Estoril 2011 Race

Keshav · May 1, 2011

cliché guevara said:
i thought pedders and stoner came very very close at the start

funny how we almost got a replay of doohans and crivilles double highside, luckily both stayed on their bikes

sic is on his way to hurt himself the way he pushes all the time...

the ducatis had the best topspeed ? how bitter that dovi still was able to get past at the very last second..

back to 125cc...

Naw... he's too dumb to get injured.

J4rn0 · May 1, 2011

Silent Pedrosa silences all the big mouths.

No words -- facts. Great race Pedro!

Pinky · May 1, 2011

sic went around the outside closed the door on stoner when he was behind... stupid move.... could of gave some room, but no, just shut the door

Pigeon · May 1, 2011

hmm it continues to be a 2 manafacture snorefeest well done Dani

i dont know how i stuck that crap out and watched it all

thank fook the Italian SBK is LIVE ON Motors-TV...and i'm recording it.

some real fairing bashing on the Monza straights to watch l8tr

dwoodhouse · May 1, 2011

"agreed, i'm glad he gets better on the duc. but please, if there is a shoulder injury that is relevant ,then it is the race winners"

Agreed, my reference to shoulder for rossi was saying it's pretty much not a factor anymore.

Keshav · May 1, 2011

Renjith said:
Ha ha just fishing...

But Sic didn't have anything to do with Stoner's wobble in the 1st corner. I saw it in the replay and the commentators also mentioned that - both had a wobble at the exact same time which made it look like Stoner was touched by Sic.

Anyway, he didn't have the pace to run with Pedro and JL. So I don't think it made any diff anyway

Mmmm... respectfully disagree Bhai. Stoner stated categorically that Brillo-Boy's screw-up threw off his start

and caused the gap. Don't know if that was because he had to break to avoid etc. but Stoner definitely laid

blame with Simo.

Regarding pace... he was doing identical lap times to the front runners throughout most of the race.

FTE217 · May 1, 2011

Perfect race by Pedbot - shows how close at race speed JL Ped and CS are as CS couldn't bridge the gap,apart from the early spills quite a sedate race, maybe the prefference was the sledgeing before the race......the duke is way off the pace imo but I'm sure others will say otherwise ?

Haha what will JL say to Simoncelli next LOL.....

Keshav · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Silent Pedrosa silences all the big mouths.

No words -- facts. Great race Pedro!

Agree - he did the job. If he can stay injury free - he'll keep it interesting.

I hate to do the "what if" but I'm sure this would have been a three-way

with Stoner up there were it not for The Flying Simoncellis Three Ring Paisan Circus.

bigbang · May 1, 2011

woody996 said:
Agreed, my reference to shoulder for rossi was saying it's pretty much not a factor anymore.

If I understood him correctly (my understand of italian is far from perfect) Rossi said on Italian TV that he still misses 15% of strength in his shoulder.

J4rn0 · May 1, 2011

Keshav said:
Mmmm... respectfully disagree Bhai. Stoner stated categorically that Brillo-Boy's screw-up threw off his start

and caused the gap. Don't know if that was because he had to break to avoid etc. but Stoner definitely laid

blame with Simo.

Regarding pace... he was doing identical lap times to the front runners throughout most of the race.

Sic did not have anything to do with Stoner's wobble in the 1st corner... that was a cold tire. Same kind of cold tire that threw Sic in the gravel at corner 4, at the very first left bend. Of course that caused Stoner to slow down for a second as it happened in front of him.

I thought Sic had opened up too early when I saw it, but then he said that he didn't -- that in fact he was in second gear and with zero throttle (it's a first gear corner). These tires are pretty tricky when cold, and Stoner also knows that.

Feel free to blame Sic for all the crashes in Moto2 as well... And maybe for climate change because of his air that interferes with the Amazon forest

renjith_varma · May 1, 2011

Keshav said:
Mmmm... respectfully disagree Bhai. Stoner stated categorically that Brillo-Boy's screw-up threw off his start

and caused the gap. Don't know if that was because he had to break to avoid etc. but Stoner definitely laid

blame with Simo.

Regarding pace... he was doing identical lap times to the front runners throughout most of the race.

You are WRONG there ..

After the first lap Stoner was 1.1 secs behind Dani. Then onwards, he was a tenth or two-tenths down on the front duo's pace. How else, do you explain the gap building up to 4 secs before the 'back problem'?

I am attaching the lap times for DP and CS. Have a look at it

Excluding the last lap, Stoner was faster than Dani only in 4/27 laps and even then he could pull only a few hundreds in those laps. Stoner simply didn't have the pace today

bigbang · May 1, 2011

Elias is ahead of Simoncelli and Spies in the championship

renjith_varma · May 1, 2011

bigbang said:
Elias is ahead of Simoncelli and Spies in the championship

Spies disappointed again. I guess the pressure of being in the factory team is getting to him?

