Estoril 2011 Race

J4rn0 · May 1, 2011

Nino said:
Did Stoner have a dig at Simoncelli post-race? If he did, it sounds like he's piggybacking Lorenzo's little movement and trying to distract people from the fact that his team mate was much quicker than him when he started going flat out.

Never mind. Receiving that kind of flak is Rossi's privilege here. And anyway Sic is being a bit too fast and some are worried about it. So let's bash him a bit.

Spies almost took Hayden out of the race but nobody is even mentioning the fact. Just imagine if it had been the 'desperate and dangerous' Rossi or the 'criminal' Simoncelli.

Spies had technical problems today -- but no technical problems would have been enough to justify these others.

It seems that a mechanic forgot a tool attached to Spies' bike. Great. Now imagine for a moment if Rossi was Spies' teammate. We would have furious conspiracy theories going on:, after all, how is it possible that Ben was so fast during pre-season tests at Sepang, but found himself off the pace as soon as the races started: Rossi would be accused of denying 'equal status' to his teammate and of pulling strings to boycott him and using him as a 'test mule' etc. etc. with similar dementia ad infinitum.

But the evil Rossi can't be blamed, and everything remains quiet... And the 'New King of MotoGP' declares that his relations with his teammate Spies are wonderful, they are 'really a team' now, not like when Rossi was there.

Let's ask Spies after this season...

Mental Anarchist · May 1, 2011

Great race by Pedrosa and Lorenzo. Lorenzo never looks like he is going fast to me because he and the Yamaha are so smooth. Pedrosa shows he is a man even though he is a midget.

Stoner complained about Sic cutting across him at the first corner and not giving any room when they entered the corner virtually side by side. To say that he wasn't baulked and didn't lose any ground when Sic high sided in front of him is just silly. It may not have been much but when the pace is as it is then fractions of seconds count. The result of both incidents meant that Stoner dropped out of that 30-40m range where you can get a tow from the riders in front. Stoner probably didn't have the pace when running on his own but if you have watched bike racing even for just a very short time you will have noticed that being in a 10-20 bike length zone allows you to feed off the riders in front and get an extra 10th or 2.

I thought Rossi rode a pretty good race. All the other Ducati's where well back but he was up there and held off Dovi for the whole race bar 50m at the end and kept it on 2 wheels. I would say that that is a pretty supreme effort knowing what we know about the Ducati. After the first couple of tests if you had of asked Rossi if he would be happy with the places he achieved I think he would have yelled YES.

Dovi better enjoy the year because it will be his last on factory gear.

Overall it was a dead boring race bar the first and last 4 laps. But hey this is MotoGP and what else can you expect?

esco · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Silent Pedrosa silences all the big mouths.

No words -- facts. Great race Pedro!

+1 Agreed..

I remember some doctors on this board stating he has no fight and that it really wasn't the arm giving him the problems mid race... Love it. Great race, Pedders Slap all of them.

Talpa · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Never mind. Receiving that kind of flak is Rossi's privilege here. And anyway Sic is being a bit too fast and some are a worried about it. So let's bash him a bit.

Spies almost took Hayden out of the race (serious blunder there) but nobody is even mentioning the fact. Just imagine if it had been the 'desperate and dangerous' Rossi or the 'criminal' Simoncelli.

Or imagine for a moment if Rossi was Spies' teammate. We would have furious conspiracy theories going on:, after all, how is it possible that Ben was so fast during pre-season tests at Sepang, but found himself off the pace as soon as the races started: Rossi would be accused of denying 'equal status' to his teammate and of pulling strings to boycott him and using him as a 'test mule' etc. etc. with similar dementia ad infinitum.

But the evil Rossi can't be blamed, and everything remains quiet... And the 'New King of MotoGP' declares that his relations with his teammate Spies are wonderful, they are 'really a team' now.

Yes they are rather quiet at present aren't they...........

I actually found the race ok, Pedders proved how good he can be by smashing the previously unbeaten Lorenzo at Estoril, not to mention really smashing his supremely gifted new teamate, who prepared the excuses mid race, funny he spent a lot of time touching his ... this weekend

Blaming sic for his loss was amongst the worst excuses I've ever heard, Sic was gone in the first Split! And Stoner was only around a second back from Jorge, less than a second to pedders at that point.......funny how 7-8 more seconds were added in the following 27 laps

Once again as I've said it before Pedders has a great shot at the title this year, and it is great to see him silence the boners without no ........ words or flailing arms or a shaking head, or patting his arse.

