Estoril 2011 Race

Oh gee what a surprise!!! Nino and Rossiofsky having a gripe about Stoner ........ wah wah wah ....



broken record fellows



Fancy that!! Casey and Lorenzo are saying something about a rider who they well thought could do this:







at a most dangerous tim ( seems how its spelled these days ).



Dear O deary me



They just have no respect do they, unlike Rossi and Simoncellii who even went out of their ways to entertain Stoner and Lorenzo with trapese ( or Italian Airforce ) acts.



As JL said ...... " these aren't minibikes" ......

children, children...lol..





Great race by Pedro, I was very impressed by his race craft this weekend. I thought Lorenzo would toy with him a little bit then pull the pin with a few laps to go, but it got turned around..ha.



Not the most entertaining race but at least we had the 1-2 and the 4-5 battle..

J4rn0 said:

Never mind. Receiving that kind of flak is Rossi's privilege here. And anyway Sic is being a bit too fast and some are worried about it. So let's bash him a bit.



Spies almost took Hayden out of the race but nobody is even mentioning the fact. Just imagine if it had been the 'desperate and dangerous' Rossi or the 'criminal' Simoncelli.

Spies had technical problems today -- but no technical problems would have been enough to justify these others.



It seems that a mechanic forgot a tool attached to Spies' bike. Great. Now imagine for a moment if Rossi was Spies' teammate. We would have furious conspiracy theories going on:, after all, how is it possible that Ben was so fast during pre-season tests at Sepang, but found himself off the pace as soon as the races started: Rossi would be accused of denying 'equal status' to his teammate and of pulling strings to boycott him and using him as a 'test mule' etc. etc. with similar dementia ad infinitum.

But the evil Rossi can't be blamed, and everything remains quiet... And the 'New King of MotoGP' declares that his relations with his teammate Spies are wonderful, they are 'really a team' now, not like when Rossi was there.

Let's ask Spies after this season...

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I have also learnt that only by our imagination we can find many things out about different riders.

I exactly imagined this afternoon if Rossi still was at Yamaha, we could hear the test mule thing and some.

But apart from this now imagine if these guy's had a few more championships in motogp.



To be fair there weren't much action to talk about, though more than enough quetes and rivalry to write a few stories about.

Jumkie said:

Im not disappointed. In order for me to be disappointed, he'd have to underperform on competative machinary, at very least what Rossi is riding. Perhaps u believe he has the tools to compete, I dont. U can stick ur head in the sand and let me know what it tastes like. They should remove the number plate and put T1 and dispell with the ......... Rossi finished in exactly wher Nicky is capable of. In fact, the race ended for Rossi reminicent of Nicky all last year, being nipped by Dovi.

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In all fairness to Nicky he was having issues with his bike and they decided to ride it out instead of switching bikes. He did good considering but he isn't the guy who is gonna go out and run a bunch of consistent laps like the aliens but I have no doubt in my mind that he would smoke Dovi on equal equipment. He'll be back up front when they fix the bike. I don't want to take anything away from Dovi either, him and Pedro had great strategies for this race. Stoner also did good to get on the box, I honestly didn't think he was gonna see the podium today.

After rewatching the race, i have to say indeed Pedrosa did a very great job by winning this race, especially immediately after his surgery.

This was one of his best races in motogp. for the first time he shadowed the leader all the way, without any hurry and finally overtook Lorenzo very comfortably and didn't give any chance of a comeback to him. Lorenzo did his best, but his best wasn't enough today.

hawkdriver said:

Looks like your two boys were wrong again, it's crazy that a guy with so much 'racing experience' like yourself would believe the media hacks before the time sheets. You only hear what you want to hear and parrot it around like fact. Wrong again.

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I hadn't had a chance to look at the time sheets yet. Unlike yourself and other

gutless hypocrites around here, I have the integrity to admit when I'm wrong.





There's no shame in taking the word of one of the most respected commentators

in the business. I'd still take Nick Harris' word over some of the arm-chair fanboys

around here - half of which don't even own a ....... motorcycle - never mind

ever having been on an actual track. http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif



If Nick Harris is a hack - what does that make you? He's been covering the sport since before you were born little man.

