Hayden announcement expected

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate ...... Suzuki but that is just me, Nothing aginst you man like who you like. I am not puttin you down for that.

In that case....nothing personal you two, but I can NOT stand Suzuki's and Ducati's. I just think they make ugly bikes.

I would hazard a guess that Suzuki is a smaller team than Ducati and the smallest on the grid in 2009. I don't know the actual budgets but that is my guess. Ducati has 4 bikes on the grid and Zuke has 2 with no chance of a third.

I was on Hoppers site trying to convince him to stay for months so you aren't alone there but he wasn't wanted and moved on. Time will tell if he can develop a machine which I suspect he can not. I will leave out why I think that...I could point you to a video that sums it up quite well.

And it is just a frame. Unfortunately, that is a hugely important feature on the bike with lots of problems and they haven't solved it yet and haven't for years.

I don't hate Suzuki but I hate the way the team is underfunded and always behind. The riders they have now are fine. The team has to expand to 4 machines and Suzuki has to come to the party in a big way if they want to win a championship. It won't happen the way they are going now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In that case....nothing personal you two, but I can NOT stand Suzuki's and Ducati's. I just think they make ugly bikes.
Who the .... asked you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 25 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would hazard a guess that Suzuki is a smaller team than Ducati and the smallest on the grid in 2009. I don't know the actual budgets but that is my guess. Ducati has 4 bikes on the grid and Zuke has 2 with no chance of a third.

I was on Hoppers site trying to convince him to stay for months so you aren't alone there but he wasn't wanted and moved on. Time will tell if he can develop a machine which I suspect he can not. I will leave out why I think that...I could point you to a video that sums it up quite well.

And it is just a frame. Unfortunately, that is a hugely important feature on the bike with lots of problems and they haven't solved it yet and haven't for years.

I don't hate Suzuki but I hate the way the team is underfunded and always behind. The riders they have now are fine. The team has to expand to 4 machines and Suzuki has to come to the party in a big way if they want to win a championship. It won't happen the way they are going now.
Agreed man. I think with the fact the build the best I4 sbk they should be able to win but??? So they keep trying all this .... like when the electronics were new and would .... hopper and KRJR up. They could have had it dialed but the time needed was never purchasd in my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In that case....nothing personal you two, but I can NOT stand Suzuki's and Ducati's. I just think they make ugly bikes.
I just needed to put this extra one in here. It is funny you say Ducati and suzuki are ugly. I guess you haven't seen the latest frankenstein from honda. It is called the cbr 1000rr. ...... losers tried to copy a ducati with the dip in the lights movin in the breather tubes and wound up with a pig nose monstrosity. I guess those at honda think Ducs are ugly to since they tried to make one but ...... up. LOL.

I like the looks of my Sv1K. I love the looks of the 848. I can afford one but not the other...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 24 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I predicted if the control tire comes true and they drop cornering speeds significantly, DORNA will have to lobby for another liter of fuel to help give lap times the boost they need to stay ahead of WSBK.

Honda allegedly have a ridiculously good lump that is strangulated by lack of fuel. Hayden gets along with the pneumatic engine, if it turns out that the Japanese manufacturers put a big dent in Ducati's performance advantage, Nicky may have regrets.

Ezy said they already put the control tire to a vote but that the results could not be divulged. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Oh that thread. Yeah, I read the title and moved on. Could be a problem for Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 24 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Time will tell if he can develop a machine which I suspect he can not. I will leave out why I think that...I could point you to a video that sums it up quite well.
Please share.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who the .... asked you?
Awesome stuff.

