 2011. Last year everyone thought Ducati was going to finally win a race. It never happened. This year was the same thing, but they aren't winning. They blew it with their window.

I think Ducati went after Stoner as a test rider because they are hoping he will somehow take pity on them and decide to wild card, or even race. I don't see either happening. The only thing he is doing is riding their street bikes. Since the Losail test, he hasn't ridden the Desmo. He's got very little to do with this bike.

Dovi was tenths off winning in 2015, and close to winning in 2016, both at Qatar. Iannone almost won at Phillip Island in 2015.

Surely Lorenzo can do better than Dovi and Iannone?
 
The Yamaha Lorenzo is the apotheosis of a rider capable of finding balance between looseness and speed in every single corner of the track, without a particularly high peak but with enough constance to make him unbeatable in most tracks if alternative weather and/or track conditions don't come to .... up his inner zen-ish metronome.

Of course he won't be able to duplicate, not even remotely, this peculiar style nor the level of perfection achieved with it at Yamaha. If he or his mechanics start with that objective, the failure will be miserable. What he can try to do is to make the Ducati just one tiny bit more ridable in corners. It will be a massive challenge cause he'll have to put aside the level of perfectionism and control he can now afford to expect, put his hands on the dirty muds and work with them to make magic. I'm not sure he'll win in the two years he has but I'm quite confident Lorenzo's permanence at Ducati will finally give a proper and stable identity to the bike, something which not even Stoner was able to give. That bike needs discipline more than anything else, and no one is as disciplined as Jorge.

Besides, the simple image - which now seems so odd or at least unusual - to see Jorge smoking everyone's ... on straights like it's nothing... is exciting. Jorge's cornering + Desmo straight. To quote Frankenstein Junior by Brooks: "it could work". Why not?
 
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The Yamaha Lorenzo is the apotheosis of a rider capable of finding balance between looseness and speed in every single corner of the track, without a particularly high peak but with enough constance to make him unbeatable in most tracks if alternative weather and/or track conditions don't come to .... up his inner zen-ish metronome.

Of course he won't be able to duplicate, not even remotely, this peculiar style nor the level of perfection achieved with it at Yamaha. If he or his mechanics start with that objective, the failure will be miserable. What he can try to do is to make the Ducati just one tiny bit more ridable in corners. It will be a massive challenge cause he'll have to put aside the level of perfectionism and control he can now afford to expect, put his hands on the dirty muds and work with them to make magic. I'm not sure he'll win in the two years he has but I'm quite confident Lorenzo's permanence at Ducati will finally give a proper and stable identity to the bike, something which not even Stoner was able to give. That bike needs discipline more than anything else, and no one is as disciplined as Jorge.

Besides, the simple image - which now seems so odd or at least unusual - to see Jorge smoking everyone's ... on straights like it's nothing... is exciting. Jorge's cornering + Desmo straight. To quote Frankenstein Junior by Brooks: "it could work". Why not?
I disagree his peak is not high.
 
The Yamaha Lorenzo is the apotheosis of a rider capable of finding balance between looseness and speed in every single corner of the track, without a particularly high peak but with enough constance to make him unbeatable in most tracks if alternative weather and/or track conditions don't come to .... up his inner zen-ish metronome.

Of course he won't be able to duplicate, not even remotely, this peculiar style nor the level of perfection achieved with it at Yamaha. If he or his mechanics start with that objective, the failure will be miserable. What he can try to do is to make the Ducati just one tiny bit more ridable in corners. It will be a massive challenge cause he'll have to put aside the level of perfectionism and control he can now afford to expect, put his hands on the dirty muds and work with them to make magic. I'm not sure he'll win in the two years he has but I'm quite confident Lorenzo's permanence at Ducati will finally give a proper and stable identity to the bike, something which not even Stoner was able to give. That bike needs discipline more than anything else, and no one is as disciplined as Jorge.

Besides, the simple image - which now seems so odd or at least unusual - to see Jorge smoking everyone's ... on straights like it's nothing... is exciting. Jorge's cornering + Desmo straight. To quote Frankenstein Junior by Brooks: "it could work". Why not?

It is all very optimistic of you....Gigi better make a big leap forward this year before JLo arrives else it will be a long 2017....

How long do we think it will take for Jorge to get in sync with his new crew chief and mechanics?