Pedders didn't flinch until he'd won, very gutsy and determined. Lorenzo was also once again impressive, maybe the Honda made the difference, but he did also say that he didn't expect Dani to run the extra pace at the end of the race.

Rossi was a little robbed by Dovi, funny how this exact thing has happened to him before at this Track! With the same margin! But I'm sure he was very happy after qualifying and to be leagues ahead of any other Ducati, and greatly improved on anything previous in the dry. Dovi rode very well and proved to be quite clever, however his 'Factory' status isn't looking good.......

esco · May 1, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
Great race by Pedrosa and Lorenzo. Lorenzo never looks like he is going fast to me because he and the Yamaha are so smooth. Pedrosa shows he is a man even though he is a midget.

Stoner complained about Sic cutting across him at the first corner and not giving any room when they entered the corner virtually side by side. To say that he wasn't baulked and didn't lose any ground when Sic high sided in front of him is just silly. It may not have been much but when the pace is as it is then fractions of seconds count. The result of both incidents meant that Stoner dropped out of that 30-40m range where you can get a tow from the riders in front. Stoner probably didn't have the pace when running on his own but if you have watched bike racing even for just a very short time you will have noticed that being in a 10-20 bike length zone allows you to feed off the riders in front and get an extra 10th or 2.

I thought Rossi rode a pretty good race. All the other Ducati's where well back but he was up there and held off Dovi for the whole race bar 50m at the end and kept it on 2 wheels. I would say that that is a pretty supreme effort knowing what we know about the Ducati. After the first couple of tests if you had of asked Rossi if he would be happy with the places he achieved I think he would have yelled YES.

Dovi better enjoy the year because it will be his last on factory gear.

Overall it was a dead boring race bar the first and last 4 laps. But hey this is MotoGP and what else can you expect?

This did not cause Stoner to loose the race. Dani didn't need anyone in front of him to pull a 3 second gap to j-lo at the end of the race. Peders was setting the fastest laps of the race at that point, He was just faster today. It could change next race but today no one kept up.

Keshav · May 1, 2011

Renjith said:
Not much dreamy but DELUSIONAL..

as in

But you see... we are talking about him.

Keshav · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Your are right, cameras are there on track but they could be too objective. Better to go with 'opinions'...

Or, if you have the MotoGP.Com account go have a look at the video:

1. This is Stoner's wobble; not nice, but he does not lose any ground.

2. Here is Sic's crash: Stoner's line is not disrupted. In the video you hear him closing the throttle one split second, then he opens up again and he clears away.

You are saying this was the reason Stoner arrived 3rd instead of 1st -- I say it may have costed him a few tenths, not more. Certainly the 8 seconds were not originated here.

Ah, Kesh, Kesh... it's not my fault if you are mostly wrong... but feel free to blame the Italians, we don't care!

Having been a working photographer for 15 years and possessing a better than average understanding of how

long lenses used for this kind of filming can distort things to appear much different to the viewer than they do

in real life (as anyone whose been to Laguna and walked the corkscrew can attest) I would trust Stoner's

view of incident over that of yours which has been gleaned by way of tiny, relatively fuzzy video images

on a computer screen. Next you'll be claiming to have x-ray eyes ala Babel.. or was it Lex?

The number of momentary tenths or seconds lost is not so much the issue as as loss of concentration

and loss of rhythm. Spies had one bad moment early on and struggled to regain position through the

remainder of the race - tho I suspect his problems were much compounded by poor set-up.

Nino · May 1, 2011

Talpa said:
Yes they are rather quiet at present aren't they...........

I actually found the race ok, Pedders proved how good he can be by smashing the previously unbeaten Lorenzo at Estoril, not to mention really smashing his supremely gifted new teamate, who prepared the excuses mid race, funny he spent a lot of time touching his ... this weekend

Blaming sic for his loss was amongst the worst excuses I've ever heard, Sic was gone in the first Split! And Stoner was only around a second back from Jorge, less than a second to pedders at that point.......funny how 7-8 more seconds were added in the following 27 laps

Once again as I've said it before Pedders has a great shot at the title this year, and it is great to see him silence the boners without no ........ words or flailing arms or a shaking head, or patting his arse.

Pedders didn't flinch until he'd won, very gutsy and determined. Lorenzo was also once again impressive, maybe the Honda made the difference, but he did also say that he didn't expect Dani to run the extra pace at the end of the race.

