Hayden announcement expected

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 23 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LMAO. Rossi only won this year because he was lucky. If Pedro wouldn't have binned it in then he would have easily won that race and been 14 points ahead of Rossi. Then Rossi would have to of played catch up and would have choked in the next race. Leaving the door open for Stoner to at least take second. Of course TIRES played a huge role as well. This championship definitely needs an next to it. Because it was all luck.

Rog, I think that you are having an off day
one thing i do know is "what if's " dont win .... all. and why am i having an off day ? it was lex said that not me !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 23 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are people having trouble understanding sarcasm?

Anyway! Good luck for Hayden. It's going to be tough with Ducati for sure, but I think he has a shot at succeeding. I doubt he's going to win races right away though.
Why is it going to be so tough? Where do you think he has a better chance? Gresini so he never gets parts and support. Suzuki so he can ride a piece of ....? Kawasaki so he can ride an even bigger piece os ..... The yamaha so his power will suffer like it does now. Now you have Ducati who people cry about them having an unfair advantage. They have power and the last title to prove it. New Carbon fibre frame(thinkin outside the box) to try something new. Could be another huge improvement or not. Plus the realize I am sure if Hayden does well Ducati will market their ..... off to sell bikes. Go Ducati and Nicky!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 23 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>one thing i do know is "what if's " dont win .... all. and why am i having an off day ? it was lex said that not me !

Jum, Lex and myself were just re-living old times. We were just having a play at the 2008 vs 2006 and all the double standards that exist out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 23 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Jum, Lex and myself were just re-living old times. We were just having a play at the 2008 vs 2006 and all the double standards that exist out there.
dont make me have to fly to the other side of the pond again to kick your ... mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 23 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Jum, Lex and myself were just re-living old times. We were just having a play at the 2008 vs 2006 and all the double standards that exist out there.
Hahaha. The sad thing is that they will never get it.

Kung fool panda Roger... put the nun chucks away.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 23 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Hahaha. The sad thing is that they will never get it.

Kung fool panda Roger... put the nun chucks away.
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theres been a cease fire since the start of 07, dont force me to assemble the troops. you hayden fans got ya ... kicked back then and you aint got anywhere near as much ammo now as you did back then.. comprendre compa

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 23 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is it going to be so tough? Where do you think he has a better chance? Gresini so he never gets parts and support. Suzuki so he can ride a piece of ....? Kawasaki so he can ride an even bigger piece os ..... The yamaha so his power will suffer like it does now. Now you have Ducati who people cry about them having an unfair advantage. They have power and the last title to prove it. New Carbon fibre frame(thinkin outside the box) to try something new. Could be another huge improvement or not. Plus the realize I am sure if Hayden does well Ducati will market their ..... off to sell bikes. Go Ducati and Nicky!

Because the Dukes have a stupidly big learning curve, why is a world class rider like Marco struggling so badly on a factory spec model this year? He's a multiple race winner and he came 2nd in the championship in 2005 beating Nicky. I kinda feel for Nicky because the Duke's gonna make him look terrible.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 23 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4483:flip_the_bird.jpg]

theres been a cease fire since the start of 07, dont force me to assemble the troops. you hayden fans got ya ... kicked back then and you aint got anywhere near as much ammo now as you did back then.. comprendre compa

Did you really wanna fire that salvo only 6 months before Hayden starts riding the fastest bike on the grid?

Yeah, drink it all in. Yeah. That's right, Hayden is gonna be on a factory Ducati after 2 terrible seasons. He's never deserved this ride less. He's marketing fluff and he'll never do anything for them.

Yeah. Be jealous that our guy always gets the best stuff regardless of his performance. Potential always outshines performance. At 27 Hayden still has more potential in his Pinky finger than 90% of the grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 23 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because the Dukes have a stupidly big learning curve, why is a world class rider like Marco struggling so badly on a factory spec model this year? He's a multiple race winner and he came 2nd in the championship in 2005 beating Nicky. I kinda feel for Nicky because the Duke's gonna make him look terrible.
Because marco is not suited to the bike and the style needed to make it work.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 24 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you really wanna fire that salvo only 6 months before Hayden starts riding the fastest bike on the grid?

Yeah, drink it all in. Yeah. That's right, Hayden is gonna be on a factory Ducati after 2 terrible seasons. He's never deserved this ride less. He's marketing fluff and he'll never do anything for them.