In all honesty... why is there a waste of thread on Hayden??? To all Hayden fans, the guy is NOT what you make him out to be. He is only average at best, who somehow got his lucky shot at MotoGP and won the championship..... but we all know how he won it, not by being the most fastest or DOMINANT rider, BUT by playing it safe and riding on the BEST machine that year(Honda), and by capatilizing on other riders mistakes. THAT'S IT. Yeah he is exciting for you fans, especially you Americans because on TV he looks like a 'bull rider' with his upright stance on the bike and aggressive cornering..... BUT the guy is not as fast as he looks on TV or how you fans would like to think he is regardless of how hard he tries or how dedicated he is to racing. That's just my opinion.....you can say what you want about the guy, but that's just how i see him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 24 2008, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all honesty... why is there a waste of thread on Hayden??? To all Hayden fans, the guy is NOT what you make him out to be. He is only average at best, who somehow got his lucky shot at MotoGP and won the championship..... but we all know how he won it, not by being the most fastest or DOMINANT rider, BUT by playing it safe and riding on the BEST machine that year(Honda), and by capatilizing on other riders mistakes. THAT'S IT. Yeah he is exciting for you fans, especially you Americans because on TV he looks like a 'bull rider' with his upright stance on the bike and aggressive cornering..... BUT the guy is not as fast as he looks on TV or how you fans would like to think he is regardless of how hard he tries or how dedicated he is to racing. That's just my opinion.....you can say what you want about the guy, but that's just how i see him.

He is one of the greatest of the greats. His bike control is only matched by the likes of Gary McCoy.

He is one of the greatest riders to ever live, but the tragedy is that he was born a decade late. Like the great champions who came before him, Hayden left his legacy at the dirt tracks before moving on.

His record is better than the greats who came before him. Had the 500s not seen their demise in 2002, you would be be speaking reverently about the Kentucky King.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 25 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is one of the greatest of the greats. His bike control is only matched by the likes of Gary McCoy.

He is one of the greatest riders to ever live, but the tragedy is that he was born a decade late. Like the great champions who came before him, Hayden left his legacy at the dirt tracks before moving on.

His record is better than the greats who came before him. Had the 500s not seen their demise in 2002, you would be be speaking reverently about the Kentucky King.

Errr...you're not going to like this Lexy but the only thing Nicky is "the greatest" at is pulling chics at the night clubs (according to "The kentucky Kid" that is). How many races has he won, on a factory Honda, in what 6 years? If only Garry McCoy had been given as many opportunities as "Trick Daddy."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 24 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all honesty... why is there a waste of thread on Hayden??? To all Hayden fans, the guy is NOT what you make him out to be. He is only average at best, who somehow got his lucky shot at MotoGP and won the championship..... but we all know how he won it, not by being the most fastest or DOMINANT rider, BUT by playing it safe and riding on the BEST machine that year(Honda), and by capatilizing on other riders mistakes. THAT'S IT. Yeah he is exciting for you fans, especially you Americans because on TV he looks like a 'bull rider' with his upright stance on the bike and aggressive cornering..... BUT the guy is not as fast as he looks on TV or how you fans would like to think he is regardless of how hard he tries or how dedicated he is to racing. That's just my opinion.....you can say what you want about the guy, but that's just how i see him.
Any rider with any talent whatsoever and a Repsol Honda ride can win a world championship. That's why Sete Gibernau, Tohru Ukawa, Max Biaggi, Alex Barros and Dani Pedrosa are all MotoGP world champions and won their titles with ease whereas Hayden had to win his on the final race of the season. What a poor rider he is.

I love bull riding, you're absolutely right, that's the only reason I, and my fellow yanks, like him. If I couldn't relate his riding to some sort of hillbilly pastime then I couldn't be bothered.

He isn't as fast as he looks on TV, I noticed the same thing when I went to Laguna Seca 2005 and Valencia 2006. At Laguna when he managed his gap to everyone behind him I kept thinking: 'Yeah I guess keeping Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi absolutely at bay is sort of impressive, but after watching so many races on TV I was thinking he would be able to gap them by something more along the lines of a second a lap.' And when he was at Valencia reeling Bayliss in only to do the smart thing and ride conservatively to win a world championship, I remember thinking: 'I know he's got the championship wrapped up if he stays where he is, but according to my TV he can go so much faster than this so why settle for third when you could win or throw it all away trying.'

Lots of people try to discredit Hayden because he was slow to get it and now has to start again with the 800. Fact is he came to MotoGP having never seen any of the tracks and by the end of his rookie season he was a consistent top five guy. Had a rough start to 2004 but started coming good tail end, same for 2005 but finished quite strong that year. After his title he's struggled with the 800, can't seem to get his head around the Honda. The talent level is there, he's just on the wrong package at the moment. Personally I think that will change with the move to Ducati, thus dedicating an entire thread to him. So sorry to eat up all your bandwidth.

