Estoril Qualifying.Thread

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 3 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pitty he moaned like a ..... about his tyres. said he may have had a bad batch

Rossi whinning again.

“But we are not at the maximum, we have some other problems. We still need more traction on the exits from the slow corners and we are also losing some time in the tight hairpin. "

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 3 2009, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With Kallio being so close to Nicky on start grid, who wants to bet me 5 bucks he will do something stupid?

He's signed so hopefully no one will have to worry about him. It's DeAngelis and Elias that have me worried.

 

[chopperman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 3 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi whinning again.

“But we are not at the maximum, we have some other problems. We still need more traction on the exits from the slow corners and we are also losing some time in the tight hairpin. "
and he went on to say " we will work harder and try to get a better setting for the race"

if your going to quote the man then quote what he said, not just parts of what he said for spin purpose

let the race and subsequent battles begin

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 4 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi whinning again.

“But we are not at the maximum, we have some other problems. We still need more traction on the exits from the slow corners and we are also losing some time in the tight hairpin. "


Oh Jum, your so easy to nail these days!!!!

VR's comments are on his own performance and set-up, CS ....... about tyres, notably something 'out of his control', couldn't be my fault I only got 3rd, it was the tyres, the majority of this thread is actually a little sickening, some CS boppers should really put their hand up to hold his .... next time it all gets too much.......

Since when do we accept this kind of behavior? And then bring out the 'Mills and Bloom' style excuses, .... that! Ever rider on that grid has extreme issues to deal and the majority of them keep on keeping on.
Had CS been around in the Doohan/Rainey/Schwantz era (which he wouldn't have) this 'Walkabout' would have been not only a great source of comedy, but I doubt anyone would have taken him seriously again. We are all too soft, and his strong QP performance highlights this even more, he should have been there all along and his ailment is a phobia of being beaten.....

I really feel for Nicky at present, if only Ducati could morph Nicky's attitude with Casey's riding and relationship with the duck they would have a real threat to VR.....

 

[babelfish]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Oct 3 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Awesome return to qualifying for Stoner. Front row. Race will be a battle between Stoner and Rossi for the victory. Lorenzo is fast but wont be able to race with these guys on Sunday. Pressure is on for the Yamaha pair to maintain their dominance.
Pressure is all on Stoner with regards to proving anything. He has always been quick on single laps and only fools would doubt that he would come back just as quick as he was. I don't know what you think but motorbike racing is something you actually can take a year brake from and come back just as strong. Give a racer a couple of sessions and he should be right back on speed. It's not like heavy endurance sports where only years of continuous training will do.
So, unless there where something really wrong with his head I'd say his performance today were right on par. The question is: Can he hold race distance? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see him back on track and right away among the top four where he belongs.
Lorenzo and Rossi have a championship to fight and won't offer Stoner a thought as long as he is not in between them.
Way up in front or behind it could just as well have been Canepa, they couldn't care less. Only if he become or look like a possible buffer between Lorenzo and Rossi there might be friction, but with the yamaha guys only relative points difference between them are of interest, nothing else.
Right now they could just as well be fighting 4th to 8th, doing nothing but counting points in the total standings.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 3 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VR's comments are on his own performance and set-up, CS ....... about tyres, ....
You really don't get this logical argument thing do you? Of the doubtless manifold ways in which valentino exceeds any rider who ever has been and ever will be, and casey stoner in particular, I wouldn't have thought never complaining about his tyres was at the forefront.

(EDIT) I personally think that quite a good case can be made for valentino being better than schwantz, and even doohan and rainey, but I guess I must be wrong if a rider capable of winning 18 races and a world championship against him is so deficient.

 

[BarryMachine]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 4 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh Jum, your so easy to nail these days!!!!

VR's comments are on his own performance and set-up, CS ....... about tyres, notably something 'out of his control', couldn't be my fault I only got 3rd, it was the tyres, the majority of this thread is actually a little sickening, some CS boppers should really put their hand up to hold his .... next time it all gets too much.......

Since when do we accept this kind of behavior? And then bring out the 'Mills and Bloom' style excuses, .... that! Ever rider on that grid has extreme issues to deal and the majority of them keep on keeping on.
Had CS been around in the Doohan/Rainey/Schwantz era (which he wouldn't have) this 'Walkabout' would have been not only a great source of comedy, but I doubt anyone would have taken him seriously again. We are all too soft, and his strong QP performance highlights this even more, he should have been there all along and his ailment is a phobia of being beaten.....

I really feel for Nicky at present, if only Ducati could morph Nicky's attitude with Casey's riding and relationship with the duck they would have a real threat to VR.....



Wahhh Waaah Wahhh Soook sook sook ......... get real fella

Edit:

Oops! ...... I just realised .... are you a girl? ....

... in which case forget what I said

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 4 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wahhh Waaah Wahhh Soook sook sook ......... get real fella

Edit:

Oops! ...... I just realised .... are you a girl? ....

