Guareschi: I've never seen a talent like Casey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Mar 7 2010, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I asked Schwantz about that at Valencia and he said it started when his foot slipped off the peg, and it took time and effort to get it back onto the peg. Schwantz had a rational explanation for why Rossi does the leg wave, Keith Code believes it is snake oil and mind games.



I can tell the diff between a slipped of the foot peg and a leg dangle for balance thank you. And besides the last time i had lunch Eddie Lawson he said Keith Code was full of .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 7 2010, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

I can tell the diff between a slipped of the foot peg and a leg dangle for balance thank you. And besides the last time i had lunch Eddie Lawson he said Keith Code was full of .....

The point is that the leg dangle is mainly for show and b/c Rossi likes to do it. I don't think anyone is implying that Rossi is a faker, only that he's adding superfluous elements to his style.

I think that during the braking cycle there is nothing to do for a short time. It helps to dangle the leg out, time its return to the peg, then go through the apex acceleration routine. So to me it is just a gap filling measure that lets their brains do something, anything, to continue a rhythm rather than have a short period where they are not doing anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 7 2010, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The point is that the leg dangle is mainly for show and b/c Rossi likes to do it. I don't think anyone is implying that Rossi is a faker, only that he's adding superfluous elements to his style.

That and the HUGE chortle he must get watching other riders emulate him.

Wait 'till he straps a live chicken to the back seat!  "Is my seeecrit to win!"  

Maybe there isn't any "mystery" in the leg out thing

You have to remember these guys ride every corner on the edge, so perhaps they come in hard under brakes the rear end is up in the air, the front is slowing faster than the back but they have to keep the bike online, With the rear in the air its like a big pendulun thats about to swing outward when you try to take the corner ( lean in ) so an inside leg stuck out give a fair bit more balance and impedence to that propensity to swing out. Well at least it would be the bodies reaction to stick out as many body parts as are available

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slev7n @ Mar 4 2010, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah i know the guys is very good(you have to be if you're a world champion)... i'm just saying ,cause the last time ,tardozzi said something about him and the guys just went crazy


Actually, it was the Boppers (thers only one kind) that went crazy, as u hav tried here to start another hissy match (despite u pretending to be a buster). The guy says an insightful comment about an amazing rider of which he had first hand perspective and ur first reaction was to fuel the ........ artists on here? If Burgess says Rossi is amazing, r u gonna make the same attempt to taint the statement?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 8 2010, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

I can tell the diff between a slipped of the foot peg and a leg dangle for balance thank you.

I am just quoting the exact words Kevin Schwantz told me. He said that it started because he couldn't get the leg back onto the peg straight away when he took it off to reposition his foot. So perhaps "foot slip" was incorrect. If you'd like to point out to Schwantz that he doesn't know the difference, he's at most of the races, and is very approachable.

Schwantz explanation was something like transferring weight onto the outside peg. He was, however, sceptical as to just how much difference it makes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 7 2010, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whilst I agree that Stoner is the most talented rider currently on the grid I think that Rossi is the most talented racer.
Nice thought. The way Stoner rides the Ducati is amazing, as is the way Rossi's almost always able to find a way to win.

My 2 cents about that leg dangle thing... I do not own a road bike, nor any other "big" bikes. But I used to ride my '50cc-to-115cc' Piaggio Vespa when I was a kid. When riding fast, just before a turn and during part of it, I used to put my leg out in the same way Rossi and others do. It makes you feel more confident while turning, just as if in case you were going to slip and fall you have your foot out to keep you standing 'on your feet'. Then it surely has something to do with balance and it 'prepares your weight for being moved'. They can be small things, but in a rider's mind they do a lot of a difference as far as concentration and riding self-confidence.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 7 2010, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look at Pedrosa for a good example of a talented rider who is not a talented racer.

Not trying to be difficult - but that's not really an explanation. When GP racers
are trying to achieve the best pole position - they are not trading paint - but they're
still racing. They are - as they say, racing the track not each other - but they are
still riding competitively so it's still racing. Pedrosa is not known for slicing and dicing
but he is known for his frequent appearance on the podium. I've never seen Rossi
or any other rider with a 12 second lead all of a sudden slow down so that the guy
behind could battle it out for the sake of entertaining the crowd. Racers race to win.
Stoner and Pedrosa get a lot of .... largely because they're not as charismatic as
Rossi. They don't provide as much "theater" as the Italian. A lot of folks seem to
confuse spectacle for race-craft. I enjoy watching Rossi and Lorenzo fight it out
as much as anyone and last year Lorenzo treated us to some high drama and
gained a lot of admirers - but he also crashed a lot. Stoner on the other hand
is known for getting out front and more frequently arriving at the checkered
flag with the shiny side up - which makes him a "Racer". Pedrosa has come back
time and again from horrendous injury, fighting a tide of negative press, riding
the poorly developed Honda and being undermined by his ....... of a manager
and continues to end up on the podium finishing ahead of a lot of other world
class GP competitors. If he's not a racer - what does that say about the guys
who are finishing behind him?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 5 2010, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh they will you better get a box of kleenex ready for when barry, son of and TP70 read this....
Yeah, I had a massive .... about this article. Sorry, I'm still cleaning the computer screen. Some of you guys amaze me at your stupidity.



















