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Hayden on Ducati for 2009?

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read this on cherry creek news, i nevr heard off the site before so not sure how acurate it is??
anyway here is the article:

http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/2981/2/


Many Ducatisti would like to see what nearly happened two years ago: Nickey Hayden riding a Ducati.

Kropotkin opines:

Conflicting reports are emerging from Italy about the future of Nicky Hayden in MotoGP. On the one hand, we have MotoGrandPrix.it, who are reporting that Hayden is close to signing a new 2-year contract with Repsol Honda. According to Alessio Piana, HRC is determined to avoid the fiascos of the last two years, during which both Nicky Hayden and Dani Pedrosa didn't sign their new contracts with Honda until the very last minute, leaving HRC with few other alternatives should the negotiations with the riders fail. As a consquence Honda wants to sign contracts early, and keep control of the situation in its own hands. In this view, Honda would want to close the negotiations with Hayden as early as possible, and try and keep the last man to win them a world title a Honda man for life.


The authoritative site GPOne.com sees it differently. Alberto Cani is claiming that the most likely scenario is that Hayden will make way for either Andrea Dovizioso or Marco Melandri. Dovi has made a huge impact on the Team Scot satellite Honda, and has a clause in his contract allowing him to leave the team at the end of the year if he gets the call from HRC. But another option could well be Marco Melandri, who, on the strength of his performance at Ducati during the first few races, is unlikely to want to exercise the option he has to stay with Ducati for 2009. Melandri's first port of call would be Repsol Honda, the Italian already having proved his mettle aboard the Honda. But Gresini Honda could be another option for Macio, as he is still on good terms wtih Fausto Gresini.


By this theory, Hayden could then take Melandri's place on the vacant Ducati seat. Ducati are known to be very keen on the American, and the theory runs that Hayden's background in dirt track could help the Kentucky Kid tame the Ducati where Italian riders have failed. Casey Stoner came originally from a dirt track background, and is known to use a lot of back brake to keep the bike stable through corners. Alex Hofmann, who saw Stoner's data during his year riding at the D'Antin Ducati team, was astonished at just how much rear brake Stoner uses, sometimes generating huge forces through the pedal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 19 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when do i LOL??

hayden on a ducati?? haha he would be even slower than melandri is now
Doubtful, Ducati would finally have two similar directions in development (notice I said similar, not the same). Two guys who use a pile of rear brake. Personally I've always thought Hayden would mesh with the Ducati.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 20 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when do i LOL??

hayden on a ducati?? haha he would be even slower than melandri is now


Is there any chance of us having a discussion without getting into a rider bash fest with you?
Hayden has won a world championship - How many do you have?
You've become worse than the people who were winding you up.
I would like to read peoples thoughts on Jazkat's post without it being turned into the usual crap that you seem to take pleasure in inciting.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 20 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is there any chance of us having a discussion without getting into a rider bash fest with you?
Hayden has won a world championship - How many do you have?
You've become worse than the people who were winding you up.
I would like to read peoples thoughts on Jazkat's post without it being turned into the usual crap that you seem to take pleasure in inciting.
Good post. Stop trolling Pinky, it's quite immature.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 20 2008, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when do i LOL??

hayden on a ducati?? haha he would be even slower than melandri is now
you could be right, i think any rider looking to go to ducati is taking a huge gamble. we said similar things in 06 when we heard stoner was going to ducati,we thought he was going there to be there crash test dummy. fact is we dont no what rider fits what bike untill we see them race it. if i were a motogp rider i would be wary about taking the ducati ride, it seems a make or break move with the odds stacked against you. i think if he leaves hrc kawasaki would be the safer bet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 20 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you could be right, i think any rider looking to go to ducati is taking a huge gamble. we said similar things in 06 when we heard stoner was going to ducati,we thought he was going there to be there crash test dummy. fact is we dont no what rider fits what bike untill we see them race it. if i were a motogp rider i would be wary about taking the ducati ride, it seems a make or break move with the odds stacked against you. i think if he leaves hrc kawasaki would be the safer bet.
I agree with you and others that unless things turn around fairly drastically in the near future, ducati will have trouble attracting hayden or any other current or former top echelon rider.
 
If .... Stoner goes ok again this year ..... say anything down to 3rd ...... I think he is locked in with Duc. as their number 1 rider.

So whoever they get next will be cheap ...... as Stoner was when they got him .... and still is by comparison to some out there.

Would Hayden be "cheap"?

The idea of getting Hayden would be a great marketting coup ....... The US has money for Duc.s ...... but it could fall flat on their face should Hayden do a Melandri on the Duc.. They could be seen as the bike that ruined Hayden ? It would spell Duc. death in the US for several years to come.

