Hack MotoGP journalist David Emmett/Kropo of Motomatters discussion

RCV600RR said:

Even MM conceded that it was his mistake, so your argument doesn't make much sense.

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You are NOT making a point against my argument, so my argument doesn't make sense?

Since Zarco doesn't admit he made a mistake, then it is okay to crash Pedrosa? Thus, if Marquez didn't admit to making a mistake, he wouldn't have been punished? That makes no sense, what-so-ever.

AND AGAIN, if you think that Pedrosa could have avoided the accident, but that Rossi could not, then you are a bias hypocrite, in my opinion. Either Zarco and Marquez both get punished or both do not. Anything else is not fair.

#22 said:

And Miller conceded that he made a mistake in Austin that would have wiped out him and Lorenzo had Lorenzo not stood his bike up. So again we come back to the crux of the argument, consistency of punishments. Miller wasn't punished.

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I'm not race direction's lawyer. We are discussing a specific incident, not whether every punishment that has ever been levied is consistent with other punishments. Any ..... can see that race direction is inconsistent and seems to be making things up as they go along.

Iamapony said:

You are NOT making a point against my argument, so my argument doesn't make sense?

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No, you claimed that MM wasn't at fault, when MM admits that he was at fault. It's obviously an absurd position you've adopted.

#22 said:

Like Rossi showed respect to Lorenzo in 2010 at Motegi?

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Rossi rode his own race. He didn't slow Lorenzo down so that his title rival would beat him.

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ALso, as you say, Rossi started all this by disrespecting Marquez. Not only by saying that he was in effect, cheating when he won what was argued at the time to be the race of the decade, and did so by clawing back a second to Lorenzo and passed him 2 corners from home, he also maliciously accused Marquez of lying about being a fan of his, to the point where Marquez' own mother actually issued photos of her son's bedroom wall as a kid showing pictures of Rossi. And you want to talk about respect?

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Agreed. I never disputed that. In fact, as you mention, I made that very point myself. So why repeat it?

#22 said:

You cannot produce a legitimate source that Espargaro said that, .

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Check Espargaro's twitter account, old chap.

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Seeing as you edited your post after I replied.

Key word: Public. I made no mention of his public reaction.

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It's clearly Spanish ......... Rossi went out of his way to publicly laud Pedrosa's clean riding after the race, yet we're to believe some unsourced Spanish paper that says Rossi was furious and confronted Pedrosa? Please.

RCV600RR said:

I'm not race direction's lawyer. We are discussing a specific incident, not whether every punishment that has ever been levied is consistent with other punishments. Any ..... can see that race direction is inconsistent and seems to be making things up as they go along.

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Actually we weren't. I mentioned 3 incidents in my last post alone. As I have stated before, I feel the Argentina penalty was just. But it was wrong given Zarco wasn't penalized.

RCV600RR said:

Rossi rode his own race. He didn't slow Lorenzo down so that his title rival would beat him.

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That is your opinion.

Check Espargaro's twitter account, old chap.

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I didn't make the claim. It's easy enough for you to find the post and link it here

RCV600RR said:

It's clearly Spanish ......... Rossi went out of his way to publicly laud Pedrosa's clean riding after the race, yet we're to believe some unsourced Spanish paper that says Rossi was furious and confronted Pedrosa? Please.

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Again how is that ........ when you believe WITHOUT EVIDENCE Rossis 2015 claims?

Gee I see rcv600 is trying to change history again.
LS08 rossi declared before the race that Stoner was so much quicker that he had a plan to slow him down. He even had the bike set up for that task.

LS08 remains the worst episode of slowing a rider down by contact. rossis off track then re-entry has gone down as classic infamy.

Sepang 2015 rossi actually slowed, looked around and waited for Marquez to draw alongside then kicked Marquezs bike.

You dumb boppers dont even realise rossi is on notice even more for his tactics. As he again tried at Argentina.

Stoner learned to ride around and away from rossi in 08.

Marquezs dominance at Cota shows he is now in the same mind.