Pedrosa was toying with Lorenzo. When you look at the analysis, you can see when he pulled the pin, his front straight speed jumped from 297 KMH to 315 KMH. Either that or the computer gave him full power with 4 laps to go







1 1'44.107 24.944 24.285 23.707 31.171 213.7

2 1'38.345 20.171 23.940 23.327 30.907 301.9

3 1'38.274 20.325 23.886 23.198 30.865 286.8

4 1'38.021 20.206 23.830 23.148 30.837 294.4

5 1'38.060 20.228 23.753 23.117 30.962 298.8

6 1'38.037 20.124 23.747 23.195 30.971 299.5

7 1'38.175 20.084 23.783 23.140 31.168 301.2

8 1'38.131 20.235 23.749 23.152 30.995 292.5

9 1'38.167 20.228 23.722 23.226 30.991 302.8

10 1'38.260 20.255 23.810 23.119 31.076 297.1

11 1'37.954 20.070 23.769 23.100 31.015 297.8

12 1'38.040 20.100 23.812 23.196 30.932 303.3

13 1'37.844 20.140 23.618 23.198 30.888 300.4

14 1'38.006 20.082 23.828 23.151 30.945 303.8

15 1'37.975 20.082 23.760 23.217 30.916 299.2

16 1'38.003 20.000 23.772 23.186 31.045 301.3

17 1'38.080 20.137 23.834 23.224 30.885 299.5

18 1'38.019 20.144 23.698 23.225 30.952 298.1

19 1'37.770 20.035 23.774 23.176 30.785 301.0

20 1'37.921 19.996 23.765 23.154 31.006 306.3

21 1'38.247 20.070 23.783 23.425 30.969 295.4

22 1'38.012 20.170 23.709 23.191 30.942 294.4

23 1'37.950 20.086 23.755 23.239 30.870 301.3

24 1'37.977 20.060 23.787 23.295 30.835 297.4

25 1'38.197 20.022 23.847 23.287 31.041 315.6

26 1'37.763 19.830 23.692 23.209 31.032 313.2

27 1'37.629 19.765 23.752 23.076 31.036 311.7

28 1'38.519 19.904 23.914 23.288 31.413 311.7

BarryMachine said:

Oh gee what a surprise!!! Nino and Rossiofsky having a gripe about Stoner ........ wah wah wah ....



broken record fellows

Fancy that!! Casey and Lorenzo are saying something about a rider who they well thought could do this:

at a most dangerous tim ( seems how its spelled these days ).



Dear O deary me

They just have no respect do they, unlike Rossi and Simoncellii who even went out of their ways to entertain Stoner and Lorenzo with trapese ( or Italian Airforce ) acts.

As JL said ...... " these aren't minibikes" ......

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Wasn't Lorenzo crashing left and right at the begin?



As usual you have hide your pain very good, with your lol emos, but the last one betrayed you, though even without that i know in your case how more emos how more pi$$ed off you are

I know you dont care for the facts, but who made the mistake in Estoril 2010, Lorenzo or Simoncheli? I already have uploaded the video of the first 6 laps of estoril (because they overtook eachother a few times and i found it easier to upload the whole battle), if you dont remember it anymore, go check it out again and make up your mind. But if you remeber it well enough and still think Sic was at fault, then i will know another thing about you.

http://www.mediafire.com/?bm62875csxx8161



You can make a thread about this and let everybody vote.

povol said:

Pedrosa was toying with Lorenzo. When you look at the analysis, you can see when he pulled the pin, his front straight speed jumped from 297 KMH to 315 KMH. Either that or the computer gave him full power with 4 laps to go







