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Hack MotoGP journalist David Emmett/Kropo of Motomatters discussion

Jumkie said:
Not at all, that's the point, they're not issuing penalties like pin the tail on the donkey, they are issuing penalties with design, consistently in Rossi's favor. The inconsistency comes from the fact they refuse to punish Rossi. Take for example the two parallel incidents of baulked Viñalez, the same guy at the same track no less. Marc is penalized Rossi’s ........ apology sorry, I didn't know Viñalez, (wait apologies are tantamount to conceding guilty) regardless is irrelevant, the rule was violated and no penalty was issued.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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But that wasn't his point.

He said Marquez wasn't at fault for the incident. I mentioned that even MM conceded that it was his mistake.

He said that because Miller conceded he made a mistake with Lorenzo, he should've been punished like MM was punished merely because he admitted he made a mistake. Regrettably, because 22 is thick, he failed to realize that the gravity of the two incidents was different (MM had already taken out a rider in the same race, MM's actions caused Rossi to crash, broken starting grid procedure, punted Syahrin on Saturday, punted Rabat etc.).

I already said that when someone of high stature is subject to an incident (Rossi v Marquez in Argentina 15, Rossi v Marquez in Argentina 17) it garners much more attention than when it happens to Rabat. This is an unfortunate and disappointing reality. The penalties must be consistent.
 
RCV600RR said:
There's a solid chance Rossi would've finished fourth if MM wasn't screwing with him.

Rossi wasn't deliberately slowing a rival's race at LS08 or Motegi 2010 and letting the leaders get away. He was racing a rival hard for a position.

Rossi was silly to provoke MM, but MM also behaved very poorly in response. All throughout FP, they were dawdling at 5km/h on the track staring each other down.
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There was plenty of contact at LS08, they were jostling each other all the way on the lead up to Rossi’s off track excursion because Stoner refused to concede the inside line to the corner which he had maintained after Rossi had squeezed him to the inside margin of the track on the previous corner. Rossi in fact skewed across the front of Stoner at the Corkscrew because he was going too fast to make the corner on the line he was, as evidenced by him going off track with no contact from Stoner at that point. There would have been major contact on his return to the track if Stoner had not taken rapid evasive action, and Stoner later in the race elected to go off track rather than into Rossi which he easily could have done when Rossi slowed midcorner.
 
RCV600RR said:
You're not thick because you disagree with me. You're thick because you say absurd things.



I said that Rossi wasn't slowing Lorenzo down in order to allow a title rival to get away. You responded by saying "that's your opinion", which infers that you disagree, and that my view is open to debate. If you don't know what an inference is, then you need to go back to school.


Actually, you made the claim. See what I mean about amnesia? You said that Rossi confronted Espargaro. I told you that Espargaro explicitly contradicted that on his Twitter on the same day. Twitter is blocked on my work computer.


This is what I mean when I say you're thick. In my last two posts, I've repeated twice that Rossi was silly to make those unfounded comments. Yet your thick skull keeps sending you a message that I think Marquez played with Rossi's race at PI.


That's called cognitive dissonance. Keep reading the echo chamber. It'll help with your thickness, I'm sure.
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Serious question as you seem to wanting pin 15 on Marc somehow. Do you really think what Marquez did at Sepang was wrong considering Rossi had called him out in front of the world and called him a lier and a cheat. This two wrongs don’t make a right .... is t going to cut it. What exactly did you think was going to happen . I think I know what you were thinking. Marc will go sulk like the rest have done. But that’s not what happened. Marc was a man about it, challenged the instigator to a dual that Rossi took the cowards way out. Marc didn’t do anything wrong that day except expose Rossi for a coward.
 
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synn said:
Did your imaginary friend give you backstage access to get their private thoughts?
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Reported by David Emmett, an oracle when you agree with him.

I myself take the Pedrosa 2015 thing as unproven, btw, but as if any example was needed this is a further example of your complete inconsistency.
 
RCV600RR said:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/spor...ct0110-jammed-throttle-caused-pedrosa-crash-/



It looks like half of you Rossi haters don't even watch MotoGP. You have Keshav thinking there's no GP at Misano and that Stoner won two titles with Ducati, and then you have a bloke like you who didn't know that Pedrosa crashed in FP at Motegi 2010, breaking his collarbone and forcing him to skip the race.

You make it too easy.
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And you are the one who accuses others of generalising. Show some evidence that Barry to whom you were replying, or me for that matter, was unaware of any of those 3 things.
 
Title of thread... "Hack MotoGP journalist David Emmett/Kropo of Motomatters discussion"

18 straight pages discussing yet again Rossi/Marquez Sepang 2015. Some thing never changed here, no wonder this forum has 8 regular members..