Mud in the eyes of you boppers.

#22 said:

Actually we weren't. I mentioned 3 incidents in my last post alone.

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You changed the topic. It's like you have amnesia. The positive thing is that it's all written down, so you can go and check.

#22 said:

That is your opinion.

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Was that supposed to be an argument? Of course it's my opinion.

His title rival was injured with a broken collarbone out of the race. How was Rossi trying to slow him down for Pedrosa (who was sitting in a hospital) to catch him if Rossi and Lorenzo were only together for the final three laps and no-one else was within 4 seconds of them?

You say some silly things, but this surely tops it.

#22 said:

I didn't make the claim. It's easy enough for you to find the post and link it here

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Espargaro posted it on the day of the Valencia race. Look it up.

#22 said:

Again how is that ........ when you believe WITHOUT EVIDENCE Rossis 2015 claims?

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Are you thick? I always said his PI 2015 comments were silly. Check the last page!

Also, if you consider one random unsourced Spanish gossip article claiming that Rossi confronted Pedrosa after Aragon to be credible, after Rossi publicly went out of his way to laud Pedrosa's superior speed and clean riding immediately after the race, then you're beyond help. You will believe anything that anyone writes.

RCV600RR said:

You changed the topic. It's like you have amnesia. The positive thing is that it's all written down, so you can go and check.


Was that supposed to be an argument? Of course it's my opinion.

His title rival was injured with a broken collarbone out of the race. How was Rossi trying to slow him down for Pedrosa (who was sitting in a hospital) to catch him if Rossi and Lorenzo were only together for the final three laps and no-one else was within 4 seconds of them?

You say some silly things, but this surely tops it.



Espargaro posted it on the day of the Valencia race. Look it up.



Are you thick? I always said his PI 2015 comments were silly. Check the last page!

Also, if you consider one random unsourced Spanish gossip article claiming that Rossi confronted Pedrosa after Aragon to be credible, after Rossi publicly went out of his way to laud Pedrosa's superior speed and clean riding immediately after the race, then you're beyond help. You will believe anything that anyone writes.

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What a truckload of ........!

The mere fact that you boppers constantly try to change fact shows that you actually dislike rossis actions. The trouble is your minds get warped by starting with the want to believe that rossi is perfect. So you bend obvious facts to ignore the reality and self justify your idiotic belief.

In the end .... its making rossi even more hopeless.

RCV600RR said:

Anyone who doesn't concede that MM was intentionally ....... with VR at Sepang 15 is irretrievably biased. It's beyond debate. Rossi incited it, but there's no question that MM did that.

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I take this as a statement of faith.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

RCV600RR said:

I'm not race direction's lawyer. We are discussing a specific incident, not whether every punishment that has ever been levied is consistent with other punishments. Any ..... can see that race direction is inconsistent and seems to be making things up as they go along.

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Not at all, that's the point, they're not issuing penalties like pin the tail on the donkey, they are issuing penalties with design, consistently in Rossi's favor. The inconsistency comes from the fact they refuse to punish Rossi. Take for example the two parallel incidents of baulked Viñalez, the same guy at the same track no less. Marc is penalized Rossi’s ........ apology sorry, I didn't know Viñalez, (wait apologies are tantamount to conceding guilty) regardless is irrelevant, the rule was violated and no penalty was issued.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Jumkie said:

I take this as a statement of faith.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

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Sad thing is we were being treated to one of the greatest duels in GP history till Rossi chickenshitted his way out of it by punting MM. Rossi only likes "racing" when he's the one running people off the circuit or chop blocking them.

RCV600RR said:

You changed the topic. It's like you have amnesia. The positive thing is that it's all written down, so you can go and check.

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I didn't change the topic, my arguments were on topic. What you didn't like was I brought up examples of cases and defied your reasoning and bias.

Was that supposed to be an argument? Of course it's my opinion.