Rossi was a little robbed by Dovi, funny how this exact thing has happened to him before at this Track! With the same margin! But I'm sure he was very happy after qualifying and to be leagues ahead of any other Ducati, and greatly improved on anything previous in the dry. Dovi rode very well and proved to be quite clever, however his 'Factory' status isn't looking good.......

For sure Pedrosa looked very strong today. He must have had a some stiffness in his neck and arms by the end of the race but showed serious pace in the final few laps. It could be a straight shootout between him and Lorenzo for the title.

Feel sorry for Simoncelli, he's been really fast so far but needs to cut the errors. Spies has had a slow start too.

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to seeing if Ducati's new chassis' can add anything. They're about four tenths down from Honda at the moment, but certainly the heavier crankshaft in the engine should make some difference, after that it's down to the riders.

michaelm · May 1, 2011

Great ride by pedrosa, the first time he has won that I can recall in the premier class other than by disappearing in the lead.

I am very happy from the stoner point of view after his or his championship's near death experience in the first corner. The championship is obviously going to be at least a 3 way battle now, which means he has a chance to win it if he is good enough and honda don't make an early decision to back pedrosa over him. My concern with the jerez incident was that lorenzo was going to ride like rossi in 2008, and that stoner would need to win to take points back from him.

Dani had the pace on stoner all week-end and in the race, obviously achieved a better set-up etc. This is not a track which has ever been good for stoner as barry said before the race, so I don't think this necessarily presages season long dominance. Jorge will be worried as this is his very best track and one of the tightest which presumably plays to the strengths of the yamaha, so it is possible that he just doesn't have enough bike this year; I hope not both for stoner's championship bid as above with his undeserved deficit and for the racing in general.

L8Braker · May 1, 2011

Good on Pedro, he stalked his prey and pounced at the right moment!

michaelm · May 1, 2011

Talpa said:
Yes they are rather quiet at present aren't they...........

I actually found the race ok, Pedders proved how good he can be by smashing the previously unbeaten Lorenzo at Estoril, not to mention really smashing his supremely gifted new teamate, who prepared the excuses mid race, funny he spent a lot of time touching his ... this weekend

Blaming sic for his loss was amongst the worst excuses I've ever heard, Sic was gone in the first Split! And Stoner was only around a second back from Jorge, less than a second to pedders at that point.......funny how 7-8 more seconds were added in the following 27 laps

Once again as I've said it before Pedders has a great shot at the title this year, and it is great to see him silence the boners without no ........ words or flailing arms or a shaking head, or patting his arse.

Pedders didn't flinch until he'd won, very gutsy and determined. Lorenzo was also once again impressive, maybe the Honda made the difference, but he did also say that he didn't expect Dani to run the extra pace at the end of the race.

Rossi was a little robbed by Dovi, funny how this exact thing has happened to him before at this Track! With the same margin! But I'm sure he was very happy after qualifying and to be leagues ahead of any other Ducati, and greatly improved on anything previous in the dry. Dovi rode very well and proved to be quite clever, however his 'Factory' status isn't looking good.......

If I could be bothered I would look for your comments about stoner finishing off the podium early in the season last year; apparently finishing 4th or 5th is better if you are rossi.

I haven't seen any stoner fan not give full credit to pedrosa or say stoner would have won the race if circumstances had been different.

FTE217 · May 1, 2011

Talpa said:
Yes they are rather quiet at present aren't they...........

I actually found the race ok, Pedders proved how good he can be by smashing the previously unbeaten Lorenzo at Estoril, not to mention really smashing his supremely gifted new teamate, who prepared the excuses mid race, funny he spent a lot of time touching his ... this weekend

Blaming sic for his loss was amongst the worst excuses I've ever heard, Sic was gone in the first Split! And Stoner was only around a second back from Jorge, less than a second to pedders at that point.......funny how 7-8 more seconds were added in the following 27 laps

Once again as I've said it before Pedders has a great shot at the title this year, and it is great to see him silence the boners without no ........ words or flailing arms or a shaking head, or patting his arse.

Pedders didn't flinch until he'd won, very gutsy and determined. Lorenzo was also once again impressive, maybe the Honda made the difference, but he did also say that he didn't expect Dani to run the extra pace at the end of the race.

Rossi was a little robbed by Dovi, funny how this exact thing has happened to him before at this Track! With the same margin! But I'm sure he was very happy after qualifying and to be leagues ahead of any other Ducati, and greatly improved on anything previous in the dry. Dovi rode very well and proved to be quite clever, however his 'Factory' status isn't looking good.......