Keep in mind it doesnt look like any of this team is going with JLo to Ducati.

MotoGP News - MotoGP: Jorge Lorenzo?s crew chief to stay at Yamaha, with Vinales
 
Keep in mind it doesnt look like any of this team is going with JLo to Ducati.
This could be the sign of a disaster coming OR the very key to total or relative success. If there's one thing the Rossi Ducati adventure shows is: while a total gamble might pay off one time out of ten, an half-assed gamble never pays.
 
It is all very optimistic of you....Gigi better make a big leap forward this year before JLo arrives else it will be a long 2017....



How long do we think it will take for Jorge to get in sync with his new crew chief and mechanics?



Keep in mind it doesnt look like any of this team is going with JLo to Ducati.



MotoGP News - MotoGP: Jorge Lorenzo?s crew chief to stay at Yamaha, with Vinales



I thought his head mechanic was going with him and his crew chief was staying at Yamaha? Not that one guy is going to make the transition any easier.

I honestly can even make a guess on how JL will do next year. There are just so many unknowns... Waiting for Qatar 2017 with great anticipation .

A little off topic, but as a Yank, I find the way MotoGP works it's contracts as odd. Does any other sport have drivers/athletes competing most of the season with one team, knowing they are going to a rival team the following year? I can't think of any.

Imagine Tom Brady telling the Pats, I will finish out 2017, but I have already signed with X team for 2018.. Just odd...


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I will not use Qatar 2017 as a reference point for Lorenzo as with the official GP test taking place there a couple of weeks before the race, it's hardly an indicator of how the season is going to unfold. Any track that doubles as a testing and race circuit gives the teams a better chance of dialing in the opportune settings for that track. It's what you do at the rest of the circuits that paints the whole picture.
 
Lorenzo's career is over.

All the riders exist in Rossi’s world-- a hostile environment. Trying to mitigate it is a trade off of varying degrees of career detriment.
 
Let's just hope ianone doesn't hurt himself or someone else. He maybe fast sometimes but duc made the right decision keeping dovi I reckon.

I used to like his style, but now I just think he doesn't have a brain. I hate the way he waits for a tow in quali also.

Thought forcada might have gone with Lorenzo, I just think 99 is completely ...... off by yam and have a feeling it might affect his racing this yr.
 
Lorenzo's career is over.

All the riders exist in Rossi’s world-- a hostile environment. Trying to mitigate it is a trade off of varying degrees of career detriment.



Maybe a bit to early for all the career over, doomsday, apocalyptic projections.

Will he be 2nd in points after 7 races in 2017. Probably not. Will he have a win, not sure, probably 50/50. But I can't see him disappearing completely.

Ducs have won in the past, and JL is as good has anyone that has rode it, so I think it will be interesting season.


But don't get me wrong. Totally think it was a mistake leaving Yamaha!

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Maybe a bit to early for all the career over, doomsday, apocalyptic projections.

Will he be 2nd in points after 7 races in 2017. Probably not. Will he have a win, not sure, probably 50/50. But I can't see him disappearing completely.

Ducs have won in the past, and JL is as good has anyone that has rode it, so I think it will be interesting season.


But don't get me wrong. Totally think it was a mistake leaving Yamaha!

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Brotha, it's as painful to me as it is for you. But let's face it, Lorenzo's career is representative of this photo. He's ...... by the Italianos.

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Career over.

He won't be a title contender. And he won't have Carmelo Clause to artificially prop him up for the sport's consumption. Cue yellow smoke.
 
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Thought forcada might have gone with Lorenzo, I just think 99 is completely ...... off by yam and have a feeling it might affect his racing this yr.

Perhaps Forcada wants the challenge to bring Maverick along to be Champion...instead of trying to win with Lorenzo on the Duc....


If Lorenzo doesnt win on the Duc, and he cant get back into Yamaha at the end of 2019 then he will retire...
 
I'm definitely NOT counting Lorenzo out on the Duc. Things are much different now in the Ducati team and with backing from Audi, there is no excuse for them not to provide Lorenzo with a bike that he can ride to his strengths.
 
I'm definitely NOT counting Lorenzo out on the Duc. Things are much different now in the Ducati team and with backing from Audi, there is no excuse for them not to provide Lorenzo with a bike that he can ride to his strengths.

You mean make the Duc into a Yamaha :)?

Didnt someone else already try to do that...?
 
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