Guareschi: I've never seen a talent like Casey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 5 2010, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give it up and take a tablet you sicko !!

You are wrong ....... live with it.
Raw nerve Berry?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 6 2010, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats cool..lets see how buddy buddy they stay when Spies pulls a hard pass on Stoner...

By the way..its all in the plan...Spies is gonna get in Adriannas panties

Yeah let's hope spies can get the kind of special love going with adriana that you and I enjoy curve - deep love I think you called it last time we were together...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 5 2010, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah let's hope spies can get the kind of special love going with adriana that you and I enjoy curve - deep love I think you called it last time we were together...

yeah that was hot



back on topic..this Guareschi cat is full of .......or ....... ........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Mar 6 2010, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah let's hope spies can get the kind of special love going you and I enjoy curve - deep love I think you called it last time we were together...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 6 2010, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah that was hot


.... !!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Mar 5 2010, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wise decision considering the past 2 seasons

no offense meant to TP...but this had me laughing out loud....

Stoner the win this yr's

Rossi had a great test at Sepang this year finishing .2 seconds/lap quicker than Stoner who finished 19 seconds ahead of Rossi @ Sepang last year. Maybe Rossi will get second instead of third this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 4 2010, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Casey has so much talent, I've never seen the same in anybody else, not even in Rossi.

.. well, no one denies Stoner is massively talented. People say "he this, you that" about the riders, belittle one to praise another, to make some point as in the article.

When I watched the races live (the 1000's at Sepang and the 800's at Donnington park), it was indeed the Ducati riders/bikes that outshone the rest in speed and I ended up paying heaps of compliments to Casey's ride. However Rossi's riding just happens to give that kick to most people because there is some magic about the mind at play as well.. something which an artist would do, not necessarily seen in sportsmen - that sets him apart.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sarita @ Mar 6 2010, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.. well, no one denies Stoner is massively talented. People say "he this, you that" about the riders, belittle one to praise another, to make some point as in the article.

When I watched the races live (the 1000's at Sepang and the 800's at Donnington park), it was indeed the Ducati riders/bikes that outshone the rest in speed and I ended up paying heaps of compliments to Casey's ride. However Rossi's riding just happens to give that kick to most people because there is some magic about the mind at play as well.. something which an artist would do, not necessarily seen in sportsmen - that sets him apart.

I don't know, I think Rossi is more.........adaptable and professional.

Rossi always appears to be outdoing himself and he has the uncanny ability to interact with the competition. Catalunya was probably the greatest performance (from the fans standpoint) of his career, and it happened after his thirtieth birthday. It was like Jerez 2005, but in 2009 version, he doesn't ram his competitor in the final bend. He gets better and better.

Stoner is a little bit more like the mad artist. Everything has to be just so or he can't reproduce his best work. He's doesn't play off of the competition, but when he's on song, he treats us to performances that are technically superior to anything Rossi or anyone else has ever delivered. Stoner can modulate every control simultaneously while sliding both ends, and he does it on the bike no one else can ride.

Rossi is too smart to ride that far over the line for 30 laps 18 times a season. He crosses the line very sparingly and sometimes it's beautiful (Catalunya 2009, Mugello 2006) sometimes its quite awful (Jerez 2005, Laguna 2008).

Rossi is the GOAT b/c he's smart and he knows his limits. Imo, those limits are not quite as far "out there" as Stoner's.

Oh yes, for the record Hayden is one of those talents, too, it's just that his skill set is more or less obsolete. His magic was braking later than anyone had ever braked before and then cornering on a line no one else dared to replicate. When the bikes had 24L of fuel, very little electronics, and hard compound tires; it was a valuable skill.

In the era of 21 L, 9 super-computer ECUs, and soft tires that work hand-in-hand with traction control, Hayden's skill set is woefully out of place.

His career is like the legend of John Henry. He is the greatest of a dying breed, but he manages to defeat modern technology in 2006. Immediately after his victory, his career dies any unceremonious death. The evil pocket bikes rule the world nowadays.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 6 2010, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I think Rossi is more.........adaptable and professional.

Rossi always appears to be outdoing himself and he has the uncanny ability to interact with the competition. Catalunya was probably the greatest performance (from the fans standpoint) of his career, and it happened after his thirtieth birthday. It was like Jerez 2005, but in 2009 version, he doesn't ram his competitor in the final bend. He gets better and better.

Stoner is a little bit more like the mad artist. Everything has to be just so or he can't reproduce his best work. He's doesn't play off of the competition, but when he's on song, he treats us to performances that are technically superior to anything Rossi or anyone else has ever delivered. Stoner can modulate every control simultaneously while sliding both ends, and he does it on the bike no one else can ride.

Rossi is too smart to ride that far over the line for 30 laps 18 times a season. He crosses the line very sparingly and sometimes it's beautiful (Catalunya 2009, Mugello 2006) sometimes its quite awful (Jerez 2005, Laguna 2008).

Rossi is the GOAT b/c he's smart and he knows his limits. Imo, those limits are not quite as far "out there" as Stoner's.
Brilliant Post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 6 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The evil pocket bikes rule the world nowadays.
.. and that is the nature of the beast that is today's technology. We don't use it to probe mars, but make us modern day cavemen playing with microchips not knowing where it should all go and fade talent. Oh the irony of evolution.

Evolution is always right though and thank god it chose MotoGP rather than Mars which is really just a wasteland with no good tracks to speak of and ugly women...or so I've heard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 6 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I think Rossi is more.........adaptable and professional.