1 1'44.107 24.944 24.285 23.707 31.171 213.7

2 1'38.345 20.171 23.940 23.327 30.907 301.9

3 1'38.274 20.325 23.886 23.198 30.865 286.8

4 1'38.021 20.206 23.830 23.148 30.837 294.4

5 1'38.060 20.228 23.753 23.117 30.962 298.8

6 1'38.037 20.124 23.747 23.195 30.971 299.5

7 1'38.175 20.084 23.783 23.140 31.168 301.2

8 1'38.131 20.235 23.749 23.152 30.995 292.5

9 1'38.167 20.228 23.722 23.226 30.991 302.8

10 1'38.260 20.255 23.810 23.119 31.076 297.1

11 1'37.954 20.070 23.769 23.100 31.015 297.8

12 1'38.040 20.100 23.812 23.196 30.932 303.3

13 1'37.844 20.140 23.618 23.198 30.888 300.4

14 1'38.006 20.082 23.828 23.151 30.945 303.8

15 1'37.975 20.082 23.760 23.217 30.916 299.2

16 1'38.003 20.000 23.772 23.186 31.045 301.3

17 1'38.080 20.137 23.834 23.224 30.885 299.5

18 1'38.019 20.144 23.698 23.225 30.952 298.1

19 1'37.770 20.035 23.774 23.176 30.785 301.0

20 1'37.921 19.996 23.765 23.154 31.006 306.3

21 1'38.247 20.070 23.783 23.425 30.969 295.4

22 1'38.012 20.170 23.709 23.191 30.942 294.4

23 1'37.950 20.086 23.755 23.239 30.870 301.3

24 1'37.977 20.060 23.787 23.295 30.835 297.4

25 1'38.197 20.022 23.847 23.287 31.041 315.6

26 1'37.763 19.830 23.692 23.209 31.032 313.2

27 1'37.629 19.765 23.752 23.076 31.036 311.7

28 1'38.519 19.904 23.914 23.288 31.413 311.7

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Yes, i think the same. He had more speed left in him, when he knew he is alone with Lorenzo, he didn't hurry.

Keshav said:

I hadn't had a chance to look at the time sheets yet. Unlike yourself and other

gutless hypocrites around here, I have the integrity to admit when I'm wrong.





There's no shame in taking the word of one of the most respected commentators

in the business. I'd still take Nick Harris' word over some of the arm-chair fanboys

around here - half of which don't even own a ....... motorcycle - never mind

ever having been on an actual track. http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif



If Nick Harris is a hack - what does that make you? He's been covering the sport since before you were born little man.

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They were posted in this thread for you, and a racing commentator... their job is to entertain you not to present you with any facts. After seeing all of your coments around here, I'm convinced that being on a track doesn't mean ..... Every discussion you get into here, we have to hear about your expertise in said subject.

You were a racer, you're a business man, and now you were some kind of photographer for a long time. You seem to be a regular jack of all trades but a master of none unless we include ........ artist.

hawkdriver said:

They were posted in this thread for you, and a racing commentator... their job is to entertain you not to present you with any facts. After seeing all of your coments around here, I'm convinced that being on a track doesn't mean ..... Every discussion you get into here, we have to hear about your expertise in said subject.

You were a racer, you're a business man, and now you were some kind of photographer for a long time. You seem to be a regular jack of all trades but a master of none unless we include ........ artist.

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I think there is liitle doubt that simoncelli slowed stoner a little, and that nearly losing the bike whatever the aetiology caused him to be circumspect for a while. He pretty clearly was a little off the pace anyway, but only a little, and didn't say any more than other riders say in similar circumstances. Every credit should be given to pedrosa who rode a great race, but I am not sure stoner can be written off after being slightly off the pace on close to his worst track; lorenzo was clearly better than rossi at a few tracks in 2009, but this did not stop rossi winning the championship. Pedrosa is obviously a good chance for the championship regardless if he avoids injury, and perhaps now should be favourite over lorenzo unless they can upgrade the yamaha, given that he beat jorge fairly decisively at his best track.