Yes VR is "happy" with his weekends results , I'm sure all they are happy about is getting points thats it - they can look back and say we were the quickest Duke now thats a yardstick to behold (he just as Boner was should be quickest all day everyday), finished way behind the top 2 add in top 3, then the pit discussion we were a "little robbed" at the finish line, yer I could just hear the race review whilst the podium was spraying the champers LOL........but hang on we were faster than last years race

but the pace setters were how much faster

Rootsman · May 1, 2011

The race was too processional for me tbh, but gotta give pedrosa credit he rode well.

I hope we get less processions with the 1000cc's next year.

Jumkie · May 1, 2011

bigbang said:
and Hayden in 9th, 54 secs behind the winner is not a disappointment?

Im not disappointed. In order for me to be disappointed, he'd have to underperform on competative machinary, at very least what Rossi is riding. Perhaps u believe he has the tools to compete, I dont. U can stick ur head in the sand and let me know what it tastes like. They should remove the number plate and put T1 and dispell with the ......... Rossi finished in exactly wher Nicky is capable of. In fact, the race ended for Rossi reminicent of Nicky all last year, being nipped by Dovi.

SuperShinya56 · May 1, 2011

I missed the race.

Did I hear you guys right? Midget Pedrosa actually did an over-take maneuver? Get outta here !!

Spies need to step up...... no more excuses.

lad · May 1, 2011

awesome ride by Pedro who went under the knife only a couple of weeks ago on HIS shoulder, and props to Crutchlow who was having his forearms drained of fluid after every session he's really impressing me

BarryMachine · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
And anyway Sic is being a bit too fast

It would appear that you are right on this one, Simoncelli is too fast.

I don't get what you see in him ? You do seem to greatly overrate him. I'm guessing you are Italian?

Though I think Lorenzo and Stoner have him figured ........ he's a danger at times.

Mind you I don't like seeing them lay into him cos he seems like he wants to be liked as well as race. Just has a few things to sort out I guess to get this happening.

I also agree with Lorenzo's comments ............ "this isn't minibikes" etc.

Talpa · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Last year's race was the slowest in years because of temperature and humidity (although it was classified as a dry race).

Interesting to compare with earlier years though.

In the 800 era, Rossi and Stoner had the following results at Estoril

Class./ # / Bike / avg. speed / Gap from 1st /

ROSSI

2011

5 46 Ducati 152.3 +16.555

2010

2 46 Yamaha 151.3 +8.629

2009

4 46 Yamaha 152.8 +23.428

2008

3 46 Yamaha 152.4 +12.723

2007

1 46 Yamaha 153.3 +0 (45'49.911)

It's curious that 2007 was the fastest year for Rossi with an 800, and his last victory at Estoril. He could never replicate that speed in the following years. Stoner improved in 2009 (the fastest year on this track) but not him. In 2007 and 2009 Stoner on the Ducati was faster that this year on the Honda; Rossi has always been faster with the Yamaha, with the exception of 2010.

Tyres/Engine rule

A nasty combo of Bridgestones lack of development, or even going backward, and the 6 engines rule.

At some circuits in 2007 Rossi and Michelin, Pedders and Michelin were still untouchable. Estoril being one of the very few......

rossiofsky · May 1, 2011

Nino said:
Did Stoner have a dig at Simoncelli post-race? If he did, it sounds like he's piggybacking Lorenzo's little movement and trying to distract people from the fact that his team mate was much quicker than him when he started going flat out.

Your absolutely right, I just finished rewatching the race and the PC, He was returning the favor to his mate for his comments and the support act about the marshals in Jerez, with that comment Casey took the golden award as the drama queen of this week, the silver goes to Lorenzo for his comments about side show bob.

The only wrong thing Sic did to Stoner was the nice and clean overtaking round the outside, i had never seen anyone doing that to Stoner, after that once they both had a little shake at the same time, on their own, and a bit further Sic crashed. For that crash Stoner lost a few tenths or a second at most, but his complain was about the move.

SuperShinya56 · May 1, 2011

Jumkie said:
Im not disappointed. In order for me to be disappointed, he'd have to underperform on competative machinary, at very least what Rossi is riding. Perhaps u believe he has the tools to compete, I dont. U can stick ur head in the sand and let me know what it tastes like. They should remove the number plate and put T1 and dispell with the ......... Rossi finished in exactly wher Nicky is capable of. In fact, the race ended for Rossi reminicent of Nicky all last year, being nipped by Dovi.

Hayden sucks.... simple as that. Quit the ........ about him not getting the same equipment as his teammate, it's getting old.

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