<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 22 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Am I right in assuming these two of these names are Hayden and KrJr (who never raced AMA, only 250)?
No.
No.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 22 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can name 1 recent champ in the past 7 years who raced BSB.Mind naming this person?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 22 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if you have been involved in these discussions before, but it is not really fair to rate the AMA superbikes based on an era when there was no comparible series. Superbike racing didnt really get big untill the very end of the 80's, From that point on there has only been one GP champ bred from the superbike class.I'm not the one picking that particular timeframe. If phleg wants to pad his timeframe, he should really avoid making it so large that he starts adding more superbike-bred champs. In any case, 10 of the last 14 world championships in the premier class went to two people anyway, so there's not exactly a ton of GP champs coming out of any class.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 22 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if you have been involved in these discussions before, but it is not really fair to rate the AMA superbikes based on an era when there was no comparible series. Superbike racing didnt really get big untill the very end of the 80's, From that point on there has only been one GP champ bred from the superbike class.I'm not the one picking that particular timeframe. If phleg wants to pad his timeframe, he should really avoid making it so large that he starts adding more superbike-bred champs. In any case, 10 of the last 14 world championships in the premier class went to two people anyway, so there's not exactly a ton of GP champs coming out of any class.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mind naming this person?
Casey Stoner, although to be precise, which I admit I should have been, raced in British 125 (which is run alongside BSB).
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Riders who have entered from 1990 onwards and have been AMA and Motogp champion, I can name as Hayden.
Casey Stoner, although to be precise, which I admit I should have been, raced in British 125 (which is run alongside BSB).
awaits an onslaught from Jumkie for an error
Riders who have entered from 1990 onwards and have been AMA and Motogp champion, I can name as Hayden.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 22 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey Stoner, although to be precise, which I admit I should have been, raced in British 125 (which is run alongside BSB).125s are most certainly not superbikes. Sorry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 22 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riders who have entered from 1990 onwards and have been AMA and Motogp champion, I can name as Hayden.That's not what you said initially. You specified neither the requirement to be AMA champ nor the requirement that they start competing in GPs from 1990 and onwards rather than just participate in them during that time frame. In any case you're cutting the pool down to 5 total champions at that point. Hardly a large pool there. Only one 250cc champion the group as well, for whatever that's worth. 2 125 champs! Maybe that's the way to go!
I mean seriously, so 250s and 125s suck at making championship riders too? After all, in the past 18 years only 1 250 champ has entered the premier championship and won and only 2 125 champs have done so.
At some point you're producing numbers so overcooked and manipulated that they're pretty much worthless. By the argument that you use to discredit the AMA there's maybe one credible class - 125. Everything else is as bad or worse than AMA, by that measure. It's just pointless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 22 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riders who have entered from 1990 onwards and have been AMA and Motogp champion, I can name as Hayden.That's not what you said initially. You specified neither the requirement to be AMA champ nor the requirement that they start competing in GPs from 1990 and onwards rather than just participate in them during that time frame. In any case you're cutting the pool down to 5 total champions at that point. Hardly a large pool there. Only one 250cc champion the group as well, for whatever that's worth. 2 125 champs! Maybe that's the way to go!
I mean seriously, so 250s and 125s suck at making championship riders too? After all, in the past 18 years only 1 250 champ has entered the premier championship and won and only 2 125 champs have done so.
At some point you're producing numbers so overcooked and manipulated that they're pretty much worthless. By the argument that you use to discredit the AMA there's maybe one credible class - 125. Everything else is as bad or worse than AMA, by that measure. It's just pointless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 22 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha. Ok, so now we ca NOT call on people's ........ based on age right? Ok, no problem. I'll make you a deal, don't say stupid ...., and I promise not to call you on it. Look, if you're gonna make bold statements like: Superbikers are .... as a whole (WSBK or AMA), Kevin Schwantz is "overrated", Hopkins would win a "title" (no less) "without a fuss", human advancement has been achieved by "greed", why the big fuss that a Black man was jeered at a sport event, all Spanish riders are bla, bla, bal, etc. etc., then expect some resistance to the contrary, yes; that includes saying you are “wrong”.
So does youth give you a pass to say such things? Anybody else you'd like to defend Phleg?
Ok, last entry for me on this thread.
Back on topic: all is speculation about Hayden, we will know soon enough as the season pans out.
I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
So does youth give you a pass to say such things? Anybody else you'd like to defend Phleg?
Ok, last entry for me on this thread.
Back on topic: all is speculation about Hayden, we will know soon enough as the season pans out.
I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not the one picking that particular timeframe. If phleg wants to pad his timeframe, he should really avoid making it so large that he starts adding more superbike-bred champs. In any case, 10 of the last 14 world championships in the premier class went to two people anyway, so there's not exactly a ton of GP champs coming out of any class.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 22 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>125s are most certainly not superbikes. Sorry.
