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Yes, that was a very close call. I'm going to try to rewatch it, but was MM just cruising on or near the racing line as Iannone was on a hotlap?
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Yes, that was a very close call. I'm going to try to rewatch it, but was MM just cruising on or near the racing line as Iannone was on a hotlap?
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Plagiarism. That's the word I was searching for. Perfect analogy. Parasitical comes to mind as well.
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Learn that bit of wisdom at Trump University did you?
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Actually Trump, for the little I know about Us politics, is the typical example of a self-appointed miracles/bs promising individual saviour. So... Nope. I just don't like the rhetoric that a rider who gets a tow is a coward, especially if it goes against a poor fellow like Bautista who's riding an old piece of garbage on which god himself wouldn't make a pole position/podium lap without a tow or other lucky advantages.
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When was the last time we saw lorenzo being down this many times in a weekend?? 3 times already. Has to have been in his rookie season in 2008.
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Yeah, but Stoner HATED slow riders in qualifying even more than towing. He likes the new two-levels qualifying format, I bet.
With the wild, (except for MM and VR), grid at the front, I think The Maniac is just practicing for a BIG take-down tomorrow. He is going for more than one this time. He is going to show that bowling ball what ridiculous crashing into others is all about. Whoop, whoop!
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He is a coward if you really want to get to the heart of the matter.
Find your own lines on the track instead of being a leech.
And BTW it was Barbera, not Bautista.
Like I said, he has been doing this .... since Qatar, and it's annoying as .... to watch him latching on to everyone to try and get around the track faster since he can't figure out how to do it on his own.
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Jumkie brings up a great point here.
Does anyone still believe these tires are designed with the field in mind or with one man in mind?
Remember those tires Lorenzo got for the January Sepang test that have never been seen since? I don't believe for one second Lorenzo has lost his confidence. While never winning at the Sachsenring, he has historically done very well at this circuit as I mentioned a few pages back. He's never finished worse than P4 in all finished races. Suddenly he can't find any speed, nor can he keep the bike up in several FP sessions and consecutive qualifying sessions?
While MM is leading the title chase, the season is far from done. MM is the proverbial monkey wrench thrown into the works as I don't think they were expecting him to somehow ride through a biased tire better than anyone else.
Michelin is back to their old trick of designing what amounts to a fraudulent tire that takes into account the personal preferences and biases of one rider alone...and said tire developed initially with the ever important feedback of of that one rider's long time teammate who would was the best teammate VR ever had.
I believe every bit of it. Lorenzo destroyed everyone pre season. Best chance Rossi has got. Yam and Dorna giving him everything he wants. It stinksJumkie brings up a great point here.
Does anyone still believe these tires are designed with the field in mind or with one man in mind?
Remember those tires Lorenzo got for the January Sepang test that have never been seen since? I don't believe for one second Lorenzo has lost his confidence. While never winning at the Sachsenring, he has historically done very well at this circuit as I mentioned a few pages back. He's never finished worse than P4 in all finished races. Suddenly he can't find any speed, nor can he keep the bike up in several FP sessions and consecutive qualifying sessions?
While MM is leading the title chase, the season is far from done. MM is the proverbial monkey wrench thrown into the works as I don't think they were expecting him to somehow ride through a biased tire better than anyone else.
Michelin is back to their old trick of designing what amounts to a fraudulent tire that takes into account the personal preferences and biases of one rider alone...and said tire developed initially with the ever important feedback of of that one rider's long time teammate who would was the best teammate VR ever had.
Any one who tows is a ..... The best riders don't needs them.
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Why not go the whole hog and say Honda and Ducati are in on the conspiracy too, yeah front end washout in Austin and crashed from the lead in Assen, the tyres are absolutely tailored to fit , sure ! and I get called out for talking ....??? LOL
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Jumkie brings up a great point here.
Does anyone still believe these tires are designed with the field in mind or with one man in mind?
Remember those tires Lorenzo got for the January Sepang test that have never been seen since? I don't believe for one second Lorenzo has lost his confidence. While never winning at the Sachsenring, he has historically done very well at this circuit as I mentioned a few pages back. He's never finished worse than P4 in all finished races. Suddenly he can't find any speed, nor can he keep the bike up in several FP sessions and consecutive qualifying sessions?
While MM is leading the title chase, the season is far from done. MM is the proverbial monkey wrench thrown into the works as I don't think they were expecting him to somehow ride through a biased tire better than anyone else.
Michelin is back to their old trick of designing what amounts to a fraudulent tire that takes into account the personal preferences and biases of one rider alone...and said tire developed initially with the ever important feedback of of that one rider's long time teammate who would was the best teammate VR ever had.
One of your worst thought out conspiracies ever. Even the man you're attempting to support doesn't agree with you. Sometimes you just have to accept a rider made mistakes, it's not some wild conspiracy going on behind the scenes.
Jorge Lorenzo faces a test of character in Sunday's German MotoGP after falling twice during qualifying, leaving him eleventh on the grid.
The Movistar Yamaha rider began the event with a fast Turn 11 tumble on a chilly Friday morning, then continued to struggle on his way to 16th in the afternoon.
A gain of just one place in Saturday's FP3 forced Lorenzo into the unfamiliar Qualifying 1 session, where he was again sent bouncing through the gravel, at Turn 8.