... in which case forget what I said

Only female behavior here is being shown by CS and his supporters, I think I just heard he is selling his story to NewIdea and Womens Weekly, and as you are an avid reader I'm sure you will be the first to let us all know when it breaks.......come to think of it, most of CS's defenders post's sound like Womens Day letters to the editor.

all jokes aside, come on, really??? Can you defend pics like the Fishing one at Uluru, compare that to one of MD's traction shots with metal hanging out of his leg everywhere.......get real

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 4 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really don't get this logical argument thing do you? Of the doubtless manifold ways in which valentino exceeds any rider who ever has been and ever will be, and casey stoner in particular, I wouldn't have thought never complaining about his tyres was at the forefront.

(EDIT) I personally think that quite a good case can be made for valentino being better than schwantz, and even doohan and rainey, but I guess I must be wrong if a rider capable of winning 18 races and a world championship against him is so deficient.

Of course you missed the point, would expect nothing less with those Red, Blue and white glasses you have on, I never said CS was not a good rider, he has the talent, but his attitude, especially of late, sucks!! Simple.

CS is one of the fortunate few who gets to compete on the world stage, gets payed millions to race to worlds fastest motorcycles, yet appears to be ready to throw the toys out of the cot when he can't win, 99.99% of the riders would have worked through this and turned up to compete, regardless of the potential result, this is a fact.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 3 2009, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course you missed the point, would expect nothing less with those Red, Blue and white glasses you have on, I never said CS was not a good rider, he has the talent, but his attitude, especially of late, sucks!! Simple.

CS is one of the fortunate few who gets to compete on the world stage, gets payed millions to race to worlds fastest motorcycles, yet appears to be ready to throw the toys out of the cot when he can't win, 99.99% of the riders would have worked through this and turned up to compete, regardless of the potential result, this is a fact.

The privileges involved with riding GP are in the eye of the beholder. Though we might relish GP as an excellent use of a lifetime, it is clear that other riders don't necessarily feel that way. Stoner is the type of rider who wants to focus on riding only. He isn't a multi-dimensional marketing athlete like Rossi. I don't think his lack of media presence should qualify Stoner as a ......

The more I think about it, Rossi is the only multi-dimensional marketing darling I can think of in international motorsports competition. You really can't find marketing savvy motorsports athletes outside of NASCAR (except Danica).

 

[VHMP01]

Championship:
1.- 46
2.- 99

Estoril Qualifying:
1.- 99
2.- 46

My prediction for the race (hopefully):
1.- 46 (for 104).
That’s all…

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 4 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The privileges involved with riding GP are in the eye of the beholder. Though we might relish GP as an excellent use of a lifetime, it is clear that other riders don't necessarily feel that way. Stoner is the type of rider who wants to focus on riding only. He isn't a multi-dimensional marketing athlete like Rossi. I don't think his lack of media presence should qualify Stoner as a ......

The more I think about it, Rossi is the only multi-dimensional marketing darling I can think of in international motorsports competition. You really can't find marketing savvy motorsports athletes outside of NASCAR (except Danica).

CS's lack of media presence is not what earnt him the '.....' title, it is his recent lack of presence at Motogp events which he is suppose to participate in!!!

Eye of the beholder indeed, but you'd have to agree that this life is extremely sort after with many hundreds of thousands waiting in the wings. On this premise it should be considered a privileged opportunity.

 

[VHMP01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 3 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CS's lack of media presence is not what earnt him the '.....' title, it is his recent lack of presence at Motogp events which he is suppose to participate in!!!

Eye of the beholder indeed, but you'd have to agree that this life is extremely sort after with many hundreds of thousands waiting in the wings. On this premise it should be considered a privileged opportunity.

Hundreds of thousands + 1… Me, do they have an opening?

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 4 2009, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course you missed the point, would expect nothing less with those Red, Blue and white glasses you have on, I never said CS was not a good rider, he has the talent, but his attitude, especially of late, sucks!! Simple.

CS is one of the fortunate few who gets to compete on the world stage, gets payed millions to race to worlds fastest motorcycles, yet appears to be ready to throw the toys out of the cot when he can't win, 99.99% of the riders would have worked through this and turned up to compete, regardless of the potential result, this is a fact.
If you have a point, try making it as you have done to a much greater extent in this post, rather than indulging yourself with abusive tirades.

I can understand why some people don't like stoner's attitude, and you are quite entitled to your opinion regarding this. It would doubtless be better even for him if he was more like valentino rossi, but he isn't like valentino, and in my opinion would look silly trying to ape him. I personally rather like his approach to the media, ie this is exactly what I think and if you don't like it you can .... off, except for the lack of grace he sometimes displays towards competitors. Perhaps my approval is because his method is similar to that of mick doohan, my all-time hero, although mick obviously mostly operated from a position of greater strength.

As for the rest of your post, as with others in your camp it is predicated on an assumption ie that stoner has not had anything physically wrong with him, and regardless of whether I know more about medicine than you if there is definitive evidence for this I am happy for you to point it out to me. You could at least wait to see whether he continues to fade late in races starting with this one;I will concede there is less pressure on him now than there will be when the championship is again up for grabs at the start of next year if he continues.

