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moto vudu said:
Rossi has had poor starting positions often throughout his career. He has been able to successfully work his way to the front of races without smashing into the riders he passed. Yes, GP riders are expected to be aggressive and sometimes passes can be mistimed and accidents happen. But you no rider should be able to get away with everything Marc did in one race weekend without severe penalty.
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Tell it to Sete Gibernau or Casey Stoner who being high quality riders with standards of behaviour managed to avoid torpedoes by Rossi, the Laguna Seca corkscrew torpedo avoided by Stoner would have been a quite high speed and dangerous one, not that even doing his best to get out of an over ambitious Rossi’s way helped at Jerez 2011, or obviously MM himself for that matter. I have again perhaps ironically blamed MM for contesting a faster Rossi who had easily caught him at Argentina 2015, but others who watched the race live and are more knowledgeable than I am have their doubts about that incident and not just Sepang 2015 as has been raised. I am not even sure about some of the Biaggi stuff now.
 
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danski said:
People are dragging up examples of Rossi's questionable moves, the difference is those were done over a few races through the years. #murdermarc equalled that in one.
He deserves a race ban.
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What a load of utter bollox, so if I go and kill one person a day for a week its not as bad as killing 7 in one go?
PS have you escaped from the farm?
 
synn said:
This was the return of the old Marquez, a guy I am not terribly fond of.
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See this is were you are probably going wrong. :eek:

I think you dont realise, that because you are a total ........, you actually make folk like Marquez more.

And dont get me wrong Im not calling you a total dicked because of your race, sexual preference, IQ, socio-economic status, political status, criminal record, or physical deformity. Im calling you a total ........ because you are a total ......... ;)
 
moto vudu said:
I've been saying that for a while, but Arrabbi claims I'm full of BS. He goes all the way back to Lorenzo's 125cc days to dig up examples of Lorenzo doing "ok" in the wet or mixed conditions. Lorenzo's confidence on low grip surfaces has been long gone. He doesn't even try anymore.
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So why did Ducati take him on if he's been crap since the year dot in mixed weather, even then he was at Yamaha he was rubbish in the wet.
 
Very interesting, betting sites are starting to provide bets on "torpedoing"
coefficient for Marquez and Ross is below 1.
 
valerian said:
4. Rossi should never have used the word "scared". It's weak. Maybe it's because he's Italian and he couldn't find the right word.
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He let the monkey say it and he meant scarred. Rossi's English is a lot better than he lets on. I don't agree with MM's antics this weekend, but I do wonder if Rossi thought ooh look its MM lets see if I can make him get a penalty, so I won't stand the bike up as it'll make me look like chicken .....
Yeah I can't stand the custard coward since 2015, he's a fraud.
 
It seems to me that world champions fall into two camps - the ones that win one championship and the ones that win multiple.

The one time winners usually come across as nice guys and get along with most within the sport and with the fans and public in general. Nicky Haydon, Jenson Button etc.

The multiple champs tend to be not so nice or ultra competitive and win at all cost. Be that punt your opposition into the weeds, sell your granny, ..... and moan but winning is everything

Senna, Schumacher, Rossi, Marquez

There are exceptions to the rule of course but I for one am glad that there are riders out there who fall into both camps because this is what makes this sport so good to watch !
 
Theo said:
He let the monkey say it and he meant scarred. Rossi's English is a lot better than he lets on. I don't agree with MM's antics this weekend, but I do wonder if Rossi thought ooh look its MM lets see if I can make him get a penalty, so I won't stand the bike up as it'll make me look like chicken .....
Yeah I can't stand the custard coward since 2015, he's a fraud.
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As I said earlier Rossi never stands the bike up and prefers contact but expects others to stand the bike up to avoid contact. When they complain he calls them soft etc.
 
Theo said:
but I do wonder if Rossi thought ooh look its MM lets see if I can make him get a penalty, so I won't stand the bike up as it'll make me look like chicken .....
Yeah I can't stand the custard coward since 2015, he's a fraud.
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Because of the history of the past years ...... you have to wonder :D.
 
synn said:
You would be frothing at the mouth if Rossi went backwards on the circuit and tangled with 6 riders in one weekend.

.... off with your fake neutrality.
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It would seem somewhat likely you are long accustomed to being told to .... off yourself in your everyday life, hence the apparent need to be a “fake” tough guy on an Internet forum you purport to despise.

Handy to run both sides of the argument, pretty much the only way you can make any headway. So you both decide that I claim neutrality and dismiss something I don’t claim myself as fake?.

My attitude is well known, I thought Rossi was a great rider in his pomp and all his success was both well earned/deserved and can’t be taken away from him. The only time I for a brief period actively disliked him prior to late season 2015 was, ironically again, post the Jerez 2011 race, for which I eventually gave him some benefit of the doubt. I have despised an element of his fandom for a decade or more, and it has now become clear he is fully complicit with them and an ace manipulator, which is becoming rather pathetic.
 