And 2006 is what it is, you don't get lucky 16 rounds in a row and luck into a world championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 25 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any rider with any talent whatsoever and a Repsol Honda ride can win a world championship. That's why Sete Gibernau, Tohru Ukawa, Max Biaggi, Alex Barros and Dani Pedrosa are all MotoGP world champions and won their titles with ease whereas Hayden had to win his on the final race of the season. What a poor rider he is.

I love bull riding, you're absolutely right, that's the only reason I, and my fellow yanks, like him. If I couldn't relate his riding to some sort of hillbilly pastime then I couldn't be bothered.

He isn't as fast as he looks on TV, I noticed the same thing when I went to Laguna Seca 2005 and Valencia 2006. At Laguna when he managed his gap to everyone behind him I kept thinking: 'Yeah I guess keeping Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi absolutely at bay is sort of impressive, but after watching so many races on TV I was thinking he would be able to gap them by something more along the lines of a second a lap.' And when he was at Valencia reeling Bayliss in only to do the smart thing and ride conservatively to win a world championship, I remember thinking: 'I know he's got the championship wrapped up if he stays where he is, but according to my TV he can go so much faster than this so why settle for third when you could win or throw it all away trying.'

Lots of people try to discredit Hayden because he was slow to get it and now has to start again with the 800. Fact is he came to MotoGP having never seen any of the tracks and by the end of his rookie season he was a consistent top five guy. Had a rough start to 2004 but started coming good tail end, same for 2005 but finished quite strong that year. After his title he's struggled with the 800, can't seem to get his head around the Honda. The talent level is there, he's just on the wrong package at the moment. Personally I think that will change with the move to Ducati, thus dedicating an entire thread to him. So sorry to eat up all your bandwidth.

And 2006 is what it is, you don't get lucky 16 rounds in a row and luck into a world championship.
Hayden has been widely underestimated; a person of some prominence who has done so in the past is one valentino rossi. Even as a ducati and bayliss fan I tend to agree that nicky could have gone fairly close to winning at valencia in 2006 had it been necessary. I particularly admire the class with which nicky comports himself whether dealing with success or the lack thereof.

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SuperShinya has a very hard crush on Nakano. For some reason he thinks Hayden is no match for Shinya yet Hayden won a gp championship. Now refresh my memory SuperShitya HOW MANY RACES HAS SHINYA WON? HMMMMMM I'm still thinkin.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 25 2008, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who the .... asked you?
It's kind of fun reading this topic...

Just back to the Suzuki thing for a moment.
They are the only factory (I suppose you could include Ducati) that has veered away from the engine configuration they know best, the inline 4. The only previous Suzuki V4 I can think of is the US market Cavalcade. Yamaha and Kawasaki have stuck with inline 4s and Honda have built many successful V4s and I suppose you could argue that the Duc is a V twins next to each other although there is more to it than that.
At least Suzuki are trying to do something different.

This is turning into a bloody soap opera.....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080825a.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 25 2008, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any rider with any talent whatsoever and a Repsol Honda ride can win a world championship. That's why Sete Gibernau, Tohru Ukawa, Max Biaggi, Alex Barros and Dani Pedrosa are all MotoGP world champions and won their titles with ease whereas Hayden had to win his on the final race of the season. What a poor rider he is.

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Great paragraph

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 24 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Please share.

http://www.suzuki-motogp.com/pages/multime...edia.aspx?ID=44

The last line is excruciating.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 24 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all honesty... why is there a waste of thread on Hayden??? To all Hayden fans, the guy is NOT what you make him out to be. He is only average at best, who somehow got his lucky shot at MotoGP and won the championship..... but we all know how he won it, not by being the most fastest or DOMINANT rider, BUT by playing it safe and riding on the BEST machine that year(Honda), and by capatilizing on other riders mistakes. THAT'S IT. Yeah he is exciting for you fans, especially you Americans because on TV he looks like a 'bull rider' with his upright stance on the bike and aggressive cornering..... BUT the guy is not as fast as he looks on TV or how you fans would like to think he is regardless of how hard he tries or how dedicated he is to racing. That's just my opinion.....you can say what you want about the guy, but that's just how i see him.

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