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Gran Premio Motul de la Comunitat Valenciana 2022

To me, racers are like artists: I don’t care about their ... life, hobbies, interests, politics, drinking or drug use or anything else beyond his or her capability to ride the bike when they show up at the track. It’s like artists, musicians and writers: same thing. I can love Celine’s writing and detest his politics.

It’s not that I don’t care about these things, some of them I do but that’s a whole ‘nother oprah.
I don’t think you can separate the art from the artist.
 
Hi I'm new here. Today was a big win for a group who doesn't have many wins. A group of people who have been prosecuted for their crimes long enough. That group is drunk drivers. Today showed us that you can drink and drive, crash your car and face no consequences what so ever. Not only that but if people question your actions your friends and teammates may jump down their throat in defense of your actions. This is a huge win for all the people locked up for vehicular manslaughter. So the next time you have way too much to drink and have to decide if you should drive home or not, have one more and celebrate this win for drunkards everywhere before starting your car and driving home. So congratulations to Petco Bagnia and all the other alcoholics who refuse to even acknowledge their actions. This win is for you. Drink one for me tonight.
Morality Police much? Who amongst us has not at one time been young and dumb? I would have thought you would be the last to jump on the Cancel Culture bandwagon.
 
Nice to see that health concerns are taken seriously


Agreed, though he questionably had his best race of the yr!

The guy IS a monster.

Good race, predictable outcome. I think Fabio backed off and realised it was over after he was going 100% and Binder passed him. Glad to see Rins give Suzuki a golden farewell, and if Binder/KTM can keep that performance up into the new season we may have another title contender on their hands.

Now, if I were Alex Rins....

AR "Hey Can I keep the bike I won Suzuki's last race on as a parting gift?"
Suzuki "Sure Alex! It's the least we can do!"

Tuesday Morning:
AR in the Honda Garage "Hey Guys, take this bike back to Japan, strip it down completely. Measure/analyse whatever you want to make the RCV as good as the GSXR and bring ig back to me in January"
 
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Morality Police much? Who amongst us has not at one time been young and dumb? I would have thought you would be the last to jump on the Cancel Culture bandwagon.
Morality police? This dude did something that has consequences for everyone but himself. Honestly I get we all were young and made mistakes but most have owned up to it if being caught and learned from it. I don't blame him has much as I blame dorna and ducati for not punishing him for it. It was obvious that they wanted to make it disappear instead of punishing him or at least having him make a statement to apologize for his actions. Not only that but Jack Miller got aggressive with the media for bringing it up. I have never in my life seen an athlete not punished for this. Hector Barbera was fired from his moto2 team for it. It's a bad look for all involved and anyone who has lost a family member due to drunk driving will probably never look at this sport the same again.
 
Morality police? This dude did something that has consequences for everyone but himself. Honestly I get we all were young and made mistakes but most have owned up to it if being caught and learned from it. I don't blame him has much as I blame dorna and ducati for not punishing him for it. It was obvious that they wanted to make it disappear instead of punishing him or at least having him make a statement to apologize for his actions. Not only that but Jack Miller got aggressive with the media for bringing it up. I have never in my life seen an athlete not punished for this. Hector Barbera was fired from his moto2 team for it. It's a bad look for all involved and anyone who has lost a family member due to drunk driving will probably never look at this sport the same again.
He drank too much and drove into a ditch. It is not as if he thumbed his nose at everybody and told them to get over it. He apologized. I never got why it is that athletes are supposed to be pillars of society. As if these young guys aren't under enough pressure. As if they don't carry enough weight on their shoulders, that they should have to be as pure as the Pope too. I am sure that members of MADD are upset, but as the saying goes: Just because you're outraged, doesn't mean you're right.
 
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Astonishing. He wouldn’t be allowed to participate in rugby or other contact football codes, or even in cricket, but as was said in the comments can ride a bike at 350 kph despite the potentially lethal consequences for himself and his competitors.
Morality police? This dude did something that has consequences for everyone but himself. Honestly I get we all were young and made mistakes but most have owned up to it if being caught and learned from it. I don't blame him has much as I blame dorna and ducati for not punishing him for it. It was obvious that they wanted to make it disappear instead of punishing him or at least having him make a statement to apologize for his actions. Not only that but Jack Miller got aggressive with the media for bringing it up. I have never in my life seen an athlete not punished for this. Hector Barbera was fired from his moto2 team for it. It's a bad look for all involved and anyone who has lost a family member due to drunk driving will probably never look at this sport the same again.
I actually agree with you. Iirc he was twice the limit, and if so and he was drunk enough to have a crash the incident was not trivial, and I was surprised he wasn’t given a sanction. Particularly if he had a driving licence suspension, seems strange he would keep his racing licence.
 
I like that we have a rockstar who won the championship while still drinking too much. None of the sober ...... could beat him, it's like not having a drink and celebrate one lap too early is costing you 3rd place in the championship
 
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I actually agree with you. Iirc he was twice the limit, and if so and he was drunk enough to have a crash the incident was not trivial, and I was surprised he wasn’t given a sanction. Particularly if he had a driving licence suspension, seems strange he would keep his racing licence.
Can’t speak to the laws in Australia, but in the US, kids start racing motorcycles way before they are old enough to apply for a learner’s permit for a car. Someone who starts out racing mini-bikes at age 10 can gradually rise up the ranks to bigger and bigger bikes without ever having a driver’s license, which is not actually a requirement for race events not held on a public roadway. One thing really has nothing to do with the other. In cases where a driver has had only one DWI, a fine is generally applied and the driver is allowed at the very least, to be able to drive to his place of employment. And the racetrack is where Pecco is employed. I too find it laughable that athletes should be held to a moral standard that most religious leaders are incapable of holding.
 