That's not what you said initially. You specified neither the requirement to be AMA champ nor the requirement that they start competing in GPs from 1990 and onwards rather than just participate in them during that time frame. In any case you're cutting the pool down to 5 total champions at that point. Hardly a large pool there. Only one 250cc champion the group as well, for whatever that's worth. 2 125 champs! Maybe that's the way to go!
I mean seriously, so 250s and 125s suck at making championship riders too? After all, in the past 18 years only 1 250 champ has entered the premier championship and won and only 2 125 champs have done so.
At some point you're producing numbers so overcooked and manipulated that they're pretty much worthless. By the argument that you use to discredit the AMA there's maybe one credible class - 125. Everything else is as bad or worse than AMA, by that measure. It's just pointless.
Good points regarding the numbers, i do feel that simply taking the champions won't give a full view of the situation, as riders as good as Rossi and Doohan can easily be considered anomalies. A clearer pattern can be found if the top 5 (for example) from the desired timeframe can be considered.
As i have mentioned in another thread, the time fram being used in this case was to allow the AMA superbikes offerings to be compared relative to other superbike series'. If the ideal conditioning of a rider for motogp is considered outright then the AMA's stength in the 80's cannot be overlooked as a past era. But then equally neither can the past era of british domination previous to that, or the recent-current trend of 250cc gp riders being the most qualified for motogp. It is a big subject
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 22 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>125s are most certainly not superbikes. Sorry.
That's not what you said initially. You specified neither the requirement to be AMA champ nor the requirement that they start competing in GPs from 1990 and onwards rather than just participate in them during that time frame. In any case you're cutting the pool down to 5 total champions at that point. Hardly a large pool there. Only one 250cc champion the group as well, for whatever that's worth. 2 125 champs! Maybe that's the way to go!
I mean seriously, so 250s and 125s suck at making championship riders too? After all, in the past 18 years only 1 250 champ has entered the premier championship and won and only 2 125 champs have done so.
At some point you're producing numbers so overcooked and manipulated that they're pretty much worthless. By the argument that you use to discredit the AMA there's maybe one credible class - 125. Everything else is as bad or worse than AMA, by that measure. It's just pointless.
Good points regarding the numbers, i do feel that simply taking the champions won't give a full view of the situation, as riders as good as Rossi and Doohan can easily be considered anomalies. A clearer pattern can be found if the top 5 (for example) from the desired timeframe can be considered.
As i have mentioned in another thread, the time fram being used in this case was to allow the AMA superbikes offerings to be compared relative to other superbike series'. If the ideal conditioning of a rider for motogp is considered outright then the AMA's stength in the 80's cannot be overlooked as a past era. But then equally neither can the past era of british domination previous to that, or the recent-current trend of 250cc gp riders being the most qualified for motogp. It is a big subject
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
Opinions are just that. They are neither valid or invalid. If they were valid then they'd be known to be correct (facts), if invalid then they'd be known to be incorrect.
BTW I think your comment about your opinions being "beyond the limit of your understanding" came across as rather pompous. How do you know whether people disagree with your opinions on here because their level of understanding of the subject is less than yours? Suggest you look up "hubris", mate.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
Opinions are just that. They are neither valid or invalid. If they were valid then they'd be known to be correct (facts), if invalid then they'd be known to be incorrect.
BTW I think your comment about your opinions being "beyond the limit of your understanding" came across as rather pompous. How do you know whether people disagree with your opinions on here because their level of understanding of the subject is less than yours? Suggest you look up "hubris", mate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
WTF? What a knob.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
WTF? What a knob.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 23 2008, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Opinions are just that. They 1. are neither valid or invalid. If they were valid then they'd be known to be correct (facts), if invalid then they'd be known to be incorrect.
2. BTW I think your comment about your opinions being "beyond the limit of your understanding" came across as rather pompous. How do you know whether people disagree with your opinions on here because their level of understanding of the subject is less than yours? Suggest you look up "hubris", mate.
1. This is exactly my point
2. Thanks for the heads up, I was a little tired when i wrote this and the word was poorly chosen. I wasn't trying to make judgements about Jumkies knowledge, rather i was trying to acknowledge the limits of his empathy. My bad
2. BTW I think your comment about your opinions being "beyond the limit of your understanding" came across as rather pompous. How do you know whether people disagree with your opinions on here because their level of understanding of the subject is less than yours? Suggest you look up "hubris", mate.