Fortunately he had already set a lap good enough to reach the Q2 pole position shootout - where he promptly fell for a third time, at Turn 1, again losing the front. To put that into perspective, Lorenzo hadn't fallen more than three times in an entire season since 2012, but has already chalked-up eight accidents in 2016.
However speaking in the paddock on Saturday evening, Lorenzo insisted he understood why each of his falls had occurred and was buoyed by his speed. Lorenzo's fastest (complete) lap in Q1 would have been good enough for fifth on the grid if he had repeated it in Q2 and he was on target for a better time.
“I have the same tyres as everyone and I crashed more, so for sure I did something wrong,” Lorenzo began. “Yesterday I pushed too much in this corner for the cold conditions. The first crash today was because I took too much kerb on the entry to the corner and with the Michelin it was not possible. The second crash, maybe I didn't warm up the right side of the tyre enough and I just lost the front.
“So three mistakes on my part. It is not normal that I make so many mistakes. But this weekend it's happened. I'm disappointed about the crashes and disappointed about the position. But finally I could see some big improvement on the bike.
“Every practice we improved the bike and finally in Qualifying 1 I was very competitive with new tyre. The lap I crashed I was improving by a few tenths, a '21.5-'21.4. Then we made another modification for Qualifying 2, but we didn't have enough new tyres.
“We exited with an old tyre and I was impressed with the lap time, a '22.0, so I expected a '21.4-'21.5 with the new tyre. With that time I could have been on the first or second row. But unfortunately I couldn't finish the lap and it's a bad grid position, but it's where I finished.”
Lorenzo has won 64 times in grand prix, but never at the tight and twisty Sachsenring.
“The slow corners, maybe,” he suggested. “Normally I'm a bit better on right corners than the left. I have more victories with right-side tracks. So that could be a reason. But you know I finished second here for four years and I think we made a mistake this weekend about the setting.
“We tried a different kind of setting and then finally we came back to a normal, standard setting from this year and improved so much. So we made a mistake and lost the way a little bit. This together with the cold conditions yesterday and being very far from the top complicated everything.
“But the race is tomorrow and I'm happy that we understood why we were so slow yesterday. I've crashed many times - once yesterday and twice today - but I prefer to crash two or three times and be more or less competitive, than not crash and not be competitive.”
Lorenzo may also have to contend with a wet race, should forecasts of Sunday afternoon rain prove correct. That would be another challenge, having struggled to tenth last time at Assen.
“We have to see how I feel. Don't enter the track with a negative mentality, go positively and try to feel good on the bike,” he said of his approach to a wet race.
Lorenzo starts the final event before the summer break 24-points behind Marc Marquez and 18 in front of his team-mate Valentino Rossi, who will start first and third respectively.
Read more at MotoGP News - MotoGP Germany: Lorenzo defiant despite qualifying disaster
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Not liking a thing has no bearing on extant reality. Bautista had his time on first rate machinery and he spent most of his time between 10th and 15th place when he wasn't torpedoing other riders. Mind you, I was a big fan of Bautista when he rode in the 250 class and was rooting for him when he came up to MotoGp, but he just didn't have the chops to do well in the premiere class. So the bike he's riding is the bike he put himself on. Can't really feel sorry for him.
Hector Barbera on the other hand, is the rider you're referring to, and he's always been a loser. He's done nothing to earn a better bike.
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He is hardly going to say he was clueless to why he crashed was he.
Lorenzos q1 time was only a tenth of Rossi and barbera . makes me laugh everyone jumps on the band wagon to say his heads gone. If it was Rossi Everyone would be saying " could of, should of, would of."
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No, he's not going to say he is clueless as to why he crashed because he is NOT clueless as to why he crashed. He owned up to the mistakes he made and made the necessary adjustments.
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Tows are a normal thing in racing. I race cars at a club level, we do it for qualifying, because guess what, it improves your time, if anything from the difference in straight line speed. We also do it in races to set up for passes. Barberas job is to put his bike in the best spot possible. It's not illegal to tow, so tow away. I can assure you he doesn't give a single s**t what anyone here thinks.
It's not jousting, there is not a holy honor code to follow that says that drafting is illegal.
He qualified second, not second with an asterisk, or second (with a tow) next to his number. Just plain second, on a 2 year old bike, that used to suck at this track. He is no MM, or VR, but he is far from the worst rider on the grid.
It's not jousting, there is not a holy honor code to follow that says that drafting is illegal.
He qualified second, not second with an asterisk, or second (with a tow) next to his number. Just plain second, on a 2 year old bike, that used to suck at this track. He is no MM, or VR, but he is far from the worst rider on the grid.
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Vudu...you are clueless about tires.
If you think every race tire handed out at a race weekend is identical, you are in for a huge surprise.
They vary from batch to batch, and even in the same batch. Things that you assume would be the same such as diameter can also vary. Making race tires is an imperfect process for all manufacturers...some have a lower failure rate than others...but with that said, just because everyone is running a medium tire, doesn't mean the characteristics are identical in every medium tire...likewise with the rest of the combinations.
If you think every race tire handed out at a race weekend is identical, you are in for a huge surprise.
They vary from batch to batch, and even in the same batch. Things that you assume would be the same such as diameter can also vary. Making race tires is an imperfect process for all manufacturers...some have a lower failure rate than others...but with that said, just because everyone is running a medium tire, doesn't mean the characteristics are identical in every medium tire...likewise with the rest of the combinations.
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