I think it is pretty silly to attempt psychiatric diagnoses on bike riders over the internet with or without medical training, btw.

michaelm said:

I think there is liitle doubt that simoncelli slowed stoner a little, and that nearly losing the bike whatever the aetiology caused him to be circumspect for a while. He pretty clearly was a little off the pace anyway, but only a little, and didn't say any more than other riders say in similar circumstances. Every credit should be given to pedrosa who rode a great race, but I am not sure stoner can be written off after being slightly off the pace on close to his worst track; lorenzo was clearly better than rossi at a few tracks in 2009, but this did not stop rossi winning the championship. Pedrosa is obviously a good chance for the championship regardless if he avoids injury, and perhaps now should be favourite over lorenzo unless they can upgrade the yamaha, given that he beat jorge fairly decisively at his best track.



I think it is pretty silly to attempt psychiatric diagnoses on bike riders over the internet with or without medical training, btw.

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This is what the entire discussion with Keshav has been about and it seems you agree, Stoner never had the pace today. I haven't written him off yet and just like he hasn't done good here, what was Pedrosa's previous best here. I know this isn't Stoner's best track but his worst tracks are where he needs to try and focus to gain better points. I didn't think he was going to podium so he did good with that but he clearly was anything but focused during practice and he can't let Pedro get away. He also complained that Pedro slowed him up but who cares, he was much faster today. Testing should do him good.



I think it is pretty silly to attempt psychiatric diagnoses on bike riders over the internet with or without medical training, btw.

That's cool, I think mental condition as well as physical condition have an impact on these guys and I like talking about it. Mental pressure can do a hell of a lot to a man.



I just think Stoner is going about things the wrong way and inciting the enemy/other riders is dangerous territory. You better be prepared for what's to come when you start calling people out. One of the things people hate about Rossi is how no one else wants to race him the way he does but Stoner isn't the guy any other rider is going to extend that 'courtesy' to as we've seen.

Great race Pedro...he was just too good today. Jlo was so smooth but simply not fast enough after Dani pulled the pin. A heroic effort from him especially considering his shoulder must only be at 60-70%. Maybe Valentino can assess the shoulder situation for him and give us an accurate figure



Casey not fast enough all weekend but he never does great at these go-kart tracks so he should be reasonably happy with a podium at one of his worst circuits. He needs to tone down his comments and concentrate on the job at hand. He has a propensity to lose focus at times when he swallows those angry pills but he seems to be adopting a more realistic strategy of looking for maximum points at each round rather than a win at all costs policy which should hold him in good stead until he gets to some of the tracks that suit his style more.



Dovi stole that 4th from Valentino but Rossi looked VERY happy afterwards with a well earned 5th place. He still isnt near where he would like but he is showing gradual improvement as you would expect.



So much bitching and moaning from many of the riders this weekend - they are starting to sound like some of the posters on here...I wont mention any names OK Talpa

povol said:

Pedrosa was toying with Lorenzo. When you look at the analysis, you can see when he pulled the pin, his front straight speed jumped from 297 KMH to 315 KMH. Either that or the computer gave him full power with 4 laps to go



