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Ducati going to V-engine

Given that every rider who's failed to be competitive on the last 4 iterations of the Ducati have consistently complained about

the way the front end goes away with no warning - I don't know how you can possibly think that. And given some of the

tortured excuses for logic you have foisted upon us all over the years - I don't really care to hear your explanation - which

of course - won't stop you from offering it here. Go for it Baz.



Given ....... WTF!! are you on drugs again Kesh!!?? HowTF does this sentence discount what I have said ........ howTF does it discount anything!? Does your sentence actually have a subject? I think you needed to get off the drugs about 40 years ago
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Given that every rider who's failed to be competitive on the last 4 iterations of the Ducati have consistently complained about

the way the front end goes away with no warning - I don't know how you can possibly think that. And given some of the

tortured excuses for logic you have foisted upon us all over the years - I don't really care to hear your explanation - which

of course - won't stop you from offering it here. Go for it Baz.



Funnily enough Kesh, Rossi himself described each moment before he would lose the front end on the Ducati as "the ....... vibration".....there is obviously some funky resonance going on in that concotion of CF and aluminium that so far NO ONE has been able to explain.



The fact of the matter is that they still dont actually know where the problem lies - which makes finding a solution nearly impossible....once they work out the reason why the front end folds without warning they can start to look for a cure.
 
Winning is more exhilarating than "autistic" expression.

I'm not excactly sure what that means,but in a dreamworld of mine with more freedom for engineers and nonlasting tires as the only thing slowing the bikes down.With some actual difference between the bikes like in 06.I guess the days of,best of both worlds,with Loris 06 is way gone.

Now it's about who can fit best to Bridgestones with best precision.So everyone is homeing in on that tiny target and will be excactly the same in the end.
 
I'm not excactly sure what that means,but in a dreamworld of mine with more freedom for engineers and nonlasting tires as the only thing slowing the bikes down.With some actual difference between the bikes like in 06.I guess the days of,best of both worlds,with Loris 06 is way gone.

Now it's about who can fit best to Bridgestones with best precision.So everyone is homeing in on that tiny target and will be excactly the same in the end.



Careful what you wish for next time Valentino
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With Loris being a long time Ducati rider and with him already making suggestions about the direction he would like to see Bridgestone take with these new tires (softer compound that is able to warm up quicker)....does anyone believe the Ducati wont be the largest beneficiary of these new tire compounds.



The entire purpose of bringing in a control tire was to level the playing field....it seems to me that yet again when someone other than the golden goose is winning the playing field suddenly skews in his favour the following year.....or is this just another coincidence?
 
when will the official riders be allowed to test the bikes? I know sepang at the end of this month is the first official one..but i mean they lifted the testing bans..so when can they start using the 240 tires allocated to them?
 
Careful what you wish for next time Valentino
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With Loris being a long time Ducati rider and with him already making suggestions about the direction he would like to see Bridgestone take with these new tires (softer compound that is able to warm up quicker)....does anyone believe the Ducati wont be the largest beneficiary of these new tire compounds.



The entire purpose of bringing in a control tire was to level the playing field....it seems to me that yet again when someone other than the golden goose is winning the playing field suddenly skews in his favour the following year.....or is this just another coincidence?

No coincidence as I see it.Motogp needs sponsors,and the clearest,easiest way to sell motogp is to have Valentino on the podium every week i guess.

The main thing with the softer tires I think is that Stoner above all will be slowed down.Maybe Lorenzo too.Hopefully Stoner rides around that problem too.
 
I believe Stoner will get around the problem when the tires change, he's proven he can ride a broom stick with wagon wheels if asked.
 
No coincidence as I see it.Motogp needs sponsors,and the clearest,easiest way to sell motogp is to have Valentino on the podium every week i guess.

The main thing with the softer tires I think is that Stoner above all will be slowed down.Maybe Lorenzo too.Hopefully Stoner rides around that problem too.

And you dont have a problem with molding rules to ensure the competitiveness of one particular rider.
 
No coincidence as I see it.Motogp needs sponsors,and the clearest,easiest way to sell motogp is to have Valentino on the podium every week i guess.

The main thing with the softer tires I think is that Stoner above all will be slowed down.Maybe Lorenzo too.Hopefully Stoner rides around that problem too.

The very reason there is a lack of sponsors is because MotoGP is about ENSURING that Rossi is on the podium. No-one will sponsor a sport when only one competitor is allowed to win. Rossi/Ducati are not lacking sponsorship it is the rest of the competitors/teams that have the problem.
 
The very reason there is a lack of sponsors is because MotoGP is about ENSURING that Rossi is on the podium. No-one will sponsor a sport when only one competitor is allowed to win. Rossi/Ducati are not lacking sponsorship it is the rest of the competitors/teams that have the problem.

I hope you are right and I'm wrong about that ofcourse.I have understood Ducati don't have a problem with sponsors,and Honda too.In that case it's Honda and Ducati them selves that in a way is making it difficult for other sponsors by not wanting limits on electronics and so on.

I just thought Motogp compared to other motorsports had a hard time getting sponsors.I just would make a wild guess that when explaining what motogp is for the masses,they would say,oh it's that sport with Valentino Rossi in it.

I don't have a big knowledge about this,I was taking a guess.

