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Jumkie

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So I'm right!   Again.

levigarrett

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^^^^^^^^^holy ...., my eyes are bleeding!  I'm going to need glasses if you keep this up.  I love it though dude, you're dedicated.

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Sorry for the caps and the bold.  That was not aimed at you, but rather my buddies with seeing problems (in addition to their thinking and reading problems).  I digress...


 


Anyway, I'm not really that dedicated brother.  I just read what is written and try and remember it.  I also read what is unwritten and try to make sense of it.   The analysis of what is divulged and omitted is simply tested against the tendencies of how the world operates; which is rather predictable. I think I arrive at reasonable conclusions. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.  Now let me get back to reading every hit listed when I typed in the keywords  "motorcycle racing" on the Internet.

you need to write a book chief, get it all out of your system, then you can go back to 8 or 9 word posts

Yet more hundreds of word dribble post from the Tin Hat Wearing Dead Horse Spanking MotoGP Hater ....and the post just comes back to one Phrase 'It is all a Conspiracy'.....and only he can see it is a conspiracy....


and that journalists, such as Krop, that are in the paddock and have actual contacts with real life decision makers and riders in the MotoGP paddock...are actually all wrong and dont see the real story of the 'conspiracy'.....Right!


Really, and some of you actually buy the conspiracy theorist BS?


 


Anyway, It seems the lack of news on the final new Rule for Factory 2.....is on hold while further discussion are going on about possibly allowing any Factory team to switch to Factory 2 at any point in the season....


This would make things fairer and bring MotoGP closer to everyone using the controlled ECU sooner rather than later....


If this happen then i'd expect to see Yamaha make the switch in mid season June / July time....with Tech 3 swapping even sooner than that.....


 


We shall see....

MigsAngel

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Yet more hundreds of word dribble post from the Tin Hat Wearing Dead Horse Spanking MotoGP Hater ....and the post just comes back to one Phrase 'It is all a Conspiracy'.....and only he can see it is a conspiracy....


and that journalists, such as Krop, that are in the paddock and have actual contacts with real life decision makers and riders in the MotoGP paddock...are actually all wrong and dont see the real story of the 'conspiracy'.....Right!


Really, and some of you actually buy the conspiracy theorist BS?


 


Anyway, It seems the lack of news on the final new Rule for Factory 2.....is on hold while further discussion are going on about possibly allowing any Factory team to switch to Factory 2 at any point in the season....


This would make things fairer and bring MotoGP closer to everyone using the controlled ECU sooner rather than later....


If this happen then i'd expect to see Yamaha make the switch in mid season June / July time....with Tech 3 swapping even sooner than that.....


 


We shall see....

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I can't wait until this happens, just to hear Honda complain about the "spirit of the rules" one more time.

MigsAngel

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MigsAngel, on 14 Mar 2014 - 02:24, said:

Yet more hundreds of word dribble post from the Tin Hat Wearing Dead Horse Spanking MotoGP Hater ....and the post just comes back to one Phrase 'It is all a Conspiracy'.....and only he can see it is a conspiracy....

and that journalists, such as Krop, that are in the paddock and have actual contacts with real life decision makers and riders in the MotoGP paddock...are actually all wrong and dont see the real story of the 'conspiracy'.....Right!

Really, and some of you actually buy the conspiracy theorist BS?

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I feel I should send you a dollar, as you provide cheap laughs. Thanks Migs, I think we found your calling. You're not exactly a comedian, like the deal; but you got me laughing at you too. Once again you confuse two different concepts: conspiracy vs speculation. There is no secret conspiracy when the principals are changing the rules out in the open you genius. The speculations as to why Dorna are changing the rules is as up for debate among the bloggers, journalists, riders paddock personnel as it is for the spectators. I realize you read perhaps the first three sentences of everything you attempt, but even Kropo is speculating and analyzing as the story unfolds. Read the reaction on several sites and you'll see people calling this debacle a "farce". The fan reaction has been so blaring that its prompted several journalist including Kropo to write intransigent pieces, some of which smacked of 'damage control'. Kropo is certainly well informed and does a superb job of passing on the information he is given, but when he writes an opinion piece using the details which are public, you as a reader are free to make your own conclusion as well. Not just about the topic but also about the spin or lack there of about the author. Given your recent admission of sheepish modus operandi to (an let me quote you) "just accept it", I can see why you are unwilling (and I suspect incapable) of formulating your own opinion other than the one that is fed to you by your perceived "authority figures".


MigsAngel

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MigsAngel, on 14 Mar 2014 - 02:24, said:

Anyway, It seems the lack of news on the final new Rule for Factory 2.....is on hold while further discussion are going on about possibly allowing any Factory team to switch to Factory 2 <span style="font-size:14px;at any point in the season....
This would make things fairer and bring MotoGP closer to everyone using the controlled ECU sooner rather than later....

If this happen then i'd expect to see Yamaha make the switch in mid season June / July time....with Tech 3 swapping even sooner than that.....


We shall see....

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Ah yes, allowing teams to change the parameters in which they are competing while the season is in progress would be further authentication of the competition. (sarcasm). You'd accept anything without question though wouldn't you? Wait, did you admit GP needs to become more "fair"? Well, it looks like we are making progress. Baby steps.

just briefly, Jum: I don't feel a need to side with anyone here. I don't see me falling for or feel an urge to hand over my thinking and combining to Krop. who, btw, is showing some rather affirmative tendencies over the recent months, I noticed that, but still offers better insights than any other journo I follow / happen to read articles from. Finally, I am disgusted by the structure of Dorna's decision making. However, in the case of 'Factory 2', or whatever comes out of it, the actual content of the decision doesn't bother me that much. this time, not generally. we clear?