1. This is exactly my point
2. Thanks for the heads up, I was a little tired when i wrote this and the word was poorly chosen. I wasn't trying to make judgements about Jumkies knowledge, rather i was trying to acknowledge the limits of his empathy. My bad
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
its called experience tom, something you lack ! you can have an opinion at any age and i will respect it but it doesnt make it fact. lately your posts in some threads have done nothing more than make you look like a "know it all spoiled kid" ,just my opinion.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
its called experience tom, something you lack ! you can have an opinion at any age and i will respect it but it doesnt make it fact. lately your posts in some threads have done nothing more than make you look like a "know it all spoiled kid" ,just my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its called experience tom, something you lack ! you can have an opinion at any age and i will respect it but it doesnt make it fact. lately your posts in some threads have done nothing more than make you look like a "know it all spoiled kid" ,just my opinion.
Thats fine man because you fit rather niceley in the catagory above, so your judgement is taken with a pinch of salt
peace
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its called experience tom, something you lack ! you can have an opinion at any age and i will respect it but it doesnt make it fact. lately your posts in some threads have done nothing more than make you look like a "know it all spoiled kid" ,just my opinion.
Thats fine man because you fit rather niceley in the catagory above, so your judgement is taken with a pinch of salt
peace
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats fine man because you fit rather niceley in the catagory above, so your judgement is taken with a pinch of salt
peace
the whole world is wrong and you alone are right tom !
peace
the whole world is wrong and you alone are right tom !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the whole world is wrong and you alone are right tom !
How do you expect anyone to take your teachings or offerings of wisdom seriously when they are presented with an attitude of a poor student. People who want to learn make the best teachers.
How do you expect anyone to take your teachings or offerings of wisdom seriously when they are presented with an attitude of a poor student. People who want to learn make the best teachers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How do you expect anyone to take your teachings or offerings of wisdom seriously when they are presented with an attitude of a poor student. People who want to learn make the best teachers.
no one is interested in teaching someone so arrogant.
no one is interested in teaching someone so arrogant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no one is interested in teaching someone so arrogant.
Sure, I suggest that my opinion is as valid as another members and you call me arrogant. I'm sorry if you feel like a natural order should exist where young people "know there place", but we are here on equal terms.
Sure, I suggest that my opinion is as valid as another members and you call me arrogant. I'm sorry if you feel like a natural order should exist where young people "know there place", but we are here on equal terms.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure, I suggest that my opinion is as valid as another members and you call me arrogant. I'm sorry if you feel like a natural order should exist where young people "know there place", but we are here on equal terms.
where did i mention age ? i just said you come across as a spoiled know it all kid. you try and convince us black is white then when we pick up on it you whine the older members dont take your opinion seriously because your young. its because you full of .... mate nothing to do with your age. theres plenty of young members here who are taken seriously ,because they
talk sense, take your greed is man kinds greatest thing comment or ago had no competition or Schwantz wasn't as good as he is cracked up to be (paraphrasing here of course). now its not that you said it that gets up my noise, its that people go to great lengths to explain why your wrong and all you do is twist what they say to try and keep your lame point going. that called arrogant . you are as bad as some of the usual trolls tom.
its you that has an inferiority complex because your young,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>you feel like a natural order should exist where young people "know there place",
where did i mention age ? i just said you come across as a spoiled know it all kid. you try and convince us black is white then when we pick up on it you whine the older members dont take your opinion seriously because your young. its because you full of .... mate nothing to do with your age. theres plenty of young members here who are taken seriously ,because they
talk sense, take your greed is man kinds greatest thing comment or ago had no competition or Schwantz wasn't as good as he is cracked up to be (paraphrasing here of course). now its not that you said it that gets up my noise, its that people go to great lengths to explain why your wrong and all you do is twist what they say to try and keep your lame point going. that called arrogant . you are as bad as some of the usual trolls tom.
its you that has an inferiority complex because your young,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>you feel like a natural order should exist where young people "know there place",
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did i mention age ? i just said you come across as a spoiled know it all kid. you try and convince us black is white then when we pick up on it you whine the older members dont take your opinion seriously because your young. its because you full of .... mate nothing to do with your age. theres plenty of young members here who are taken seriously ,because they
talk sense, take your greed is man kinds greatest thing comment or ago had no competition or Schwantz wasn't as good as he is cracked up to be (paraphrasing here of course). now its not that you said it that gets up my noise, its that people go to great lengths to explain why your wrong and all you do is twist what they say to try and keep your lame point going. that called arrogant . you are as bad as some of the usual trolls tom.
its you that has an inferiority complex because your young,
1. I'm not someone who is affraid of having the most popular opinion, so i don't mind one bit that you judge me because i don't say things you like.
2. I think ago is the best rider of all time, if you got the impression i thought otherwise there must be some confusion.
