German MotoGP Race Thread: Spoilers!

[Talpa]

Exactly and good luck to all those that have been wanting to throw it back and have harboured the need for so long, after all the '80 second fix' and 'not pushing' comments have been used in the reverse directions a few times as well.

spot on, bunch of old women we are..........

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Maybe Stoner should apologise to the poor guy who had to rake the gravel pit after the event. I bet Stoner wasn't thinking of that poor ....... whilst he was racing for a MotoGP victory. Evil prick.

 

[Talpa]

you have run an entire line of argument in which you have tried to represent stoner's off , which was not an ill judged passing manoeuvre and which did not take out a championship contender other than himself and was highly unlikely to take out dani in any eventuality whatever his status, as something where stoner in some web of invention should have apologised to dani giving dani the chance of a rejoinder similar to the one stoner made last year, rightly or wrongly; classic straw man logical fallacy, and moreover tying in with birdman's clutching at straws.



As I said, if you wish to argue that stoner should tell himself that his ambition outweighed his talent you might have an argument, although I am not sure it would be good advice to suggest he start talking to himself. He neither intended nor carried out any action to give dani cause for complaint, hence no need for any apology to dani, and no ironic rebounding of his own comment. If he does take somebody out through an egregious error, which he hasn't done since 2006 ( in fact committing no riding error, egregious or otherwise which has had adverse consequences for another rider in that time), then he may be hoist on his own petard and have cause for ironic reflection.

Actually the racing was very close, for most of the race. Stoner happened to be a little farther back when he crashed, but there were many near touches during that battle.....great to watch BTW. My point was moreso that his ambition outweighed his talent, trying to run in too hot to have a shot at turn 12-which wouldn't have happened anyway. You are quite sore on this one, but its ok, new week different race-settle now



My main argument was his attitude towards the Marshal's and the relevant Karma and hilarity of the Ambition Comment, something for which Gaz has provided a great POV on.

 

[Gaz]

Yes of course, Mr Bautista's effort at Assen was off the scale in this regard, I guess we just didn't see Jorge march into the Pit and tell him so. Alvaro did pay a heavy price, and so he should have, amazing how quickly he was catching the duc's at the end though.

Interestingly enough there was chatter of a 'confrontation' at the marshalling point thiough and some pictures that do show an obviously and fairly agitated Lorenzo making a point to Bautista.



Mind you, didn't crutchlow speak for them all?

 

[Arrabbiata1]

While im ranting, anybody still want to debate me on the RCV vs M1? HRC riders can complain all day about chatter and front tire woes with experts in chorus bla bla, but the results and performance on track just dont jive. That high-speed pass by Stoner on Pedro should punctuate this debate. No damn way Casey executes that pass if that front tire is .... or that "chatter" is holding HRC back. But i expect the debate to be renewed when JLo beats Casey (if he does).

Yes - I will. Tyre woes and chatter simply weren't in the equation this weekend. As has been ventured in previous posts given that they had no option other than the harder rubber - in view of the lack of the associated problems which has previously emerged from such a tyre choice suggests that HRC have probably found a solution. Traditionally Sachsenring has tended to be regarded as a Yamaha track but it's also for a multitude of reasons Dani's strongest. I think we saw what happens when the Honda handicap is removed and both riders are 100% on their game. Also Cal and Jorge are not fully fit. Regarding the machinery - all things being equal....they probably are exactly that this season between Honda and Yamaha, as they are between the top three riders, which is why as Barry said it may well go to the wire.



As I have said before discussing the relative merits of either the Honda or the Yamaha is very difficult due to the multifarious variables which prevail at any given race weekend.



As a very general statement - with the chatter eliminated the Honda may well have the edge but with such differences negligible at best, comparatively in my opionion, the play off between Honda and Yamaha remains in constant flux.

 

[J4rn0]

Stoner attempted to beat Pedro on his favorite track, on one of those days in which Pedro can hardly be touched. Something difficult to do for anybody. Had he pulled that pass off now we would all be here chanting his praises. Things can go wrong, but he tried and didn't settle for second place, kudos on that. Dismiss such a rider at your peril.... He will be there for the rest of the season trying to win every race.

 

[michaelm]

Dismiss such a rider at your peril....

Same as that other bloke concerning whom this was originally said, if he is on an adequately resourced honda or yamaha next year.

 

[rossiofsky]

Pedrosa surprised me again. He not only could keep up with Stoner but he also looked good leading him. His happiness showed how much that meant to him.

I can't believe Stoner throw away 20 points and the championship lead, even though he had a few shaky moments but still i expected him to win it. I think that had a lot to do with trying to beat his teammate, i doubt it that he would have taken the same approach if he was following Lorenzo. That's a bit like the pressure that Lorenzo and Rossi put on eachother.



I don't know what to think of Spies's performance in 2012, he got beaten by sat yams again.

I,m disappointed by Crutchlow's missing opportunities, he is making it too easy for Dovi.

Rossi was a bit lucky to finish on 6th place or i should say Hayden was unlucky to finish 10th after his promising first part.

 

[PASSI]

Casey's ambition outweighted his talent.

 

[BarryMachine]

Casey's ambition outweighted his talent.

But he's still the most talented rider ever by a long shot. So gee he must be ambitious!!



Rossi's move was described by all as a ....... move, Stoner a mere mistake. So I guess it hasn't impinged on his talent.



So are you saying that he is also the most ambitious rider ever!!?? sounds a bit silly to me when you consider he's hangng up the boots when this year ends

I think you are just having a bopper sook at Casey again .......... very childish.

 

[MigsAngel]

I don't know what to think of Spies's performance in 2012, he got beaten by sat yams again.