Yeah. Be jealous that our guy always gets the best stuff regardless of his performance. Potential always outshines performance. At 27 Hayden still has more potential in his Pinky finger than 90% of the grid.
something tells me this forum will really come alive next season back to the old school

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 23 2008, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The duc allready have the best mid range in the class. Not nesessrily smoth and nice but it's at the start of the straights where the duck really shine.


GP9 use a carbon fibre frame. And steel give a lot more flex than aluminium. Aluminium is a dead material, giving little flex and lots of damping. Steel are flexible and bend and recoil a lot more. I just heard in the olympics mountainbike race that carbon fibre frames flex more than aluminum and if it's true I guss that is to Ducati's advantage as they are used to handle the flex. However I thought CF was really stiff and dead so I don't know if that was correct.
On the engine.
Yeah, i've seen it alot of times on the broadcasts and other riders say that too,they fall behind in the start of the straights.That midrange is probarbly the desmodromic valve guide system helping.But when the bike is at a great angle and the initial acceleration starts ,when the TC helps alot,they seem to have made the throttle respons easier to control.And making it smoother.Anyway going for driveabillity rather than trying all they can to raise the high rev output would probarbly make the Ducati more like the other bikes or at least easier to adapt to.And that is what Suppo has said the factory is working on.This is good news for the new rider.

On the chassi
Interresting.
Steal is recoiling yes ,and from the beginning they probarbly came up with all those pipes going in every direction to get rid of recoils in the wrong directions.But lately the bucking or bending or whatever the riders say they feel when pushing has lead them to use a different material.
But what Presiozi (or what ever the name of the designer is) said was the difference with the new cabon fibre was the shape of it.And not the material.
I'm not sure how carbon fibre handles or flexes or if there are different kinds of it,i thought it was just really stiff .But as they seem to have worked alot with the shape of it and are happy with it,it's probarbly doing the job they were looking for.
I don't know,we will see what Hayden has to say about it,because it's got to be Hayden right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 23 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is it going to be so tough? Where do you think he has a better chance? Gresini so he never gets parts and support. Suzuki so he can ride a piece of ....?

Easy on the POS stuff. Who put the bike on the box three races in a row? Brno showed both Suzuki's in the top 6 no other team did that. The bike with new frame tested 3rd & 4th in testing every day. The biggeat mistake of Melandri's career was not signing with Suzuki.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 23 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because the Dukes have a stupidly big learning curve, why is a world class rider like Marco struggling so badly on a factory spec model this year? He's a multiple race winner and he came 2nd in the championship in 2005 beating Nicky. I kinda feel for Nicky because the Duke's gonna make him look terrible.

I agree and i doubt nicky is gonna do any better, some people are thinking he can ride the duke more aggressively but when you do that your just going against the electronics and slowing yourself down.

Stoner and his mechanics have it worked out... and its a secret.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 24 2008, 03:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Easy on the POS stuff. Who put the bike on the box three races in a row? Brno showed both Suzuki's in the top 6 no other team did that. The bike with new frame tested 3rd & 4th in testing every day. The biggest mistake of Melandri's career was not signing with Suzuki.
Ok I'll give you the few times suzuki did well but your out of your mind thinking it is a decent bike. Those guys got lucky cause of the fall of Stoner for one thing and the tires being the best ones didn't hurt either. THe suzuki is a pos and will be until they do something drastic to improve upon it. Maybe if Hopper was still there they would be doing better since he has great knowledge of the machine. I just don't ever see them rising to the occasion due to the subpar performances in overall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 21 2008, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Regardless you Hayden fan's will still have an excuse if he performs poorly on the Ducati.
It's a pretty lamented excuse. The same one that Capirossi, Barros and Hofmann had last season and the one that Melandri, Elias and Guintoli have this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 21 2008, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dunno. Stoner adapted pretty quickly. Stoner used to complain he had no feeling in the front, Stoner seems to like to use the rear wheel to adjust the attitude of the bike mid-turn. Stoner's and Nicky's complaints have been very similar.

Furthermore, I expect a control tire measure to pass in which case the tires will be significantly harder and capable of sustaining more abuse. I think Nicky might start getting the bike a little sideways again!