I think the hiring of Hayden would be a 1 year thing only as an attempt to cash in on the immediate sales of bikes ..... but may not go much further than that. I don't think they would hire Hayden with high expectation for a win. Hayden was 8th last year and is currently 10th in the runnings ..... so he would have to be prepared to take a Duc. salary.

So is Hayden the type to go where he can get more money? .... eg. WSBK or AMAsbk


But all that aside ..... the whole article seems a bit specualtive to me to be worth much at this stage ...... again perhaps a writer has read soe of the stuff on here? There are a few here that speculate that would be a good move for him.
 
i would love to see hayden give the duc a go. dovi is gonna get the repsol ride so go be a factory ducati rider. who knows it could end up bein 1 of the best decisions he'll have ever made.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 20 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If .... Stoner goes ok again this year ..... say anything down to 3rd ...... I think he is locked in with Duc. as their number 1 rider.

So whoever they get next will be cheap ...... as Stoner was when they got him .... and still is by comparison to some out there.

Would Hayden be "cheap"?

The idea of getting Hayden would be a great marketting coup ....... The US has money for Duc.s ...... but it could fall flat on their face should Hayden do a Melandri on the Duc.. They could be seen as the bike that ruined Hayden ? It would spell Duc. death in the US for several years to come.

I think the hiring of Hayden would be a 1 year thing only as an attempt to cash in on the immediate sales of bikes ..... but may not go much further than that. I don't think they would hire Hayden with high expectation for a win. Hayden was 8th last year and is currently 10th in the runnings ..... so he would have to be prepared to take a Duc. salary.

So is Hayden the type to go where he can get more money? .... eg. WSBK or AMAsbk


But all that aside ..... the whole article seems a bit specualtive to me to be worth much at this stage ...... again perhaps a writer has read soe of the stuff on here? There are a few here that speculate that would be a good move for him.

hayden on a ducati wold be getting back to having somebody man-sized on the bike - with his background he may be able to ride it - & even if he is not at the top of my list - aren't a lot of people being premature at stoner's drop from grace - he has won 1 race from 3 so far - that's one more than my champ rossi

hayden on a duc would definitely sell more of their already popular bikes in the us & at the end of the day that's the only reason why any manufacturer competes in motogp
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 20 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you could be right, i think any rider looking to go to ducati is taking a huge gamble. we said similar things in 06 when we heard stoner was going to ducati,we thought he was going there to be there crash test dummy. fact is we dont no what rider fits what bike untill we see them race it. if i were a motogp rider i would be wary about taking the ducati ride, it seems a make or break move with the odds stacked against you. i think if he leaves hrc kawasaki would be the safer bet.


i agree with you rog, regardless what anyone thinks i personaly think melandri is one hell of a rider but has gone to waste at ducati, i think it maybe the same story for hayden we know melandri has already complained about the amount of traction control on the duke which the bike seems to be built around. hayden likes to ride as loose as possible and i think the ducati would handle like a bathtub on a very low traction control setting and i the tyres wouldnt last to long anyway without it (kind of what rossi's engineers are working on trying to get the electronics to conserve tyres), personaly i dont think its the rite bike for hayden but thats just my opinion, we know kawasaki are working on the "screamer" engine and i think kawasaki would be a good place to go if he cant stay at honda.
 
Who knows if the Duke would suit Nicky, but it's certainly risky cause Nicky can't ride fast with bikes that not suit his style and Ducati don't seem to be able to change their bike much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ Apr 20 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden on a Ducati? Hell ....... no.
The Alice Team will have 2 openings next year....so why not....no pressure on Hayden to perform and he gets to play the role Ducati development racer....

Ive said it before....but here goes Hayden is on the Biaggi program for 2008 then he will follow the KRJR route of slipping out of MotoGP without much notice or fanfare...sad really....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 20 2008, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with you rog, regardless what anyone thinks i personaly think melandri is one hell of a rider but has gone to waste at ducati, i think it maybe the same story for hayden we know melandri has already complained about the amount of traction control on the duke which the bike seems to be built around. hayden likes to ride as loose as possible and i think the ducati would handle like a bathtub on a very low traction control setting and i the tyres wouldnt last to long anyway without it (kind of what rossi's engineers are working on trying to get the electronics to conserve tyres), personaly i dont think its the rite bike for hayden but thats just my opinion, we know kawasaki are working on the "screamer" engine and i think kawasaki would be a good place to go if he cant stay at honda.
Good point. The key to be able to ride the Duc seems to be to trust the bike and the TC, opening the throtle and letting the bike do the rest. Since Hayden seems to like TC on the level of almost no existent I´m not sure that he would do will on the Duc.