I still wait for Livio Stuppo and Honda damming evidence of data support proof of kick...:spin:
 
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RCV600RR said:
But that wasn't his point.

He said Marquez wasn't at fault for the incident. I mentioned that even MM conceded that it was his mistake.

He said that because Miller conceded he made a mistake with Lorenzo, he should've been punished like MM was punished merely because he admitted he made a mistake. Regrettably, because 22 is thick, he failed to realize that the gravity of the two incidents was different (MM had already taken out a rider in the same race, MM's actions caused Rossi to crash, broken starting grid procedure, punted Syahrin on Saturday, punted Rabat etc.).

I already said that when someone of high stature is subject to an incident (Rossi v Marquez in Argentina 15, Rossi v Marquez in Argentina 17) it garners much more attention than when it happens to Rabat. This is an unfortunate and disappointing reality. The penalties must be consistent.
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That is the whole point of the argument. Rossi, the most prominent of all has for nearly 2 decades now received different treatment than other high profile riders, both from officialdom and in general since he has the most fans, and the Argentinian incident with its very close parallels to the Rossi/Stoner incident at Jerez 2011 is a prime example of this. Sure MM has also received favourable treatment in the past, rather the problem as I have said previously because there are now two riders who expect other riders to concede to them/are convinced they have eminent domain.
 
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paparazzo said:
Title of thread... "Hack MotoGP journalist David Emmett/Kropo of Motomatters discussion"

18 straight pages discussing yet again Rossi/Marquez Sepang 2015. Some thing never changed here, no wonder this forum has 8 regular members..

I still wait for Livio Stuppo and Honda damming evidence of data support proof of kick...:spin:
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Why do you idiots get on here trying to make rossi the centre of attention?. rossi is not even a contender .... he's in 7th place FFS, and even that is with the most deplorable assistance of Dorna. :rolleyes:
 
RCV600RR said:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/spor...ct0110-jammed-throttle-caused-pedrosa-crash-/



It looks like half of you Rossi haters don't even watch MotoGP. You have Keshav thinking there's no GP at Misano and that Stoner won two titles with Ducati, and then you have a bloke like you who didn't know that Pedrosa crashed in FP at Motegi 2010, breaking his collarbone and forcing him to skip the race.

You make it too easy.
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Yes I mispoke re: Misano. Note however - I quickly copped to it, unlike you lot who regardless of how fantastic your mistakes may be... you all just double down with more ......... Had it been the other way around Maggie would instead of saying he was wrong would threaten to run me over with his motorcycle (the one that he doesn't have) or tell me I was chickenshit because I wouldn't fly to the north pole for axe fighting or some such belicose schoolboy crap.

I never said Stoner won two times. And no I'm not back walking it either. Zero championships won by Rossi on the Ducati are regardless, worth zero and one championship is theoretically worth an infinity times what zero is because zero is a negative.

Moreover you are now clutching at straws by diverting and distracting from the real issue my statements notwithstanding.
 
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RCV600RR said:
Actually, you made the claim. See what I mean about amnesia? You said that Rossi confronted Espargaro. I told you that Espargaro explicitly contradicted that on his Twitter on the same day. Twitter is blocked on my
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Outright lie. Why don't you quote the post where I said what you claim I did? I said he confronted Pedrosa, not Espargaro. You are the one who needs to learn to read.

How convenient that "Twitter is blocked" on your computer. Seeing as you used it earlier to quote the Michael Laverty tweet I mentioned. So while you may think I'm thick, most people here think you're a .....

Good day. :)
 
Keshav said:
I never said Stoner won two times. And no I'm not back walking it either. Zero championships won by Rossi on the Ducati are regardless, worth zero and one championship is theoretically worth an infinity times what zero is because zero is a negative.
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Oh is that the bit he is concocting the " 2 Stoner Ducati wins" crap about. :rolleyes:

Rcv you are a total bopper loser ....... I dont think anything factual ever comes out of you. Just warped idiotic distortions of the truth. :rolleyes:

Why are you even trying to include rossi here ..... he's not even a contender.
 
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Outright lie. Why don't you quote the post where I said what you claim I did? I said he confronted Pedrosa, not Espargaro. You are the one who needs to learn to read.

How convenient that "Twitter is blocked" on your computer. Seeing as you used it earlier to quote the Michael Laverty tweet I mentioned. So while you may think I'm thick, most people here think you're a .....

Good day. :)
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I just figured it out. Boppers are beings that are bleeding through from a close by layer of the multiverse where humans instead of being carbon based, are composed of pure .........
 
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I'd still like to know how RCV knows that MM was slowing VR's pace at Sepang '15?

VR was slow when it mattered down the stretch in '15.