The sport is going through a transition and Dorna is trying to keep everyone happy, the grid is full, Suzuki is trying, and Ducati are finally looking to be off life support. Last season was good, and this season will most likely also be good. Dorna had a goal and it looks to be working.

hawkdriver

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The sport is going through a transition and Dorna is trying to keep everyone happy, the grid is full, Suzuki is trying, and Ducati are finally looking to be off life support. Last season was good, and this season will most likely also be good. Dorna had a goal and it looks to be working.

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Ah yes, its "transitioned" from a fairly stable, generally authentic, and basically uniformly regulated competition to one constantly in capricious flux driven by the need to advance mutually beneficial luminaries, achieved through an increasingly sophisticated and deliberate contrived spectacle.


 


<u>Newspeak:</u>  to be implemented effective immediately


 


[] 'Moving the goalposts' (arbitrarily altering existing regulations to influence outcomes artificially) is to be replaced with "transition".


[] 'Performance leveling penalties' which sanction podium appearance as related to the proposed "Factory 2" category is to be replaced with "promotion"  achieved by success.  

Jumkie

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Ah yes, its "transitioned" from a fairly stable, generally authentic, and basically uniformly regulated competition to one constantly in capricious flux driven by the need to advance mutually beneficial luminaries, achieved through an increasingly sophisticated and deliberate contrived spectacle.


 


<u>Newspeak:</u>  to be implemented effective immediately


 


[] 'Moving the goalposts' (arbitrarily altering existing regulations to influence outcomes artificially) is to be replaced with "transition".


[] 'Performance leveling penalties' which sanction podium appearance as related to the proposed "Factory 2" category is to be replaced with "promotion"  achieved by success.  

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Jum you could have said the same for the entire Rossi era according to some of you, never mind that he did for motogp what Jordan did for basketball. People were tuning in and enjoying the talent and competition, that's what fills the stands, same goes for all sports. CS could have had it the same way if he wasn't always so negative about everything. Bring on the next champ, besides we all know you have to be on a factory bike to win the championship right, so who cares what they call all the other bikes.

Fact 1. Hayden finally moved back to a Honda, but it's the wrong Honda and he's doing worse on it than on the 2012 Ducati. <span style="font-size:14px; 


Fact 2. Jum would be reconciled with MotoGP only if Nicky wins another title, or is at least competitive.


Result of 1 + 2: No hope Jum will stop complaining, etc. Got to accept his rumblings as PS background noise.


 

You guys must be smoking some good stuff if you think Honda will supply their customer bikes to be competitive with their factory effort in HRC.

This factory 2 thing is an embarrassment. How the hell am I supposed to explain this to people who are interested but not yet fans of the sport? 3 classes in the top class....

The latest from Krop: The new rules will be ratified today, and when they are, Factory 2 will no longer be called Factory 2, but Open. This is not to be confused with the other Open class, the one running 2013 software. The Ducati Open bikes are subject to the fuel/engine restrictions if they podium, but the rest of the Open bikes are not. No word yet as to what they'll name this distinction between Open bikes (Open A, Open B, total clusterfk, etc), or if they'll call all of it open and just pretend there isn't a difference.


 


I'm hoping against hope that Aleix winds up on the podium three times this year, just to see if Dorna will change the rules in the middle of the season.


 


Read the article here:


 


http://www.motomatters.com/news/2014/03/16/factory_2_situation_to_be_resolved_on_mo.html

bluegreen

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This factory 2 thing is an embarrassment. How the hell am I supposed to explain this to people who are interested but not yet fans of the sport? 3 classes in the top class....

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Same as it ever was.. the teams with the most money win.

The season opener days away and they're still working out the details of the new rules.  Not just the rules themselves but subtle nomenclature to fool the masses.  <span style="font-size:18px;Newspeak at its finest. Controlled language to control the ignorant and brainwashed.  The running order is a farce, the only thing left is to watch the teammate battles and individual riders negotiate their own machines.  The finishing order is far from legit.


 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Decision of the Grand Prix Commission




The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta

(Dorna, Chairman), Ignacio Verneda (FIM Executive Director, Sport),

Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in an electronic

meeting held on 18 March 2014 in Qatar, unanimously approved the

following matters concerning the MotoGP class.




1. The Championship ECU and software will be mandatory for all entries with effect from 2016.


All current and prospective participants in the MotoGP class will

collaborate to assist with the design and development of the

Championship ECU software.


During the development of the software a closed user web site will be

set up to enable participants to monitor software development and to

input their suggested modifications.




2. With immediate effect, a Manufacturer with entries under the

factory option who has not achieved a win in dry conditions in the

previous year, or new Manufacturer entering the Championship, is

entitled to use 12 engines per rider per season (no design freezing), 24

litres of fuel and the same tyres allocation and testing opportunities

as the Open category. This concession is valid until the start of the

2016 season.




3. The above concessions will be reduced under the following circumstances:




Should any rider, or combination of riders nominated by the same

Manufacturer, participating under the conditions of described in clause 2

above, achieve a race win, two second places or three podium places in

dry conditions during the 2014 season then for that Manufacturer the

fuel tank capacity will be reduced to 22 litres. Furthermore, should the

same Manufacturer achieve three race wins in the 2014 season the

manufacturer would also lose the right to use the soft tyres available

to Open category entries.


In each case the reduced concessions will apply to the remaining events of the 2014 season and the whole of the 2015 season.

Glad they finally sorted it out, given the season starts in two days.

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Glad they finally sorted it out, given the season starts in two days.

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Nothing was actually sorted out except how best to present this ........ to the fans.  It seems their big solution was to just retract acknowledging a 3rd category exists by not giving it the name they had proposed.  Factory 2?  What, where?  

So the ball is in Honda's court. Will they keep to their promise and leave since they will no longer be able to play with their own software after 2015.