BTW, I cooked lunch today for the man who would beat Rossi on an NSR 7 times out of 10. My dad, the best rider on a 500. Guess who?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 8 2010, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, it was the Boppers (thers only one kind) that went crazy, as u hav tried here to start another hissy match (despite u pretending to be a buster). The guy says an insightful comment about an amazing rider of which he had first hand perspective and ur first reaction was to fuel the ........ artists on here? If Burgess says Rossi is amazing, r u gonna make the same attempt to taint the statement?
of course not!! because rossi is amazing!!!!

come on jumkie you know that the RED boppers(they do exist) took tardozzi's thoughts as they were the absolute truth so i though the same thing would happen with guareschi ,besides i'm not sayin stoner is not amazing cause HE IS AMAZING!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Mar 7 2010, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ummm - what exactly is the difference between rider and racer?
I would say the difference is, a great rider can put in consistent fast lap time's where a great racer can use race craft skills to battle and gain places. We have seen riders like pedrosa get the hole shot then go on to lead the race and win. We have also seen him unable go gain places when fighting in the pack. A great rider he is but imho he is not a great racer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 8 2010, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say the difference is, a great rider can put in consistent fast lap time's where a great racer can use race craft skills to battle and gain places. We have seen riders like pedrosa get the hole shot then go on to lead the race and win. We have also seen him unable go gain places when fighting in the pack. A great rider he is but imho he is not a great racer.
Exactly compa!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 8 2010, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say the difference is, a great rider can put in consistent fast lap time's where a great racer can use race craft skills to battle and gain places. We have seen riders like pedrosa get the hole shot then go on to lead the race and win. We have also seen him unable go gain places when fighting in the pack. A great rider he is but imho he is not a great racer.

Agreed. Good point well made. Even Rossi admits that if Pedro gets away from the start he is tough to beat because he can run consistently fast at the front. No one doubts that he is talented and is a great rider, but I just don't see him toughing it out when it really matters.
Rossi vs Biaggi, Rossi vs Gibbers, Rossi vs Stoner, Rossi vs Jorge. There has been plenty of really great battles between this lot. Never really remember too many with Pedro. Great rider, but perhaps not a great MOTOGP racer ???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Mar 8 2010, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Good point well made. Even Rossi admits that if Pedro gets away from the start he is tough to beat because he can run consistently fast at the front. No one doubts that he is talented and is a great rider, but I just don't see him toughing it out when it really matters.
Rossi vs Biaggi, Rossi vs Gibbers, Rossi vs Stoner, Rossi vs Jorge. There has been plenty of really great battles between this lot. Never really remember too many with Pedro. Great rider, but perhaps not a great MOTOGP racer ???
Then racers like , melandri. Elias, Capi who were great fighter's in the pack spring to mind and in comparison gibber's, pedro, hopper who cant fight there way out of a wet paper bag.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 8 2010, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then racers like , melandri. Elias, Capi who were great fighter's in the pack spring to mind and in comparison gibber's, pedro, hopper who cant fight there way out of a wet paper bag.


Thats a bit harsh Rog, that paper bag was actually quite dry.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 8 2010, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats a bit harsh Rog, that paper bag was actually quite dry.
i thought that would bring you out of your hiding place

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 8 2010, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> i thought that would bring you out of your hiding place


Ha Ha!!!! Actually just read the start o this post, so Casey is a god because he uses his back brake as traction control? Doohan was well known for Doohan (sorry!) that on the 2 strokes long before bikes became remote control.

Pete

Only an Emu would say Stoner is not a great racer

Wins in the current formula:

Stoner 20
Rossi 20


Not a great racer

Stoner is currently the most talented, rider/racer out there bar none. Many in the paddock/around the paddock, are saying it so there must be somethng in what they see and hear about. They can make assessments based on a closer look at all those "hidden" things we just can't get access to, eg. just how good is the Duc.?

All this "not a racer" talk is just self dispensation to appease the masses ( the boppers ), and is a sideline to the real issue, many are saying Stoner is better ..... and are saying "better than Rossi". Even Tardossi prepared for the reaction to his belief ( ie. that such inane comments as "but Rossi is a better racer .... would be sought ) with a preliminary rebuttal of such doctrine.




If however, if the assessment includes ........ attracts irrationally needy fans, then Stoner looses out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 9 2010, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BTW, I cooked lunch today for the man who would beat Rossi on an NSR 7 times out of 10. My dad, the best rider on a 500. Guess who?


Only seven!!! you ungrateful wretch!!