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Not at all, and you call me thick. Funny how because I don't share your opinion I am thick. Last time I checked this was a discussion forum. If you can't handle someone not agreeing with your opinion then I suggest you log off, never to return.

His title rival was injured with a broken collarbone out of the race. How was Rossi trying to slow him down for Pedrosa (who was sitting in a hospital) to catch him if Rossi and Lorenzo were only together for the final three laps and no-one else was within 4 seconds of them?

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Again, selective reading, you say I have amnesia but show me where I said Rossi was trying to slow Lorenzo down. Come on...quote a post where I said that. We both know you can't because I didn't say that.

You say some silly things, but this surely tops it.

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Oh the irony.

Espargaro posted it on the day of the Valencia race. Look it up.

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So let me get this straight. You make a claim and then want ME to find the evidence to support your claim? I would say don't ever become a lawyer, but there is no fear of that with the minute intelligence you have,

Also, if you consider one random unsourced Spanish gossip article claiming that Rossi confronted Pedrosa after Aragon to be credible, after Rossi publicly went out of his way to laud Pedrosa's superior speed and clean riding immediately after the race, then you're beyond help. You will believe anything that anyone writes.

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Likewise, if you consider one random hanger on to a bike racer's (we're talking Uccio here) claims that Marquez deliberately messed with another rider's race in PI and then managed to go on and win the race at the expense of the title rival he is supposedly helping then you are deluded in the extreme. But then I wouldn't expect much else.

Anyway, you're a Rossi swallowing .... and I'm done with you. Another one to add to the block list

RCV600RR said:

Even MM conceded that it was his mistake, so your argument doesn't make much sense.

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I think Jerez 2011 was a much more overambitious pass which took out the leading contender for the championship who was leading the points at the time, Rossi admitted he had made a mistake which was redundant because he put his bike down before contacting Stoner and taking him out, yet no penalty, and in fact post race outrage that Stoner had any complaint, and at a much less aggressive response to an apology than MM received from the Rossi pit.

RCV600RR said:

Even MM conceded that it was his mistake, so your argument doesn't make much sense.

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I am not sure he would have made the corner myself, but he actually implied there would have been no contact except for the wet patch which Ii would have thought makes it even more a racing incident rather than reckless.

RCV600RR said:

Anyone who doesn't concede that MM was intentionally ....... with VR at Sepang 15 is irretrievably biased. It's beyond debate. Rossi incited it, but there's no question that MM did that.

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Actually, two matters for which no proof exists are that Márquez wasn’t going as fast as he could have gone, or that Rossi had the pace to go with Pedrosa and Lorenzo. He wouldn’t have had the problem if he had just stayed in front of Lorenzo. Even RD said that he had raced Rossi legally which you are always entitled to do for position, as Rossi did to Lorenzo at Motegi 2010, which I am fairly sure I said on here at the time Rossi was also entitled to do. I don’t think it is much of a supposition btw that Lorenzo was faster in that race unless Rossi had been sandbagging himself because he had caught up several seconds. My personal theory is that after Rossi riled him in the press conference MM decided to re-create Motegi 2010 just as he had previously re-created the LS 08 corkscrew incident and the Jerez 2005 last corner pass. Certainly the Motegi 2010 dice didn’t last for as many laps, but that is very likely because Lorenzo decided to settle for position (4th iirc) which Rossi also had the option of doing at Sepang 2015.

I do concede the circumstances were somewhat different, Pedrosa only had a remote mathematical chance of winning the title at the time of Motegi 2010 and was hampered by an injury, but Lorenzo would have clinched the championship that day had he successfully passed Rossi.

The bottom line of all this imo is that Rossi didn’t want to go to Valencia, a bogey track for him, in a situation where Lorenzo could win the title just by beating him in the race.

And not directed at you, but if every utterance of David Emmett’s deserves to be regarded as unvarnished truth because of the respect Synn says he deserves, he was the one who reported in 2015 that Rossi had approached Dani after a late season race in 2015 and asked him why he had tried to beat, in which endeavour he had been successful. As Povol pointed out back then, Rossi lost many more points from being beaten by Pedrosa, and on one occasion Iannone, than anything MM did. MM as a matter of record deprived Lorenzo of 5 points at PI, and in the opinion of many Rossi’s likely finishing position at Sepang was 4th and hence he gained a net 3 points by taking MM out.