1 1'44.107 24.944 24.285 23.707 31.171 213.7

2 1'38.345 20.171 23.940 23.327 30.907 301.9

3 1'38.274 20.325 23.886 23.198 30.865 286.8

4 1'38.021 20.206 23.830 23.148 30.837 294.4

5 1'38.060 20.228 23.753 23.117 30.962 298.8

6 1'38.037 20.124 23.747 23.195 30.971 299.5

7 1'38.175 20.084 23.783 23.140 31.168 301.2

8 1'38.131 20.235 23.749 23.152 30.995 292.5

9 1'38.167 20.228 23.722 23.226 30.991 302.8

10 1'38.260 20.255 23.810 23.119 31.076 297.1

11 1'37.954 20.070 23.769 23.100 31.015 297.8

12 1'38.040 20.100 23.812 23.196 30.932 303.3

13 1'37.844 20.140 23.618 23.198 30.888 300.4

14 1'38.006 20.082 23.828 23.151 30.945 303.8

15 1'37.975 20.082 23.760 23.217 30.916 299.2

16 1'38.003 20.000 23.772 23.186 31.045 301.3

17 1'38.080 20.137 23.834 23.224 30.885 299.5

18 1'38.019 20.144 23.698 23.225 30.952 298.1

19 1'37.770 20.035 23.774 23.176 30.785 301.0

20 1'37.921 19.996 23.765 23.154 31.006 306.3

21 1'38.247 20.070 23.783 23.425 30.969 295.4

22 1'38.012 20.170 23.709 23.191 30.942 294.4

23 1'37.950 20.086 23.755 23.239 30.870 301.3

24 1'37.977 20.060 23.787 23.295 30.835 297.4

25 1'38.197 20.022 23.847 23.287 31.041 315.6

26 1'37.763 19.830 23.692 23.209 31.032 313.2

27 1'37.629 19.765 23.752 23.076 31.036 311.7

28 1'38.519 19.904 23.914 23.288 31.413 311.7

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After this race I'm gonna start calling Pedrosa 'The Assassin,' or maybe 'Bobba Fett' (In keeping with the Darth Puig moniker His Evilness has earned.)



How much gas do you reckon Pedrosa saved by closely following J-Lo for ~20 laps?

It would be rather handy if the Honda could tell the rider when they have saved enough fuel to allow 100% power for the remainder of the race. Wait, wait, wait, ..... GO!!

Mr Squiggle said:

I wont mention any names OK Talpa

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Why not, you mention me in every post..........



You aren't obsessed are you?

hawkdriver said:

he can't let Pedro get away. He also complained that Pedro slowed him up but who cares, he was much faster today. Testing should do him good.

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This is exactly why stoner fans including me were so upset about jerez, riders are going to drop points through their own efforts at some stage without any assistance from others, and this is crucial with the calibre of the current field obviously including rossi when he gets the ducati sorted . I think even simoncelli may win a race or races before the season is out , but continue to think as I did before this race that no-one can pick him to win any individual race given his propensity to crash at present. It is still quite likely that stoner would be in the lead or fairly close to the lead without the unnecessary takedown at jerez though.



The to-ing and fro-ing between talpa and me has a long history, going back to stoner's previous health issues among other things, and many of my comments towards him are not entirely serious, but I won't let comments from him pass on general principles as part of the game on here , particularly a patently ridiculous claim that a rider is delusional. You are obviously entitled to your opinion about whether riders are feeling pressure, but similarly I have no obligation to agree with you .



I was doubtful about stoner taking on rossi in this fashion, but am quite enjoying the reaction, and I am not so sure it is a bad idea, given that he is going to be condemned by an element of rossi fandom whatever he does, and that rossi is not likely to treat him any differently anyway; certainly his restraint this year prior to jerez did not stop rossi torpedoing him .

rossiofsky said:

As usual you have hide your pain very good,

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I have pain!???



wow I didn't even realize it



Should I cry myself to sleep or something?





Pain



over what



On Estoril 2010 ........... who the F@$% cares about Estoril 2010, that was ages ago folk are commenting on Simoncelli's current riding form.

michaelm said:

I was doubtful about stoner taking on rossi in this fashion, but am quite enjoying the reaction, and I am not so sure it is a bad idea, given that he is going to be condemned by an element of rossi fandom whatever he does, and that rossi is not likely to treat him any differently anyway; certainly his restraint this year prior to jerez did not stop rossi torpedoing him

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I see you're more concerned about the reaction of all the fans who are pulling for their guys. My problem with Stoner is that beside the normal whigning he hasn't ever gone after anyone like this and it's out of character for him. He's said so himself that he's kept his mouth shut about all the comments from Rossi and JB, it seems to me that the Jerez incident has brought him to the boiling point and now he's letting it all out. I don't think that's a good place for Casey to be. Look at what he did to Nicky and Karel , they aren't here to make friends but making enemies isn't the way to go. Being torpedoed by accident is one thing but putting a giant target on your back and getting raced 'hard' is much different all together. Us fans' feelings for Stoner don't matter but he hasn't earned any on the track respect from his fellow racers with his recent behavior.

Nino said:

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to seeing if Ducati's new chassis' can add anything. They're about four tenths down from Honda at the moment, but certainly the heavier crankshaft in the engine should make some difference, after that it's down to the riders.