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It appeared to me that Pecco wanted to stamp his superiority over FQ by that little dust up they had...but that aero part must be more important than it seemed.

Marc will be dangerous next near, he still has lions blood.
 
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Can’t speak to the laws in Australia, but in the US, kids start racing motorcycles way before they are old enough to apply for a learner’s permit for a car. Someone who starts out racing mini-bikes at age 10 can gradually rise up the ranks to bigger and bigger bikes without ever having a driver’s license, which is not actually a requirement for race events not held on a public roadway. One thing really has nothing to do with the other. In cases where a driver has had only one DWI, a fine is generally applied and the driver is allowed at the very least, to be able to drive to his place of employment. And the racetrack is where Pecco is employed. I too find it laughable that athletes should be held to a moral standard that most religious leaders are incapable of holding.
There has never been prohibition in Australia, in fact the economy of the nascent colony 250 years ago was pretty much run on alcohol, cf the so called rum corps.

Drink driving is treated rather seriously though, and twice the legal limit would lead to an automatic licence suspension, religious leader, medical practitioner or whatever, with potential professional consequences, a DUI conviction is notifiable to the medical registration board if you are a doctor for instance.
Can’t speak to the laws in Australia, but in the US, kids start racing motorcycles way before they are old enough to apply for a learner’s permit for a car. Someone who starts out racing mini-bikes at age 10 can gradually rise up the ranks to bigger and bigger bikes without ever having a driver’s license, which is not actually a requirement for race events not held on a public roadway. One thing really has nothing to do with the other. In cases where a driver has had only one DWI, a fine is generally applied and the driver is allowed at the very least, to be able to drive to his place of employment. And the racetrack is where Pecco is employed. I too find it laughable that athletes should be held to a moral standard that most religious leaders are incapable of holding.
what does occur is dose related neurological impairment from alcohol consumption, and twice the legal limit on most places would be well within the territory of such impairment, as someone with the super physiological reflexes Bagnaia must have crashing a vehicle would indicate as I said. Particularly if MDub has life experience he imo has a point, driving at twice the legal limit on a public road is not trivial.
 
He drank too much and drove into a ditch. It is not as if he thumbed his nose at everybody and told them to get over it. He apologized. I never got why it is that athletes are supposed to be pillars of society. As if these young guys aren't under enough pressure. As if they don't carry enough weight on their shoulders, that they should have to be as pure as the Pope too. I am sure that members of MADD are upset, but as the saying goes: Just because you're outraged, doesn't mean you're right.

Simple, celebrity worship. They are role models for millions of people and are thus held to a higher standard. They are expected to be the best on the track, so likewise as a role model, whether they like it or not, they are placed on a similar pedestal off track.

I agree they are under a lot of pressure, still doesnt excuse Pecco getting pissed then trying to drive home. It's not like he doesn't have the support to get a Taxi. And as for the pope being pure.....


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Can’t speak to the laws in Australia, but in the US, kids start racing motorcycles way before they are old enough to apply for a learner’s permit for a car. Someone who starts out racing mini-bikes at age 10 can gradually rise up the ranks to bigger and bigger bikes without ever having a driver’s license, which is not actually a requirement for race events not held on a public roadway. One thing really has nothing to do with the other. In cases where a driver has had only one DWI, a fine is generally applied and the driver is allowed at the very least, to be able to drive to his place of employment. And the racetrack is where Pecco is employed. I too find it laughable that athletes should be held to a moral standard that most religious leaders are incapable of holding.

Isn't that a case of classic deflection though? For the record, I totally agree with your stance on religious leaders. I'm an Atheist and absolutely agree that religious leaders who partake in, or don't act on reports of things like child abuse should have their bollocks cut off. However, saying "Pecco shouldn't be held to account because Catholic priests aren't' is not a valid argument.

As I said above to Walter, celebrities/sports tars are idolised by millions across the globe and much more publicly than the town pastor/vicar. Therefore they are held to a higher standard. While I don't think He should have had a ban from race riding, I certainly hope he had some sort of punishment other than not being able to drive a car in a country he doesn't even live.

It appeared to me that Pecco wanted to stamp his superiority over FQ by that little dust up they had...but that aero part must be more important than it seemed.

Marc will be dangerous next near, he still has lions blood.
I'm looking forward to it. Marc is simply a monster and has shown his arm is fixed in the latter half of this season. Here's hoping Honda give him an even remotely competitive bike.
 
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There has never been prohibition in Australia, in fact the economy of the nascent colony 250 years ago was pretty much run on alcohol, cf the so called rum corps.

Drink driving is treated rather seriously though, and twice the legal limit would lead to an automatic licence suspension, religious leader, medical practitioner or whatever, with potential professional consequences, a DUI conviction is notifiable to the medical registration board if you are a doctor for instance.

what does occur is dose related neurological impairment from alcohol consumption, and twice the legal limit on most places would be well within the territory of such impairment, as someone with the super physiological reflexes Bagnaia must have crashing a vehicle would indicate as I said. Particularly if MDub has life experience he imo has a point, driving at twice the legal limit on a public road is not trivial.
in most places
 

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