It can't be possible that VR couldn't get away from MM because he didn't have the pace?
 
paparazzo said:
Title of thread... "Hack MotoGP journalist David Emmett/Kropo of Motomatters discussion"

18 straight pages discussing yet again Rossi/Marquez Sepang 2015. Some thing never changed here, no wonder this forum has 8 regular members..

I still wait for Livio Stuppo and Honda damming evidence of data support proof of kick...:spin:
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The whole point is contrasting MM’s treatment with that of Rossi in similar circumstances, which Is the whole reason why the posters you dispute on here have developed their current attitudes. I see much closer parallels with Jerez 2011 myself, but the facts are that Rossi was more reckless in both incidents and received no in race penalty, and it was his opponents rather than the guilty party in Rossi who were pilloried after both those races.
 
BarryMachine said:
Oh is that the bit he is concocting the " 2 Stoner Ducati wins" crap about. :rolleyes:

Rcv you are a total bopper loser ....... I dont think anything factual ever comes out of you. Just warped idiotic distortions of the truth. :rolleyes:

Why are you even trying to include rossi here ..... he's not even a contender.
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I disagree. Although I don’t agree with him about the Argentinian incident RCV is usually prepared to argue his position rationally rather than declaring articles of faith as is characteristic of the breed to which you refer.
 
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michaelm said:
There was plenty of contact at LS08, they were jostling each other all the way on the lead up to Rossi’s off track excursion because Stoner refused to concede the inside line to the corner which he had maintained after Rossi had squeezed him to the inside margin of the track on the previous corner. Rossi in fact skewed across the front of Stoner at the Corkscrew because he was going too fast to make the corner on the line he was, as evidenced by him going off track with no contact from Stoner at that point. There would have been major contact on his return to the track if Stoner had not taken rapid evasive action, and Stoner later in the race elected to go off track rather than into Rossi which he easily could have done when Rossi slowed midcorner.
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Definitely Rossi's fault. Stoner's contact didn't cause Rossi to make his corkscrew pass.
 
povol said:
Serious question as you seem to wanting pin 15 on Marc somehow. Do you really think what Marquez did at Sepang was wrong considering Rossi had called him out in front of the world and called him a lier and a cheat. This two wrongs don’t make a right .... is t going to cut it. What exactly did you think was going to happen . I think I know what you were thinking. Marc will go sulk like the rest have done. But that’s not what happened. Marc was a man about it, challenged the instigator to a dual that Rossi took the cowards way out. Marc didn’t do anything wrong that day except expose Rossi for a coward.
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Rossi made a quite insulting and serious accusation. Marquez was clearly insulted. I recall that during FP, they sat on the edge of the track staring at each other while riding at 5km/h. It was remarkably tense.

While Rossi was a goose to say that, Marquez stooped down to his level and showed him what it really means to interfere with Rossi. However, that's obviously an unwise action. Even though Rossi's accusation was wrong, think about it from the third person's angle, before the race: If MM slows Rossi down on purpose and allows Rossi's rivals to get away when he has a slim lead, what is going to be the likely result? The likely result is that Rossi (and virtually any rider) will lose their cool and do something even dumber.

For that reason, I think both riders shared some fault. However, Rossi must bear more blame because (i) he started the war and (ii) he slowed Marquez down to get into that stupid mid corner stare down.
 
michaelm said:
That is the whole point of the argument. Rossi, the most prominent of all has for nearly 2 decades now received different treatment than other high profile riders, both from officialdom and in general since he has the most fans, and the Argentinian incident with its very close parallels to the Rossi/Stoner incident at Jerez 2011 is a prime example of this. Sure MM has also received favourable treatment in the past, rather the problem as I have said previously because there are now two riders who expect other riders to concede to them/convinced they have eminent domain.
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I agree that Rossi is treated more leniently. I think MM would've copped a bigger penalty had he done what Rossi did at Sepang.

I think what got Marquez penalized at Argentina was that he was a repeat offender over the weekend (versus one strangely optimistic move at Jerez). However, I cannot exclude the possibility that Rossi was not penalized at Jerez due to his stature. In fact, it's likely (and obviously unfair).
 
There's far easier ways to slow a rider down than by actually racing them. Marc was on the limit and again, if Rossi had the pace he could easily have gotten away. Something you continue to ignore. He was slow relative to Pedrosa and Lorenzo, and didn't need to be slowed down.
 
JPSLotus said:
There's far easier ways to slow a rider down than by actually racing them. Marc was on the limit and again, if Rossi had the pace he could easily have gotten away. Something you continue to ignore. He was slow relative to Pedrosa and Lorenzo, and didn't need to be slowed down.
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I've already responded to you. The fact that you didn't address my points is a tacit admission that you have been unable to do so. Until you're able to do that, I won't engage with you.
 
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