I´m wondering about Dovi for the Duc. After all he is an italian and one hell of a rider. Also, being from the new kids group he might be more trusting of the electronics on the bike then the older guys.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Apr 20 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good point. The key to be able to ride the Duc seems to be to trust the bike and the TC, opening the throtle and letting the bike do the rest. Since Hayden seems to like TC on the level of almost no existent I´m not sure that he would do will on the Duc.

I´m wondering about Dovi for the Duc. After all he is an italian and one hell of a rider. Also, being from the new kids group he might be more trusting of the electronics on the bike then the older guys.
You have to remember that the Duke has a lot more electronics than just those to aid traction. To give just one example, apparently the electronics cuts the throttle to idle for a moment in the middle of corners to save fuel, regardless of the throttle demand from the rider. I'd imagine that this would be disconcerting to say the least for the rider who would have to a) trust in the electronics not to fail to ramp the throttle opening back up, and b) be confident that the throttle position they had chosen (which is now giving zero feedback) was appropriate for the corner exit.

Whether this would work for Hayden (or anyone else for that matter) I have no idea. If wild Elias, smooth Guintoli and MRNG can't make any more sense of it than each other, then it sounds a very difficult beast t master.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 21 2008, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the rider who would have to a) trust in the electronics not to fail to ramp the throttle opening back up, and
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be confident that the throttle position they had chosen

Why all the mistrust of electronics?? ......... All my cars for the last 20 years have had the fuel metered to them electronically/electrically ............ I can remember one of them giving a misbeat once ..... and it was a momentous occasion because of that!! ..... compared to these engines all the mechanically fuel injected and carbeuretored engines I had ran like dogs...

How much trouble has your cars engine given? How much cause for concern over its reliability or consistency?

Electronics are far more reliable! and tuneable.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 21 2008, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with you rog, regardless what anyone thinks i personaly think melandri is one hell of a rider but has gone to waste at ducati, i think it maybe the same story for hayden we know melandri has already complained about the amount of traction control on the duke which the bike seems to be built around. hayden likes to ride as loose as possible and i think the ducati would handle like a bathtub on a very low traction control setting and i the tyres wouldnt last to long anyway without it (kind of what rossi's engineers are working on trying to get the electronics to conserve tyres), personaly i dont think its the rite bike for hayden but thats just my opinion, we know kawasaki are working on the "screamer" engine and i think kawasaki would be a good place to go if he cant stay at honda.

Wow ..... aren't you the guy who was saying the Duc. is so much better!!!
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and don't give me the 07/08 ........ .... its hardly changed!!

And another point again ....... why all the fuss about "screamer" config. .... isn't Stoner running that? So why will the KAwasaki screamer be better?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 21 2008, 04:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why all the mistrust of electronics?? ......... All my cars for the last 20 years have had the fuel metered to them electronically/electrically ............ I can remember one of them giving a misbeat once ..... and it was a momentous occasion because of that!! ..... compared to these engines all the mechanically fuel injected and carbeuretored engines I had ran like dogs...

How much trouble has your cars engine given? How much cause for concern over its reliability or consistency?

Electronics are far more reliable! and tuneable.
Complex electronics involve complex software. If that software isn't thoroughly tested then you can easily get glitches. I know you're in Oz, so maybe haven't heard too much about the issues (various and very common) with the software on the Peugeot 307 when it first came out in 2002.

Take a look at this guy's final letter to Peugeot and it's list of software glitches:
Crush My 307

I particularly like the March 04 entry where the accelerator pedal stopped responding. Peugeot are still not much better in this department - last year a mate was performing sign off tests on one when he found that disconnecting the wire to the accelerator caused the throttle to fail-dangerous as opposed to fail-safe. The car was an auto and had reached 3rd and 120kmh when he managed to get the wire back into the break-out box.
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At least this was found during testing though.

Finally, do you remember Pedrosa's launch/anti wheelie control software failure last year?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 21 2008, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow ..... aren't you the guy who was saying the Duc. is so much better!!!
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and don't give me the 07/08 ........ .... its hardly changed!!

And another point again ....... why all the fuss about "screamer" config. .... isn't Stoner running that? So why will the KAwasaki screamer be better?
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WOW got the hump again have you barry?

its about the rider/bike compatibilty barry just like the duke can only be exploited by stoner, last year the duke was way faster than anything with the rite rider......lol hardly changed have you been sleeping.....the difference is that this year others have caught up, didnt you here suppo say "for sure we had a clear advantage last year but other manufacturers have responded well???" or something to that effect...

and for the screamer part i just think kawasaki are taking good steps forward to having a good bike performance wise, i think hayden would get on with it better than he would the ducati, hayden said he wants to turn off the TC so why the hell would he want to ride a bike that handles like a sledge in the snow without it??? you really are stupid sometimes.

this was a topic about hayden but you still manage to twist it up you really are something...
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