sewarion
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while simply 'accepting' things is more stupid than anything, you shouldn't forget two things: First, if you replace the notion of 'let's just accept this' with a more open (haha) 'let's see', you might be able to approach the whole thing a bit more relaxed. of course, the nature of how and when this whole thing was put into action was a joke - dorna seems to have a habit of announcing things in the most idiotic manner -, the actual content of the rule won't kill Ducati's open advantage down. (honestly, I see their biggest disadvantage lying in the fact that they are not allowed to run the hardest tyre). Krop outlined how this whole thing might be approached without shitting one's pants. Second, and most importantly, Jumkie: no matter how long and perfectly argumented your rants might be, outside of this forum, in the real world, they change ..... so try to relax a bit, at least until the season has started.
First of all sewarion, you've mistaken my tone; its pure entertainment for me to mock the dimwitted conclusions and perceptions of people like Migs & Pov. Their reactions provide my entertainment like watching those youtube videos of cats chasing their tails. The cat doesn't get injured while its mental capacity is callow to understand whats happening; but it sure is funny to watch. Next time you read a post of mine responding to them, cue up a youtube video by entering 'silly cat chases its tail' or something similar with a slap stick soundtrack.
Migs has several times framed the latest Dorna debacle erroneously, first by perceiving it as an issue of equality between machines rather than uniformity of regulations (big difference, but what would you expect from a person who's primary retort is to sift through many words) and second, he framed it as needing to "accept it". Which for whatever reason you have piggybacked your post above. In both cases he's inaccurately assessed the situation! You accurately assert "
simply accepting things is stupid" essentially calling Mig's admittedly personal motto
as stupid (which is plainly obvious) but then you expand on this notion as if its valid. Weird.
The purpose of discussing Dorna's latest debacle has zero to do with any hopes of affecting their opinion here, its astonishing you'd even echo Migs again on this irrelevant and misplaced assessment, as you seem infinitely more astute, very odd of you to stoop and pick up. Though fan reaction to this 11th hour proposal has garnered plenty of backlash, how and if it reverberated in Carmelo's ear has not been the subject of my posts. Have you been paying any attention to social media regarding fan's reaction when the proposal was first made public? Even the riders are expressing confusion and dismay about the proposed rules. You'd be a fool to think Carmelo hasn't noticed it, but you'd also be a fool to think he gives two ...... As he is counting on casual fans (and dumb ones like Migs and Pov) to believe the competition is unadulterated enough for them to "accept it" as authentic.
So "
Krop outlined how this whole thing might be approached"... Ah I see, we should all just fall in line with Kropo's evaluation and appraisal of the situation. That's nice. No need for independent assessment, Kropo has been nice enough to outline it all neatly for us. Except for this small matter that his latest "opinion" piece falls staggeringly short on substance.
So why the fan outrage? Mainly because of the way this was communicated. motomatters
His grand approach for us to follow is to point out that this ridiculous 3rd category farce proposed in the waning last moments of the 11th hour is NOT actually a "farce" BECAUSE: (and here is HIS "outline" to us)-- it just 'looks like a farce' because the announcement (communication) was made in "poor timing"! Oh I see, so that thing that IS really stupid... no no guys, its just that we told you about at an inopportune time. It would have been
unstupid had we told you about it with more time for us to unleash the propaganda machine of journalist and bloggers to do our bidding (which has already begun in earnest).
MigsAngel
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500+ words of more whinging and ranting.....Sewarion you are right, no matter what any of us write on here (or any other new forum) Dorna does not care...nor will they act to make us happy....
if we'd read article by Krops then we'd learn that it isnt HRC that put pressure on Dorna....it more the Open teams themselves that complained....and so Dorna created the new proposed rules...
<span style="font-size:18px;And rightly so that the Open teams would complain.....Ducati helped develop the new software, and will have a great advantage over the open teams....<span style="font-size:18px;so the Open teams had to take a stand and who else can they turn to than to Dorna for help....
I am sure however that some whingers will say is all just a spanish conspiracy.....
So easily manipulated. The only thing you've learned from Krops site is the information that he's been fed to disiminate with the added feature of his particular spin. YET even then you have missed some key facts Kropo has provided you. HRC's complaining on this specific debacle has been well documented even on Kropo's site, and the effect its had on the series presently and historically. You are a special kind of ignorant Migs, but even the site you point out has been excellent in informing you about the facts which you spectacularly failed to acquire. The Open ECU which was further developed in which you say the "open teams rightly complained", IS BECAUE THE RULES CALLED FOR THE OPEN CLASS ECU TO BE CONTINUALLY DEVELOPED, WHICH INCLUDED A CALL AND INVITATION TO ALL THREE (3) FACTORIES (Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati) TO PROVIDE INPUT! At very least get informed, this way you can use the actual facts to muck up your imbecile analysis. THE ONLY FACTORY THAT PROVIDED INPUT WAS DUCATI! The other two factories declined. THIS WAS DONE WITHIN THE RULES ALREADY IN PLACE. So there is NOTHING for anybody to complain about or as you put it "take a stand". Take a stand against what exactly? Take a stand against those who operate WITHIN the RULES already codified? The factories were NOT prohibited to help develop the Open ECU they were formally invited to help develop the Open ECU!
rezonator636
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What's funny about that is it was only the Honda-backed teams who complained. You didn't hear a peep from Forward Yamaha.
Edit: This rule was supposed to get implemented on Tuesday. Two days later, and not a peep from Dorna, and no posts about it on motogp.com. I wonder what's going on...
Well I'm sure its only a coincidence that HRC backed teams echoed the well documented moans of HRC proper...right Kropo? Interesting that DORNA HQ has gone dark. When the
"IMMINENT" proposal (Kropo's own headline) was made public, sites who allowed for fan commentary lit up almost in unanimous consensus calling this rules change a "farce". My second reaction (after the first, which was a sense of vindication in light of such a brazen act that surely exposed GP's true colors) was to wonder how quickly the damage control squad would formulate a propaganda message/massage to be disseminated by its trusted outlets. It merely took days.