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MichaelBolton said:
Had MM crashed into Maverick instead of Rossi, the boppers would have applauded, Jarvis would have most likely accepted the apology and Viñales would have accepted the situation even if frustrated. To me is clear that it’s not Marc the one destroying the sport.
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Indeed.

May I also underline that:


-no one gave a .... about MM's move on vinales during FP.
-no one gave a .... about MM overtaking espargaro.
-no one gave a .... about Zarco taking down Pedrosa.
-no one gave a .... about Petrucci overtaking Espargaro which, by Espargaro's words, was rougher that MM's overtake.


But I guess it's a coincidence.
 
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Great race by the top 4. Miller was robbed, having suffered the same scenario myself at races it's unfair he was penalised for making the right call. They should either have a cutoff point where they cannot change tyres and have to come in at the end of the first lap (though you are back to the pit lane congestion issues again) or given Jack a 10 sec head start. The 'front row' were nowhere near as far back as had they had to start from pit lane.

Zarco is ever the bridesmaid but will be the bride soon. Great to see Rins up and but even greater to see Cal win it, much to the dismay of his critics on here. He was so modest on the podium too :D
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Sorry Miller had screwed his tyres by the halfway mark, its a wonder he even finished.
 
p4p1 said:
As I said earlier Rossi never stands the bike up and prefers contact but expects others to stand the bike up to avoid contact. When they complain he calls them soft etc.
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Maybe thats his chicken .... move? Makes him bleat like a sheep on steroids.
 
GraPie said:
LMAO!!!

The fact that "God save the Queen" had to be played in Argentina was completely lost on me- until reading through this thread and these posts.

LOL::cool:
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You can bet one thing, they'll hate Cal now, such a shame he couldn't have borrowed that number plate from Top Gear hahahahaha.
 
Holypuck said:
Indeed.

May I also underline that:


-no one gave a .... about MM's move on vinales during FP.
-no one gave a .... about MM overtaking espargaro.
-no one gave a .... about Zarco taking down Pedrosa.
-no one gave a .... about Petrucci overtaking Espargaro which, by Espargaro's words, was rougher that MM's overtake.


But I guess it's a coincidence.
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This is the issue. The problem is Rossi fans or those who claim to be neutral instantly go into defence mode and label anyone who disagrees with them as a "Rossi Hater" but it isn't about Rossi, the issue here is the inconsistency in the rules.

Rossi was penalised in Sepang 2015 because, according to Race Direction, he caused a crash by irresponsible riding, even though he admits he didn't intend to cause MM to crash.

Now this weekend alone, Aron Canet wiped out Yurchenko in Moto3 practice in retaliation (i.e pre meditated) to him feeling he had been blocked. Crime: Irresponsible riding causing a rider to crash.
Penalty: None

In MotoGP, Zarco caused Pedrosa to crash. It is irrelevant if they touched or not, by the rules laid out in 2015 by Dorna themselves, his move was 'irresponsible and caused another rider to crash'
Crime: Irresponsible riding causing a rider to crash.
Penalty: None

Marc Marquez made contact with Espargaro but cruicially did not cause him to crash
Crime: Irresponsible riding, but did not cause a rider to crash
Penalty: Drop 1 position.

There is a huge inconsistency there. I have been an proponent of Marquez getting harder punishments, especially in his early days (Silverstone 2013 warmup being the main example) and agree that his move on Rossi was a '3rd strike' in that race and that his penalty was justified. However, another example of inconsistency:

2011 Le Mans. Simoncelli caused Pedrosa to crash while attempting an overtake
Crime: Irresponsible riding causing a rider to crash.
Penalty: Ride through

2015: Sepang. Rossi causes Marquez to crash
Crime: Irresponsible riding causing a rider to crash.
Penalty: 2 points, which on their own were nothing. It's only because he had 1 from earlier in the season that ANY penalty was applied. Crucially, this penalty was applied after the race because race direction wanted to 'Investigate fully and consider Rossi's position in the championship'

Argentina 2018: Marquez causes a crash with Rossi while attempting an overtake
Crime: Irresponsible Riding Causing a rider to crash.
Penalty: 30 seconds (because there wasn't time to give him a ride through)

It is inconsistent that any rider except Rossi is given an in race penalty, but in 2015 Rossi himself was given no RACE penalty for doing something arguably more malicious than any of the incidents above (except Canet)

Theo said:
Sorry Miller had screwed his tyres by the halfway mark, its a wonder he even finished.
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When I say robbed, he should have had a much larger early race advantage then he ultimately did.
 
Holypuck said:
Indeed.

May I also underline that:


-no one gave a .... about MM's move on vinales during FP.
-no one gave a .... about MM overtaking espargaro.
-no one gave a .... about Zarco taking down Pedrosa.
-no one gave a .... about Petrucci overtaking Espargaro which, by Espargaro's words, was rougher that MM's overtake.


But I guess it's a coincidence.
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People gave a .... in this very thread.
LRN2RD
 

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