J4rn0 · May 1, 2011

woody996 said:
True but Rossi was 10 secs ahead of jorge's race winning time last year meaning he is doing ok, the other manufacturers have improved more though so a lot of work to do.

So stoner just received a lesson from an injured team mate and then pulled out every excuse he could think of - back, simoncelli, gap just too large (1 sec at the time).

Pedrosa was outstanding. I believed he was injured at the start of the year but some said it was all in his head.

Spies is really struggling with the factory yamaha. Not sure why he finds that so much harder after doing so well on the satellite bike.

Those Hondas are strong.

Last year's race was the slowest in years because of temperature and humidity (although it was classified as a dry race).

Interesting to compare with earlier years though.

In the 800 era, Rossi and Stoner had the following results at Estoril

Class./ # / Bike / avg. speed / Gap from 1st /

ROSSI

2011

5 46 Ducati 152.3 +16.555

2010

2 46 Yamaha 151.3 +8.629

2009

4 46 Yamaha 152.8 +23.428

2008

3 46 Yamaha 152.4 +12.723

2007

1 46 Yamaha 153.3 +0 (45'49.911)

STONER

2011

3 27 Honda 152.8 +7.658

2010

NC 27 Ducati 147.0 only 24 Laps

2009

2 27 Ducati 153.7 +6.294

2008

6 1 Ducati 151.6 +26.688

2007

3 27 Ducati 153.2 +1.477

It's curious that 2007 was the fastest year for Rossi with an 800, and his last victory at Estoril. He could never replicate that speed in the following years. Stoner improved in 2009 (the fastest year on this track) but not him. In 2007 and 2009 Stoner on the Ducati was faster that this year on the Honda; Rossi has always been faster with the Yamaha, with the exception of 2010.

baturro · May 1, 2011

Great race by Pedrosa! Played it smart, knew his limits and when it was possible for him to push. If he would have tried a disappearing act as he usualy does, it may have been much harder on his shoulder. I think he let Lorenzo cut through the air to lessen the force on himself. It may have been a "borring, processional race," but watching it in Spain makes it much better.

Keshav · May 1, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Sic did not have anything to do with Stoner's wobble in the 1st corner... that was a cold tire. Same kind of cold tire that threw Sic in the gravel at corner 4, at the very first left bend. Of course that caused Stoner to slow down for a second as it happened in front of him.

I thought Sic had opened up too early when I saw it, but then he said that he didn't -- that in fact he was in second gear and with zero throttle (it's a first gear corner). These tires are pretty tricky when cold, and Stoner also knows that.

Feel free to blame Sic for all the crashes in Moto2 as well... And maybe for climate change because of his air that interferes with the Amazon forest

Since neither of us were there on the track in-person, I'm going to go with the opinion of the guy who was.

Keshav · May 1, 2011

Renjith said:
Spies disappointed again. I guess the pressure of being in the factory team is getting to him?

He'd been complaining (quietly to journos) that he'd been having front end issues all weekend.

Spies is pressure-proof. If the crew can get the bike working properly he'll be back to form.

povol · May 1, 2011

Sic may have made Stoner flinch, but he was not the reason for Stoners finish, he simply did not have the pace. Nice race by Pedro, kept waiting for the fade and the opposite happened. Enough about Rossi's shoulder, in the 2 dry races this year, he has finished 16+ seconds behind the winner. At Qatar, he says his shoulder was 70%, now its 85% or whatever figure he comes up with. Earlier this weekend, he said the shoulder is not a problem. After qualifying and the race, it is. He is using the shoulder to one, protect his reputation as the GOAT, and two, to protect Ducati. It has to be embarrassing that he cannot come close to being competitive on a bike that Stoner won with consistently . It will be interesting to see how long it takes before he turns on Ducati. Spies, WTF.

Congrats Pedro

That was hard to say

renjith_varma · May 1, 2011

Keshav said:
Since neither of us were there on the track in-person, I'm going to go with the opinion of the guy who was.

So this time you're sure he is not dreaming it up like the FP2 towing incident

Keshav · May 1, 2011

Renjith said:
You are WRONG there ..

After the first lap Stoner was 1.1 secs behind Dani. Then onwards, he was a tenth or two-tenths down on the front duo's pace. How else, do you explain the gap building up to 4 secs before the 'back problem'?

I am attaching the lap times for DP and CS. Have a look at it

Excluding the last lap, Stoner was faster than Dani only in 4/27 laps and even then he could pull only a few hundreds in those laps. Stoner simply didn't have the pace today

The gap was very very obviously due to being balked by Simoncelli at the beginning. Watch the race again.

Nick Harris and Gavin Emmet commented numerous times that his lap times were almost identical during

the last third of the race. He was undoubted unnerved at the prospect of being taken out two races in a row

by yet another out-of-control Italian.

By the time he'd regained his rhythm it was too late.

Factoid: Bowling was invented by the Egyptians.

But perfected by the Italians.

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