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They should be much improved. Hayden said the new engine is going to make the turn-in much easier. Between the new chassis, new engine, and new electronics, there's a chance Ducati could be close to competitive.

michaelm said:

The championship is obviously going to be at least a 3 way battle now, which means he has a chance to win it if he is good enough and honda don't make an early decision to back pedrosa over him.

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Honda have a history of allowing their riders to race for the title until it's inconceivable for one to win it. Remember 2006? Honda won't back one over the other until it's done and dusted. Unless, of course, you're referring to Honda having Stoner test parts for the 1000cc all throughout the season. I don't foresee that happening, either. Should be a straight fight.

Jumkie said:

Im not disappointed. In order for me to be disappointed, he'd have to underperform on competative machinary, at very least what Rossi is riding. Perhaps u believe he has the tools to compete, I dont. U can stick ur head in the sand and let me know what it tastes like. They should remove the number plate and put T1 and dispell with the ......... Rossi finished in exactly wher Nicky is capable of. In fact, the race ended for Rossi reminicent of Nicky all last year, being nipped by Dovi.

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Rossi gets the kit first, but I think what Hayden has is close. It just goes to show how poor that Ducati is. Like someone said earlier, it really puts Hayden's results last season in a different light. Much less Stoner's wins.

hawkdriver said:

In all fairness to Nicky he was having issues with his bike and they decided to ride it out instead of switching bikes. He did good considering but he isn't the guy who is gonna go out and run a bunch of consistent laps like the aliens but I have no doubt in my mind that he would smoke Dovi on equal equipment.

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Those Ducatis are never the same, that's why Hayden is so hesitant to use his number two. They can set them up identically and one is going to feel completely different from the other. The intricacies of the Ducati. And Hayden is notorious for being extremely consistent with his lap times.

Mr Squiggle said:

He has a propensity to lose focus at times when he swallows those angry pills but he seems to be adopting a more realistic strategy of looking for maximum points at each round rather than a win at all costs policy which should hold him in good stead until he gets to some of the tracks that suit his style more.

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He said the reason it appeared he was always in "win it or bin it" mode was because the Ducati didn't work unless you were wringing its neck. In my opinion, it's more of a case of having the luxury to cruise for points on the Honda than it is any change in his philosophy.

hawkdriver said:

I see you're more concerned about the reaction of all the fans who are pulling for their guys. My problem with Stoner is that beside the normal whigning he hasn't ever gone after anyone like this and it's out of character for him. He's said so himself that he's kept his mouth shut about all the comments from Rossi and JB, it seems to me that the Jerez incident has brought him to the boiling point and now he's letting it all out. I don't think that's a good place for Casey to be. Look at what he did to Nicky and Karel , they aren't here to make friends but making enemies isn't the way to go. Being torpedoed by accident is one thing but putting a giant target on your back and getting raced 'hard' is much different all together. Us fans' feelings for Stoner don't matter but he hasn't earned any on the track respect from his fellow racers with his recent behavior.

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You are of course absolutely entitled to your opinion.



From my point of view there are two different things on here, what is really happening and the game on here, and if here isn't partly a game it is an activity hard to justify for (theoretically) grown (mostly)men.



There are 2 points to address if we are to be serious. The die is well cast with rossi, and as long as it doesn't distract him as you say, imo he might as well proceed.



As far as him annoying other riders I have actually said I thought the qualifying passes were unnecessary, but abraham at least was loitering on the race line fairly late in qualifying which he shouldn't have been doing. Hayden deserves respect from everyone including stoner, particularly since they have a long association including 2 years as team-mates. Otherwise, your point about fan reaction also applies to you; just because you don't like him doesn't necessarily mean he is unpopular with other riders, he appears to get on well with lorenzo, spies and colin edwards for instance. Again you seem to focus on him being impolite and his personality not being to your liking, rather than anything he does in actuallity being a risk to other riders. Since his rookie error in 2006 which was at least not an impetuous pass he has arguably shown as much consideration in terms of actually causing danger to his fellow riders as anyone.