 

[SuperShinya56]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 3 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you have a point, try making it as you have done to a much greater extent in this post, rather than indulging yourself with abusive tirades.

I can understand why some people don't like stoner's attitude, and you are quite entitled to your opinion regarding this. It would doubtless be better even for him if he was more like valentino rossi, but he isn't like valentino, and in my opinion would look silly trying to ape him. I personally rather like his approach to the the media, ie this is exactly what I think and if you don't like it you can .... off, except for the lack of grace he sometimes displays towards competitors. Perhaps my approval is because his method is similar to that of mick doohan, my all-time hero, although mick obviously mostly operated from a position of greater strength.

As for the rest of your post, as with others in your camp it is predicated on an assumption ie that stoner has not had anything physically wrong with him, and regardless of whether I know more about medicine than you if there is definitive evidence for this I am happy for you to point it out to me.


Really now? That's really how you see him? He strikes me more as a " I've just got my ... beaten and demoralize, now I must lash out and make excuses to save face" kind of guy.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 3 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CS's lack of media presence is not what earnt him the '.....' title, it is his recent lack of presence at Motogp events which he is suppose to participate in!!!

Eye of the beholder indeed, but you'd have to agree that this life is extremely sort after with many hundreds of thousands waiting in the wings. On this premise it should be considered a privileged opportunity.

Who delivers his antics to you? or are you there in person every weekend?

The media do not offer a perspective that is necessarily representative of fact. Riders like Rossi use the media the way a movie star uses the camera to make them look good and expand their appeal. A disingenuous appeal to the fans doesn't really cross Stoner's mind. That's part of the reason why Marlboro want to drop him.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 4 2009, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really now? That's really how you see him? He strikes me more as a " I've just got my ... beaten and demoralize, now I must lash out and make excuses to save face" kind of guy.
Sorry, my bad. Having won only 18 races to rossi's 19, pedrosa's 5 and lorenzo's 4 in the 800 formula, he has obviously had a lot of face to save.

 

[Talpa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 4 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you have a point, try making it as you have done to a much greater extent in this post, rather than indulging yourself with abusive tirades.
My point was pretty simple for those who missed it; CS's attitude of late sucks!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 4 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can understand why some people don't like stoner's attitude, and you are quite entitled to your opinion regarding this. It would doubtless be better even for him if he was more like valentino rossi, but he isn't like valentino, and in my opinion would look silly trying to ape him. I personally rather like his approach to the media, ie this is exactly what I think and if you don't like it you can .... off, except for the lack of grace he sometimes displays towards competitors. Perhaps my approval is because his method is similar to that of mick doohan, my all-time hero, although mick obviously mostly operated from a position of greater strength.

Utterly ridiculous, MD's method was much more media/PR friendly. And he would never miss races because of fatigue, .... he raced while his leg was still bleeding majorly, even relating the two is an insult to MD, the only thing they have in common is that they both raced motorcycles.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 4 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the rest of your post, as with others in your camp it is predicated on an assumption ie that stoner has not had anything physically wrong with him, and regardless of whether I know more about medicine than you if there is definitive evidence for this I am happy for you to point it out to me. You could at least wait to see whether he continues to fade late in races starting with this one;I will concede there is less pressure on him now than there will be when the championship is again up for grabs at the start of next year if he continues.

Thats just it, there is no evidence where there normally is, the only evidence I have is a pic of CS smiling with a Big smelly Barra in his hands-which whether sick or not does not go down to well PR wise.
As for the future who knows, CS will need some serious consistent results to reel him out of the current PR/Racing/Development pit he put himself in, the Yams are just pulling away, his QP was quick but overall pace down.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 4 2009, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point was pretty simple for those who missed it; CS's attitude of late sucks!!
This is getting tedious.

In a thread entitled (correct me if I am wrong) "estoril qualifying thread" and in which I could perhaps be forgiven for thinking that you were addressing the topic of qualifying for this week-end's race rather than anything generalised you may have ever thought, said to your family or friends or even posted on this or other fora you criticised casey stoner specifically for complaining about his tyres on the basis that they were an extrinsic factor whilst maintaining that as always any complaint by valentino was entirely legitimate. Given that valentino spent virtually all of 2007 complaining about his tyres to the extent that the tyre firm involved, a long time supporter of both him and the sport in general, was eventually forced out of motogp, some might consider this argument to be rather selective, particularly since you are also calling others biased as is your wont.

(EDIT) btw, does anyone else remember mick doohan being media/pr friendly?

 

[BarryMachine]

^^^ Talpa you are one seriously deluded kid!!

Every bit of your ramblings seems wacko, but here's a prime bit ...... " get himself out of the pit"


He's the top Duc. Rider by far ....


his chic is even better than the one you dream of.


He gets paid bucketloads

He just took time of work, very publicly, and went Barra fishing ( very publicly ) .............. and his employer is still happy as, that he's back. I guess we all dream of such a worklife like that

wacko boy

all for the sake of sooking about a guy who is faster than your hero.........