German MotoGP Race Thread: Spoilers!

[chopperman]

Crashing is definitely a skill. Or at least crashing and not getting hurt is a skill. You watch the great riders. When they crash they rarely get hurt because there reflexes and ability to think in that millisecond allows them to minimise damage. Just watch Stoners crash. As soon as he goes down look at him pull his hand out of danger and then get flat so as to slide properly. What about Rossi? In all the years of racing and all the falls he has had, 1 bad injury. That is not luck. That is skill in my opinion.

Lorenzo thinking "yes this has to be the best way to land. I've practised this over and over so now for the real thing"

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They don't get hurt as much because of the safety gear, nothing to do with skill.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Splits for last lap:

T1 / T2 / T3

Stoner 18.439 / 23.618 / 19.157 = 61.214

Pedrosa 18.288 / 23.662 / 19.265 = 61.215



Stoner fastest through first 3 splits.



But look at T1 where Stoner loses 0.151 as a result of the big moment he suffered which he then makes up by going 0.152 faster through T2 & T3.



So, it is FACT that Stoner was the faster rider on the last lap which has not been reflected here by any poster. Pedrosa rode a great race but at no stage did he drop Stoner and at no stage was he faster than Stoner and able to pull away. In fact if he had not had to try to set up a pass on Pedrosa whilst riding faster than Pedrosa's race lap record he would himself set a fast lap record than Pedrosa was able to without have to try to set up for a pass.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Lorenzo thinking "yes this has to be the best way to land. I've practised this over and over so now for the real thing"

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They don't get hurt as much because of the safety gear, nothing to do with skill.

So pathetic. Take it to the extreme so you can make a point that can only be made with a selection of an extreme event. Do you feel intelligent? If I needed to prove myself to you then I would post up hundreds of photos of riders getting onto their backs and controlling their slide to prevent injury. But as your approval means ZERO to me then I won't.



I would also like to see you stand in front of any racer and tell them that they couldn't possible get better at controlling them selves during a crash. The photo of them laughing at you would be a good one to use as my AVI.

 

[Gaz]

Splits for last lap:

T1 / T2 / T3

Stoner 18.439 / 23.618 / 19.157 = 61.214

Pedrosa 18.288 / 23.662 / 19.265 = 61.215



Stoner fastest through first 3 splits.



But look at T1 where Stoner loses 0.151 as a result of the big moment he suffered which he then makes up by going 0.152 faster through T2 & T3.



So, it is FACT that Stoner was the faster rider on the last lap which has not been reflected here by any poster. Pedrosa rode a great race but at no stage did he drop Stoner and at no stage was he faster than Stoner and able to pull away. In fact if he had not had to try to set up a pass on Pedrosa whilst riding faster than Pedrosa's race lap record he would himself set a fast lap record than Pedrosa was able to without have to try to set up for a pass.

Sorry Mental, but it may look as though Stoner was faster, but as the saying goes, 'to finish first, first one must finish' and when you look at that particular lap it shows a 'did not complete' by Stoner, thus Pedrosa was faster.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Sorry Mental, but it may look as though Stoner was faster, but as the saying goes, 'to finish first, first one must finish' and when you look at that particular lap it shows a 'did not complete' by Stoner, thus Pedrosa was faster.

Respectful Gaz I disagree. Through out the thread people have been saying Pedrosa was the faster rider. They haven't been saying Pedrosa finished and Stoner didn't or that Pedrosa was first across the line. They were saying that Pedrosa was faster. The FACTS clearly state that during the last lap Stoner was the faster rider up until the point he crashed. The FACT that he crashed does not change this FACT. The FACT is that through T1,2&3 combined Stoner was the fastest rider.



If this is not valid why does Dorna put up at the end of each session who was fastest through each split? Surely they should only put up who is fastest for the whole lap.

 

[basspete]

Respectful Gaz I disagree. Through out the thread people have been saying Pedrosa was the faster rider. They haven't been saying Pedrosa finished and Stoner didn't or that Pedrosa was first across the line. They were saying that Pedrosa was faster. The FACTS clearly state that during the last lap Stoner was the faster rider up until the point he crashed. The FACT that he crashed does not change this FACT. The FACT is that through T1,2&3 combined Stoner was the fastest rider.



If this is not valid why does Dorna put up at the end of each session who was fastest through each split? Surely they should only put up who is fastest for the whole lap.

And by going faster than Dani he overcooked it, his ambition outwieghed his talent, his teeth outwieghed his traction, he binned it, he landed on his arse, he over rode the traction of his tyres etc etc. He was pushing too hard to catch (not pass) his team mate and crashed.



Basically he ...... up.

 

[Gaz]

And Mental, conversely it was Pedrosa who set the fastest lap of the race ............. ergo he was faster (in a single lap component) and was in front at teh point oft he Stoner crash and by that virtue had been faster to that point.



Would have, could have and statistics mean nothing for a race when one does not finish, the only statistic that has meaning would be fastest lap.







But disagreeing is what the net is about so feel free ......................... and I have no issue with it.

 

[michaelm]

Splits for last lap:

T1 / T2 / T3

Stoner 18.439 / 23.618 / 19.157 = 61.214

Pedrosa 18.288 / 23.662 / 19.265 = 61.215



Stoner fastest through first 3 splits.



But look at T1 where Stoner loses 0.151 as a result of the big moment he suffered which he then makes up by going 0.152 faster through T2 & T3.



So, it is FACT that Stoner was the faster rider on the last lap which has not been reflected here by any poster. Pedrosa rode a great race but at no stage did he drop Stoner and at no stage was he faster than Stoner and able to pull away. In fact if he had not had to try to set up a pass on Pedrosa whilst riding faster than Pedrosa's race lap record he would himself set a fast lap record than Pedrosa was able to without have to try to set up for a pass.

