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Estoril 2012: RACE

Top six in last two races:



1. Honda

2. Yamaha

3. Honda

4. Tech 3 Yamaha

5. Tech 3 Yamaha

6. Gresini Honda



Honda-Yamaha cup.
 
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It would be better to see them fighting with Pedro or Dovi or Cal, rather than Bradl and Bautista...



At the moment, it's more 'Bumfight' than 'Raging Bull'

agreed, my point is simply that i got the impression they were at least trying harder compared to the last 2 races! vales body position looked far more agressive during the entire weekend, not as upright as in qatar especially.so who knows but my guess is that even if nicky didn't have electronic problems rossi would at least have been much closer to him if not in front of him than he had been in qatar.



ben made some mistakes which cost him a lot, i know ifs and buts, but i imagine that if he managed to ride without error a little longer and stayed with the front group he would have been able to fight for at least 4th. no way i can say or imagine that about his lackluster ride in qatar!
 
Boring race again for me. Happy for Dovi. Not sure why everyone is so hard on Pedrosa, IMO a close 3rd is a feat in MotoGP. Especially with the front competition being Stoner and Lorenzo.



If anything Spies is the real waste of a good Factory ride currently.



Now Moto2, yet again nice and entertaining.
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Yes, same old same, too boring...too predictable, something need to change to keep up any excitiment in this class. Okey it was better than Stoner leading 10 to 20sec advantage... Even middle group didn`t have good battle. (like back old days..) I hoped more from Cal, Hayden and Spies...

Second check if I can find something I missed...
 
Or Kenny Roberts, or Eddie Lawson, or Mick Doohan, or Rossi in his heyday. Stoner is a great rider but he's not unique.



I disagree. I think Stoner is unique, and he looks like a combination between Lawson and Schwantz, imo. What fans get is a rider that has the focus and determination to win multiple titles in a deep field, with the ability to make a bike go faster than it was designed to go.



Everyone better look out. With Stoner being so strong on these last 2 tracks, it could get ugly. Not only did he win, he controlled the action at will on tracks that historically he just hoped to hold serve. Lucky for the field, he is not 3-0 to start the season, with some of his better tracks coming up. I think we are seeing a new DORNA friendly Stoner. One who is keeping it close enough for the " bored fan" to have hope of someone beating him, but able to pull a couple of tenths any time he wants to keep a safe enough distance not to allow any kind of bonzai move on him for the pass. This could be his most dominant year.



Jerez was an incredible reversal of form, but Stoner's record at Estoril is much better than the numbers lead on.



2006 - Crashed into Gibby. Gibby retires after injury. Stoner gets Sete's seat.

2007 - Ducati/Bridgestone bogey track

2008 - Ducati/Bridgestone bogey track, with the onboard camera malfunction

2009 - 2nd place after breaking off one of his footpegs

2010 - crash

2011 - 3rd after mystery physical ailment

2012 - 1st



Estoril has traditionally been a Michelin circuit. Since the departure of Michelin, Stoner has been on the box in every race, except 2010, which was a season plagued by the return of mysterious front end losses for Stoner/Ducati. In 2010, QP was cancelled due to inclimate weather, and Stoner was forced to fight his way towards the front from 4th place on the grid. IIRC, they didn't have any dry practice sessions before the race, either.



If the anamoly is dismissed, Stoner has an average finish of 2nd place since the control tire. 2012 has been too weird to extrapolate results for the entire season, imo. Stoner faltered at Qatar (by his standards), but won his first ever races at Jerez and Estoril. Lorenzo appears to be a setup rider who likes the bike working a certain way, but ,besides Qatar, he hasn't had a dry weekend. Lorenzo won at Qatar. If anything can be gleaned from the 2012 season so far, grip-it-and-rip-it racing favors Stoner. He can adjust on the fly, and ride through/around problems. If all is fair and sunny, Lorenzo may have a slight advantage now that Yamaha have closed the performance gap.
 
I think it is down to tyres as well. He was wont to do a runner on the old bridgestone hard rear both because he knew it would last till the end, and because pushing that tyre was actually necessary to keep it at operating temperature. He has now won two races in a row on a soft rear though, so he seems to have eliminated his only weakness, since hitherto jorge and dani could last till the end on that tyre on circuits which suited it and he couldn't. Perhaps the warm- up heroics were to show what he could do if he had no need for tyre preservation.



I am not sure all is revealed as yet, because I think he was still on the soft compound variant of the stiff carcass bridgestone. We will have to see what happens on tracks which suit the new 2012 bridgestone he apparently doesn't like.

I think Stoner was on the old harder front tire too.I wonder if HCR can get some new forks or something to help when it's gone.



Great race by top 3 as usual.I could actually see some kind of chatter in the slowmotion zoom in-bits filming Stoners rear tire.Maybe I didn't but it looked like he was running on alot bumpier track than Lorenzo's rearwheel when zoomed in.



I'm not so impressed,as usual,by Rossi who not only needs Hayden's set up ideas,but needs to have him slowed down not to be outpaced again.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/ducati+team+estoril
 
Man, I'm tryin'... I've bounced the noggin of the tarmac a few times (lid on!), a couple of solid smacks by booms on racing yachts (no lid!) - even fell off an escarpment about 50'. I still can't reach that level of stoopid!



Man them booms hurt! Really I'm feeling your pain.

GK24 Going full chat, I was unprepared for the tack!

Ended up in the solent n lucky to be typing.
 
Did anyone notice that the telecast went away from the leaders with a couple of laps to go, to concentrate on a battle for 8th. During this time, we did not get to witness a rider being lapped. Coincidence?



Like the 2012 tire to slow Casey down conspiracy, to the Honda weight to slow Casey down conspiracy, to the lets introduce CRTs to slow Casey down conspiracy, to this lets not show Casey lapping a rider conspiracy, u guys just make .... up, throw it into the air and hope it sticks. Not only did they show the lap rider, but they talked about it as it happened.
 
Like the 2012 tire to slow Casey down conspiracy, to the Honda weight to slow Casey down conspiracy, to the lets introduce CRTs to slow Casey down conspiracy, to this lets not show Casey lapping a rider conspiracy, u guys just make .... up, throw it into the air and hope it sticks. Not only did they show the lap rider, but they talked about it as it happened.



True. And the marshalls were waving giant blue flags furiously, and Daniello Petrucci did an excellent job of getting out of the way for the leaders. Dorna should probably make a video for their youtube channel to show how safe the lapped rider situation was. Hopefully, all lapped rider situations will be safe.
 
True. And the marshalls were waving giant blue flags furiously, and Daniello Petrucci did an excellent job of getting out of the way for the leaders. Dorna should probably make a video for their youtube channel to show how safe the lapped rider situation was. Hopefully, all lapped rider situations will be safe.



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Im gonna start calling these 'POV conspiracies', depending on ur 'Point Of View' it might be a conspiracy.
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True. And the marshalls were waving giant blue flags furiously, and Daniello Petrucci did an excellent job of getting out of the way for the leaders. Dorna should probably make a video for their youtube channel to show how safe the lapped rider situation was. Hopefully, all lapped rider situations will be safe.

Wasnt shown on Speed. I caught a glimps of a rider a couple of corners ahead of Stoner and they went to the battle for 8th place and never showed the rider getting lapped, and never mentioned it.
 

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