Rossi always appears to be outdoing himself and he has the uncanny ability to interact with the competition. Catalunya was probably the greatest performance (from the fans standpoint) of his career, and it happened after his thirtieth birthday. It was like Jerez 2005, but in 2009 version, he doesn't ram his competitor in the final bend. He gets better and better.

Stoner is a little bit more like the mad artist. Everything has to be just so or he can't reproduce his best work. He's doesn't play off of the competition, but when he's on song, he treats us to performances that are technically superior to anything Rossi or anyone else has ever delivered. Stoner can modulate every control simultaneously while sliding both ends, and he does it on the bike no one else can ride.

Rossi is too smart to ride that far over the line for 30 laps 18 times a season. He crosses the line very sparingly and sometimes it's beautiful (Catalunya 2009, Mugello 2006) sometimes its quite awful (Jerez 2005, Laguna 2008).

Rossi is the GOAT b/c he's smart and he knows his limits. Imo, those limits are not quite as far "out there" as Stoner's.

Leaving the corkscrew incident aside whether it is viewed positively or negatively rossi was rather good in the remainder of the laguna 2008 race.

I would agree that stoner races himself and the track more than his opponents. This may have partly been a reflection of the characteristics of the ducatis he has been on so far and it will be interesting to see if his approach changes this year if the gp10 does prove to be different.

To win the title he needs to get on a roll and get his confidence flowing by doing well at more tracks than qatar early in the season; in 2007 he had a run of tracks that suited him/the ducati early. He also needs to stop reading his press or taking notice of it anyway; imo this is what does his head in more than rossi per se.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 6 2010, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Leaving the corkscrew incident aside whether it is viewed positively or negatively rossi was rather good in the remainder of the laguna 2008 race.

Rainey once said...

"If you pass someone going into the cork screw they'll never bother you again"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 7 2010, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rainey once said...

"If you pass someone going into the cork screw they'll never bother you again"


Well either Rainey got it awefully wrong, or Rossi did not "pass" Stoner on the corkscrew.

Cos I think there has been a few cases since, that Stoner has "given Rossi trouble"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 6 2010, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well either Rainey got it awefully wrong, or Rossi did not "pass" Stoner on the corkscrew.

Cos I think there has been a few cases since, that Stoner has "given Rossi trouble"

care full what you say brother Rainey is a hero round these parts..and stoner DID get passed..and he's not done .... since these past two years babe

so guess Wayne was right

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 6 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To win the title he needs to get on a roll and get his confidence flowing by doing well at more tracks than qatar early in the season; in 2007 he had a run of tracks that suited him/the ducati early. He also needs to stop reading his press or taking notice of it anyway; imo this is what does his head in more than rossi per se.

I think that's a big part of it, but I think they are just very different people. I'm not sure they can change at this point.

They're both virtuosos so imagine they are playing violins. Yamaha builds a violin for Rossi, Ducati builds a violin for Stoner. Before they even touch the violins, their approaches are fundamentally different. Rossi sees himself as part of the creative process. He left Honda b/c they didn't listen to him. Stoner just wants to reach the next level. He wants the problem-solving/creative processes to go away.

Just look at the way they dress. Stoner..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (not knocking him). Rossi..............fluorescent yellow leathers (or yellow leg) with a helmet that always features some kind of sun design (also tons of custom one-offs). Moon designs on the legs. The number 46 is his brand and his on track persona. He has a highly stylized web site.

One person is creative, the other seems to be more technical. So when Rossi gets the violin he immediately knows what needs to be done to customize it to his liking so he can play beautiful music. Rossi always expects to make changes. He WANTS to make changes. He's played many violins and he knows what he likes. He's already good enough, he wants to go to work on making the perfect machine.

Stoner is a critic. He will shake his head and then hand the engineers a list of improvements to be made. He doesn't seem to enjoy solving problems or customizing the bike. In fact, that seems to be his least favorite part. Stoner knows how far he is going to push the limit, he can't get there with a bunk instrument. Even if he's winning he's not content b/c he doesn't measure himself according to the competition, but he does hate it when the press refuse to realize that he is great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 7 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that's a big part of it, but I think they are just very different people. I'm not sure they can change at this point.

They're both virtuosos so imagine they are playing violins. Yamaha builds a violin for Rossi, Ducati builds a violin for Stoner. Before they even touch the violins, their approaches are fundamentally different. Rossi sees himself as part of the creative process. He left Honda b/c they didn't listen to him. Stoner just wants to reach the next level. He wants the problem-solving/creative processes to go away.

Just look at the way they dress. Stoner..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (not knocking him). Rossi..............fluorescent yellow leathers (or yellow leg) with a helmet that always features some kind of sun design (also tons of custom one-offs). Moon designs on the legs. The number 46 is his brand and his on track persona. He has a highly stylized web site.

One person is creative, the other seems to be more technical. So when Rossi gets the violin he immediately knows what needs to be done to customize it to his liking so he can play beautiful music. Rossi always expects to make changes. He WANTS to make changes. He's played many violins and he knows what he likes. He's already good enough, he wants to go to work on making the perfect machine.

Stoner is a critic. He will shake his head and then hand the engineers a list of improvements to be made. He doesn't seem to enjoy solving problems or customizing the bike. In fact, that seems to be his least favorite part. Stoner knows how far he is going to push the limit, he can't get there with a bunk instrument. Even if he's winning he's not content b/c he doesn't measure himself according to the competition, but he does hate it when the press refuse to realize that he is great.
Are we talking about motorcycle racers, musicians, fashion or ....'s??