Have to go with my usual opponents, being faster doesn't count if it is too fast for the bike to stay upright, I am not sufficiently hypocritical to call one thing on the jerez 2011 incident and another on this one. The only possible mitigating factor were the contemporaneous rain drops, which stoner himself hasn't mentioned. I think dani won tactically/strategically as well as riding-wise; if stoner had potential in reserve as he seems to think then he underestimated dani and should have deployed it earlier.

 

[chopperman]

So pathetic. Take it to the extreme so you can make a point that can only be made with a selection of an extreme event. Do you feel intelligent? If I needed to prove myself to you then I would post up hundreds of photos of riders getting onto their backs and controlling their slide to prevent injury. But as your approval means ZERO to me then I won't.



I would also like to see you stand in front of any racer and tell them that they couldn't possible get better at controlling them selves during a crash. The photo of them laughing at you would be a good one to use as my AVI.

You really don't like being proved wrong , do you !

 

[#22]

How do some of you find so much time to argue about ........ and write such lengthy posts on it? Can I have your job please?



Stoner crashed because he was pushing too hard to pass Dani. Its a mistake, it happened and will happen again. These riders arent robots.



The end.

 

[thedeal]

How do some of you find so much time to argue about ........ and write such lengthy posts on it? Can I have your job please?



Stoner crashed because he was pushing too hard to pass Dani. Its a mistake, it happened and will happen again. These riders arent robots.



The end.

A man with a brain.

 

[chopperman]

How do some of you find so much time to argue about ........ and write such lengthy posts on it? Can I have your job please?



Stoner crashed because he was pushing too hard to pass Dani. Its a mistake, it happened and will happen again. These riders arent robots.



The end.

Pedrosa aka asimo is !

 

[chopperman]

A man with a brain.

Impossible . He is welsh ! lol

 

[thedeal]

Impossible . He is welsh ! lol

That only means he's short and fornicates with sheep.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Some of you are really getting it wrong.



Let me break it down.



Rossi is awesome because when he has the right machine under him (M1, RC211V or a Duck in the water) and he sees a chance to make a pass when the race is on the line in almost impossible conditions he goes for it. He has balls. Sometimes it worked out (Catalunya 09), sometimes he ...... it up (Gibbers), sometimes he ...... it up and it still worked out (Laguna Corkscrew), but with the race on the line, his blood ran hot and he just went for it.



Casey did the exact same thing this weekend. It didn't work out, but the guy went for it and I respect that. He wanted to win. He wasn't thinking about the Championship, the points, or his wife's sweet .... He was thinking about the win. That's cool with me.





Sometimes I feel like I'm reading Gulliver's Travels on here...

I agree with this. Which is why I didnt give CS much .... after this move. It was a simple win it or bin it .... up. And I applaud those types of moves especially when done in a way that is safe to the other riders. But his comments about the corner marshall were unnecessary.



Funny you mention Gulliver's Travels, look out for the 3rd annual powerslide awards for a for a very powerslide version called........ahh nevermind no spoilers.

 

[chopperman]

That only means he's short and fornicates with sheep.

And has brain damage, a flat nose and cauliflower ears from all the school boy rugby.

 

[chopperman]

I agree with this. Which is why I didnt give CS much .... after this move. It was a simple win it or bin it .... up. And I applaud those types of moves especially when done in a way that is safe to the other riders. But his comments about the corner marshall were unnecessary.



Funny you mention Gulliver's Travels, look out for the 3rd annual powerslide awards for a for a very powerslide version called........ahh nevermind no spoilers.

Don't forget to include the arrogant pricks who not only spoiled others races but then had the ....... self-serving arrogance to try and justify it rather than admit wrong doing.

 

[thedeal]

And has brain damage, a flat nose and cauliflower ears from all the school boy rugby.

But he may be a good singer

 

[basspete]

Splits for last lap:

T1 / T2 / T3

Stoner 18.439 / 23.618 / 19.157 = 61.214

Pedrosa 18.288 / 23.662 / 19.265 = 61.215



Stoner fastest through first 3 splits.



But look at T1 where Stoner loses 0.151 as a result of the big moment he suffered which he then makes up by going 0.152 faster through T2 & T3.



So, it is FACT that Stoner was the faster rider on the last lap which has not been reflected here by any poster. Pedrosa rode a great race but at no stage did he drop Stoner and at no stage was he faster than Stoner and able to pull away. In fact if he had not had to try to set up a pass on Pedrosa whilst riding faster than Pedrosa's race lap record he would himself set a fast lap record than Pedrosa was able to without have to try to set up for a pass.

By this reckoning, Bautista should have won at Assen, he was easlily the fastest person at turn one, til that ...... Lorenzo got in his way.



Bloody marshalls, ruin it for everybody.

 

[320IDave]

Casey's mistake was forced by Pedro, who was super fast in his last lap. Stoner must have prepared his move beforehand, but it went wrong because Pedro increased his speed and so he crashed trying to shorten the gap for the pass on a target that was now too fast. There was no more margin.



Pernat today said that if Stoner had had a more sensible attitude in his career, he would now have a string of titles a la Valentino.

But would it still be Stoner then? That uncompromising attitude is what gives him his speed, probably.

Me thinks you are wrong, if Casey hadn't messed up we would all be saying how week pedro is....maybe only 5 or 6 from this double standars land would of given props to Stoner.



Stoner messed up in turn 1 and had to make up for it until he cought Pedro, in Stoners own words he allready had pedro at range when he crashed, he just made a silly mistake 3 turns from the end and 2 turns from his objective. If anyone saved energy well enough that was Stoner, Pedro had a slower pace than him energy savings or not.... If you decide not to believe Stoners words then there is nothing else i can really say about this.