3. I maintain that those who are going to great lengths to explain that an opinion is wrong are the ones with an attitude problem and/or an inferiority complex.
talk sense, take your greed is man kinds greatest thing comment or ago had no competition or Schwantz wasn't as good as he is cracked up to be (paraphrasing here of course). now its not that you said it that gets up my noise, its that people go to great lengths to explain why your wrong and all you do is twist what they say to try and keep your lame point going. that called arrogant . you are as bad as some of the usual trolls tom.
its you that has an inferiority complex because your young,
1. I'm not someone who is affraid of having the most popular opinion, so i don't mind one bit that you judge me because i don't say things you like.
2. I think ago is the best rider of all time, if you got the impression i thought otherwise there must be some confusion.
3. I maintain that those who are going to great lengths to explain that an opinion is wrong are the ones with an attitude problem and/or an inferiority complex.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2008, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I reckognize that with our very different backgrounds and values that we will often have opinions that are not similar . When my opinions are beyond the limits of your understanding or you feel particularly strongly about them i can even understand that you may not respect them. But i would expect you of all people to respect somebodies right to an opinion and its validity.
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
For ..... sake Tom, chill out. If you were't so dismissive of other people's opinions, folk wouldn't get hacked off at you. It's not about age, it's showing people respect for their opinions, and knowledge, some of which are formed by years of following a sport. Do you tell your lecturers that they can't tell you about engineering just because they are older than you? Do you correct them with the power of Google?
Tom, you make some good points and arguements, but at the moment you just appear to be wanting to shout people down, and force your opinions on them.
Just Chill for ..... sake.
Pete
Also, i don't expect my age to give me "a pass" of any sort for being young but on several occasions you (and others) have attempted to use your age or "life experience" to increase the weight and value of your opinion over mine (and others). Don't expect these claims to be taken seriously if you plan on acting in a more narrow minded and childish than many members regardless of their age.
For ..... sake Tom, chill out. If you were't so dismissive of other people's opinions, folk wouldn't get hacked off at you. It's not about age, it's showing people respect for their opinions, and knowledge, some of which are formed by years of following a sport. Do you tell your lecturers that they can't tell you about engineering just because they are older than you? Do you correct them with the power of Google?
Tom, you make some good points and arguements, but at the moment you just appear to be wanting to shout people down, and force your opinions on them.
Just Chill for ..... sake.
Pete
So........
What about that Josh Herrin. Anyone catch the last AMA supersport race? That kids a stud.
What about that Josh Herrin. Anyone catch the last AMA supersport race? That kids a stud.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 23 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For ..... sake Tom, chill out. If you were't so dismissive of other people's opinions, folk wouldn't get hacked off at you. It's not about age, it's showing people respect for their opinions, and knowledge, some of which are formed by years of following a sport. Do you tell your lecturers that they can't tell you about engineering just because they are older than you? Do you correct them with the power of Google?
Tom, you make some good points and arguements, but at the moment you just appear to be wanting to shout people down, and force your opinions on them.
Just Chill for ..... sake.
Pete
Don't worry dude i'm plenty chilled
I don't feel as though i am particularly dismissive of peoples opinions, ultimately i am here to see what others think and why they think it. I will be mindful of this is future and make more effort to let people know that i am taking in what they say. However i would suggest that i am far less dismissive and disrespectful than people who actually state that another persons opinion is wrong. I'm not suggesting i'm faultless because i'm not the worst, but in this context i don't think it is a major issue.
I will admit that i appear to be shouting people down it is unintentional, I didn't even know i could be imposing. As you may have read from my posts before i am not here to win people over and make my opinons popular, i am here to discuss things. Some members on here join me in some reasonably stimulating discussions, usually because they too appreciate that an opinon is just that and enjoy challanging and understanding them. Perhaps my posts are read to be more forceful thant they are intended, i don't mean to upset people when i quetion them.
Tom, you make some good points and arguements, but at the moment you just appear to be wanting to shout people down, and force your opinions on them.
Just Chill for ..... sake.
Pete
Don't worry dude i'm plenty chilled
I don't feel as though i am particularly dismissive of peoples opinions, ultimately i am here to see what others think and why they think it. I will be mindful of this is future and make more effort to let people know that i am taking in what they say. However i would suggest that i am far less dismissive and disrespectful than people who actually state that another persons opinion is wrong. I'm not suggesting i'm faultless because i'm not the worst, but in this context i don't think it is a major issue.
I will admit that i appear to be shouting people down it is unintentional, I didn't even know i could be imposing. As you may have read from my posts before i am not here to win people over and make my opinons popular, i am here to discuss things. Some members on here join me in some reasonably stimulating discussions, usually because they too appreciate that an opinon is just that and enjoy challanging and understanding them. Perhaps my posts are read to be more forceful thant they are intended, i don't mean to upset people when i quetion them.