RCV600RR said:

Anyone who doesn't concede that MM was intentionally ....... with VR at Sepang 15 is irretrievably biased. It's beyond debate. Rossi incited it, but there's no question that MM did that.

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Well.................. Lets look at it this way. If some weak ....... "flossi" accuses you of ....... with, when you weren't. Don't you think you would be incline to .... with the weak ....... "flossi" the next time you have the chance to? As far as I'm concern, your god asked for trouble & he got some. Problem is, he can't match the talent of Marc. So the only thing to do is victimized Marc with his legions of boppers & uncle carmello & campany.

BarryMachine said:

What a truckload of ........!

The mere fact that you boppers constantly try to change fact shows that you actually dislike rossis actions. The trouble is your minds get warped by starting with the want to believe that rossi is perfect. So you bend obvious facts to ignore the reality and self justify your idiotic belief.

In the end .... its making rossi even more hopeless.

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https://www.motorcyclenews.com/spor...ct0110-jammed-throttle-caused-pedrosa-crash-/



It looks like half of you Rossi haters don't even watch MotoGP. You have Keshav thinking there's no GP at Misano and that Stoner won two titles with Ducati, and then you have a bloke like you who didn't know that Pedrosa crashed in FP at Motegi 2010, breaking his collarbone and forcing him to skip the race.

You make it too easy.

#22 said:

Not at all, and you call me thick. Funny how because I don't share your opinion I am thick. Last time I checked this was a discussion forum. If you can't handle someone not agreeing with your opinion then I suggest you log off, never to return.

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You're not thick because you disagree with me. You're thick because you say absurd things.

#22 said:

Again, selective reading, you say I have amnesia but show me where I said Rossi was trying to slow Lorenzo down. Come on...quote a post where I said that. We both know you can't because I didn't say that.

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I said that Rossi wasn't slowing Lorenzo down in order to allow a title rival to get away. You responded by saying "that's your opinion", which infers that you disagree, and that my view is open to debate. If you don't know what an inference is, then you need to go back to school.

#22 said:

So let me get this straight. You make a claim and then want ME to find the evidence to support your claim? I would say don't ever become a lawyer, but there is no fear of that with the minute intelligence you have,

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Actually, you made the claim. See what I mean about amnesia? You said that Rossi confronted Espargaro. I told you that Espargaro explicitly contradicted that on his Twitter on the same day. Twitter is blocked on my work computer.

#22 said:

Likewise, if you consider one random hanger on to a bike racer's (we're talking Uccio here) claims that Marquez deliberately messed with another rider's race in PI and then managed to go on and win the race at the expense of the title rival he is supposedly helping then you are deluded in the extreme. But then I wouldn't expect much else.

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This is what I mean when I say you're thick. In my last two posts, I've repeated twice that Rossi was silly to make those unfounded comments. Yet your thick skull keeps sending you a message that I think Marquez played with Rossi's race at PI.

#22 said:

Anyway, you're a Rossi swallowing .... and I'm done with you. Another one to add to the block list

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That's called cognitive dissonance. Keep reading the echo chamber. It'll help with your thickness, I'm sure.

RCV600RR said:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/spor...ct0110-jammed-throttle-caused-pedrosa-crash-/



It looks like half of you Rossi haters don't even watch MotoGP. You have Keshav thinking there's no GP at Misano and that Stoner won two titles with Ducati, and then you have a bloke like you who didn't know that Pedrosa crashed in FP at Motegi 2010, breaking his collarbone and forcing him to skip the race.

You make it too easy.

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I have Keshav thinking that? I didnt know that? Those are your words. Do you want to try applying reality to that? No ..... you are an ..... religious fanatic. You are incapable of seeing reality.