It almost looked like Spies had given up once he got passed by Lorenzo. I honestly feel that since Ben hasn't gone out and dominated like he did in WSBK and AMA, that he might be just given up.....he has been brought back down to earth by GPs in 2012, and he cant cope with being human.......

I,m disappointed by Crutchlow's missing opportunities, he is making it too easy for Dovi.

He got too anxious and made a mistake....all down to him, no one else to blame (not the bike, not the crew, not the mouse in his leathers, not his tyres)..... Honey Badger will be back in Italy.....

Rossi was a bit lucky to finish on 6th place or i should say Hayden was unlucky to finish 10th after his promising first part.

Lucky maybe, but if you watched Rossi was just stalking and saving his tyres for the end of the race....once the other ducati muppets started to lose grip he simply put a move on them and got passed, Rossi just couldnt do it to Bradl.....you say lucky, i say cunning....

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

But he's still the most talented rider ever. Rossi's move was described by all as a ....... move, Stoner a mere mistake. So I guess it hasn't impinged on his talent.



So are you saying that he is also the most ambitious rider ever!!?? sounds a but silly to me when you consider he's hangng up the boots when this year ends

I agree how can someone with no ambition have a talent level lower? You and your post on the other hand are the exact definition of ambition over talent.

 

[BarryMachine]

I agree how can someone with no ambition have a talent level lower? You and your post on the other hand are the exact definition of ambition over talent.

I agree, obviously Passi was wrong. Thank you for your input Mdub.

 

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But he's still the most talented rider ever by a long shot. So gee he must be ambitious!!



Rossi's move was described by all as a ....... move, Stoner a mere mistake. So I guess it hasn't impinged on his talent.



So are you saying that he is also the most ambitious rider ever!!?? sounds a bit silly to me when you consider he's hangng up the boots when this year ends

I think you are just having a bopper sook at Casey again .......... very childish.

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[320IDave]

Lol Stoner doesn't settle for seconds....



In all honesty i think he made a big mistake but hey, who am i to judge?



I do find his post race comments pretty amusing, why are people around here bothered about him complaining about the sec-cheifs? If they didn't let him try they didn't, it's not the first time we hear a rider complain so but it is the first time i hear people complain about it.

 

[chopperman]

Lol Stoner doesn't settle for seconds....



In all honesty i think he made a big mistake but hey, who am i to judge?



I do find his post race comments pretty amusing, why are people around here bothered about him complaining about the sec-cheifs? If they didn't let him try they didn't, it's not the first time we hear a rider complain so but it is the first time i hear people complain about it.

Stoner continues to bite the hand that feeds him. Traits of a spoiled ....... !

 

[chopperman]

Caption time.

i will start.



barrymachine did WHAT to my farm animals?

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[J4rn0]

Lol Stoner doesn't settle for seconds....



In all honesty i think he made a big mistake but hey, who am i to judge?



I do find his post race comments pretty amusing, why are people around here bothered about him complaining about the sec-cheifs? If they didn't let him try they didn't, it's not the first time we hear a rider complain so but it is the first time i hear people complain about it.

Casey's mistake was forced by Pedro, who was super fast in his last lap. Stoner must have prepared his move beforehand, but it went wrong because Pedro increased his speed and so he crashed trying to shorten the gap for the pass on a target that was now too fast. There was no more margin.



Pernat today said that if Stoner had had a more sensible attitude in his career, he would now have a string of titles a la Valentino.

But would it still be Stoner then? That uncompromising attitude is what gives him his speed, probably.

 

[cliche guevara]

Casey's mistake was forced by Pedro, who was super fast in his last lap. Stoner must have prepared his move beforehand, but it went wrong because Pedro increased his speed and so he crashed trying to shorten the gap for the pass on a target that was now too fast. There was no more margin.



Pernat today said that if Stoner had had a more sensible attitude in his career, he would now have a string of titles a la Valentino.

But would it still be Stoner then? That uncompromising attitude is what gives him his speed, probably.

100% agreed

thats what i argued about pedrosas win : he was able to outsmart stoner,knowing where he would strike and how he could make it impossible for him to overtake.i'm not convinced pedrosa was over all the faster guy,they looked fairly equal.but theres no doubt who rode the smarter race to beat the oponent,not just the clock

not so sure about the pernat quote though, i think if his attitude had been more sensible in 08-10 he would have hardly ever won a race IMO.

 

[mh_kingcobra]

Watched the race with 24 hours delay as usual.



1) Loved Jumkies comment about Pedrosa

, You just got one hell of a huge fix out of that "Hate Pedrosa Drug" of yours.



2) At last, Pedrosa finds the bikes behavior and rides it brilliantly. Say all you want about my Pedrosa and Honda theory but the guys at Japan really love him. He rode well and for the first time this season was not a ....., Somehow Germany is the midgets territory.



3) About Stoner's fall, It pissed me of just like last weak when Jorge got a DNF. But that little thing happening there showed the difference between a Title rider and a Team rider. being 2nd is not an option for a title rider like Jorge and Casey. If Dani was seconf in that lap with those situation he would let Casey go and settle for a 20 point podium.



4) Beside Sachsenring being Dani's circuit for 3 years I think Pedrosa was more smarter than in Assen, Casey was on his ... till the last lap but that fast lap from Pedrosa showed he learned some energy saving from the previous race.



5) Jorge was the same solid guy that I'm starting to like because he is not having the cocky attitudes he had in previous seasons. He just came back to the game with Casey's DNF



6) Bad stuff happening to Cal but he is so close to a podium. Wish him a great next race.



I don't like Top Riders getting a DNF but the season is turning out to be a great one for wrong reasons.



Waiting for a crazy Mugello next weakend.