The only 2 things worry me. 1) Nicky's preference for controls. It is widely known he likes the controls ultra sensitive so the slightest manipulation changes the bikes performance. We all know Stoner cranks the throttle on the Duc, will Nicky be able to grip it and rip it? 2) I'm going to predict it in another topic (stay tuned).
Don't leave me hangin' Lex.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 22 2008, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also - they put my two favourite riders on the same team, I’ve written 2008 off, bring on ’09…
Two OF my favorite riders on my favorite team. How long until January? Because you know Honda aren't going to let Nicky ride until after the winter test ban.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 24 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner and his mechanics have it worked out... and its a secret.
It's not a secret Stoner will keep from his friend and team in a shared garage.

I predict that Nicky will be sleeping with Casey's wife by mid season. Then we'll see some real drama in the Ducati garage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 24 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't leave me hangin' Lex.

I predicted if the control tire comes true and they drop cornering speeds significantly, DORNA will have to lobby for another liter of fuel to help give lap times the boost they need to stay ahead of WSBK.

Honda allegedly have a ridiculously good lump that is strangulated by lack of fuel. Hayden gets along with the pneumatic engine, if it turns out that the Japanese manufacturers put a big dent in Ducati's performance advantage, Nicky may have regrets.

Ezy said they already put the control tire to a vote but that the results could not be divulged. It will be interesting to see what happens.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok I'll give you the few times suzuki did well but your out of your mind thinking it is a decent bike. Those guys got lucky cause of the fall of Stoner for one thing and the tires being the best ones didn't hurt either. THe suzuki is a pos and will be until they do something drastic to improve upon it. Maybe if Hopper was still there they would be doing better since he has great knowledge of the machine. I just don't ever see them rising to the occasion due to the subpar performances in overall.

Cripes the GSVR is always in the top ten not like the Kawi's and most of the Ducatis. The Yamahas finish behind most of the time what are you taking about? There's a new frame coming now and the last testing showed pretty well. It <u>is</u> a decent machine with only a tire wear issue to solve. The motor looks up to speed and the suspension and brake stuff is all purchased. It comes down to the chassis and for sure they have yet to get that perfect. Yamaha made a mess out of the frame in '06 and both Yamaha and Honda's motors were lousy last year so everyone has their problems. Honda still has to perfect their pneumatic valved engine and Suzuki has been racing theirs for years. The gigantic budgets of those teams gets things turned around much faster so it makes Suzuki look crappy because they are not funded properly.

I agree they got a pass with Brno because of the Michelin thing and Stoners wipeout. Laguna was a straight up dry podium and that was excellent. They are almost there and by next spring they will be a force.

Hopper is no loss to the team at all. He is doing so excellent on the Kawi.

For a small team Suzuki are doing alright.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 25 2008, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cripes the GSVR is always in the top ten not like the Kawi's and most of the Ducatis. The Yamahas finish behind most of the time what are you taking about? There's a new frame coming now and the last testing showed pretty well. It <u>is</u> a decent machine with only a tire wear issue to solve. The motor looks up to speed and the suspension and brake stuff is all purchased. It comes down to the chassis and for sure they have yet to get that perfect. Yamaha made a mess out of the frame in '06 and both Yamaha and Honda's motors were lousy last year so everyone has their problems. Honda still has to perfect their pneumatic valved engine and Suzuki has been racing theirs for years. The gigantic budgets of those teams gets things turned around much faster so it makes Suzuki look crappy because they are not funded properly.

I agree they got a pass with Brno because of the Michelin thing and Stoners wipeout. Laguna was a straight up dry podium and that was excellent. They are almost there and by next spring they will be a force.

Hopper is no loss to the team at all. He is doing so excellent on the Kawi.

For a small team Suzuki are doing alright.
A small team compared to who? Ducati is the smallest of them all my friend. Plus the riders they have on the machines other than Stoner are ..... I really liked Melandri but he has no ability to adapt to the bike. A chance for suzuki came in the form of hopper previously cause he was 4th in last years standings I believe. So wouldn't be so quick to say what your trying to say. I personally thought he should have stayed at suzuki but he wanted the whole green monster money. As for Ducati if we get the likes of Sete, Hayden and hopefully another who has the ability to tame the beast you will see for yourself. HEy I would like to see Capirex and Vermi do well cause I like them as people first. I hate ...... Suzuki but that is just me, Nothing aginst you man like who you like. I am not puttin you down for that. I really think they have something but never seem to get it going. They are going to need a hell of alot more than just a frame to win.