And as I said,ofcourse I hope i'm wrong.
 
The very reason there is a lack of sponsors is because MotoGP is about ENSURING that Rossi is on the podium. No-one will sponsor a sport when only one competitor is allowed to win. Rossi/Ducati are not lacking sponsorship it is the rest of the competitors/teams that have the problem.



Or maybe, just maybe, it's because MotoGP is a niche sport.



Nah, that's crazy talk.....
 
Or maybe, just maybe, it's because MotoGP is a niche sport.



Nah, that's crazy talk.....



It is a niche sport:





It is marketed at a small audience - Spanish and Italians

It draws its talent from a small market - Spain and Italy

It races in a very small selection of countries and more than half of its races are in 3 countries.

It manipulates its rules for a very small percentage of its competitors.

Its fanatical audience all rallies behind one rider.



None of that has anything to do with MotoGP being Motorcycle Racing.



All of it has to do with the fact that there has been nothing in the last decade that you could call global thinking when it comes to MotoGP.
 
It is a niche sport:





It is marketed at a small audience - Spanish and Italians

It draws its talent from a small market - Spain and Italy

It races in a very small selection of countries and more than half of its races are in 3 countries.

It manipulates its rules for a very small percentage of its competitors.

Its fanatical audience all rallies behind one rider.



None of that has anything to do with MotoGP being Motorcycle Racing.



All of it has to do with the fact that there has been nothing in the last decade that you could call global thinking when it comes to MotoGP.

I tend to agree, but don't see that any blame attaches to valentino; most of the rest of motogp has been lazy and contented themselves with hitching a ride on the gravy train that is valentino. I don't believe much manipulation of events was involved with most of his success either. Ironically the occasion when some backroom dealings may have occurred, with the bridgestone saga, would now appear to have backfired.
 
Maybe the new bike has only the Desmo system left,everything else-gone.No tradition-keeping and brandprotection "holding them back".I get the feeling there was someone in the company always wanting to keep it a Ducati so to speak.

Now that everyone in the whole world screams at the company -Rossi has to win!!! That ,someone,finally gave Preziosi completely free hands.Engine tilted back like the Panigale,narrower angle,or whatever works best,and ofcourse the outsourced aluminium frame.I'm almost sure Preziosi would liked to have started over from scratch some time ago.No L-twin or L-v4,perhaps the desmosystem is good enough,but,only think about laptimes and not what kind of company you represent.



In other words,the new bike could be a japanese bike with desmosystem.BOOOORING! But what else to do?

As others here and elsewhere have said, I can't see that changing the angle of their V4 motogp engine would be a major backdown for ducati, or a renunciation of their heritage. For much of the history of premier class bike racing, including the era I and quite a few others particularly revere, the formula was for 500 2-strokes with little to do with street bikes. Motogp become do-able for ducati when it went 4 stroke, apparently because they could put 2 of their traditional V-twins together. I can't see how they are bound to stick with a configuration to which they were constrained by the resources available to them, when those with more resources, particularly honda, have built basically whatever they saw fit to engineer, including a V5 990 bike. The traditional ducati V-twin doesn't seem to be a problem in their street bikes and WSBK conveyances, and if 2 of them joined doesn't work ideally as a motogp engine, so what? Their only production device with any kind of V4 was the very limited edition cash in on the 2007 championship desmosedici thing anyway.



As a long term ducati fan I will find it more of a wrench them going to a conventional aluminium chassis as seems likely, and even more if they were to abandon the desmo valves.
 
to me a ducati is a red bike with desmo valves ,the unique rattling clutch and a L2.

since they never raced a testretta or whatever , who cares about which v4 configuration they use, they never built a proper v4 road bike
 
I tend to agree, but don't see that any blame attaches to valentino; most of the rest of motogp has been lazy and contented themselves with hitching a ride on the gravy train that is valentino. I don't believe much manipulation of events was involved with most of his success either. Ironically the occasion when some backroom dealings may have occurred, with the bridgestone saga, would now appear to have backfired.

I agree that Rossi is not to blame for Dorna milking him for a decade. You can hardly blame him either for using the power that Dorna gave him as the Golden egg laying Goose.



I can not agree however that his success was not assisted by his placement at the centre of the Dorna Marketing Plan.



The same applies now. It has largely been glossed over that 2 significant changes to the sport have come about at an opportune time to assist Rossi with his issues. 1) Change to testing rules, and 2) Changes to the construction of the Bridgestone. In my view any success gained next season by Rossi will be tainted by the tide once again been swung around to try to move him to the front.
 
I agree that Rossi is not to blame for Dorna milking him for a decade. You can hardly blame him either for using the power that Dorna gave him as the Golden egg laying Goose.



I can not agree however that his success was not assisted by his placement at the centre of the Dorna Marketing Plan.



The same applies now. It has largely been glossed over that 2 significant changes to the sport have come about at an opportune time to assist Rossi with his issues. 1) Change to testing rules, and 2) Changes to the construction of the Bridgestone. In my view any success gained next season by Rossi will be tainted by the tide once again been swung around to try to move him to the front.

I agree.I was going to try to write something something similar.Rossi is going to close the gap to Stoner and Lorenzo this year i'm sure.But that is going to be alot because of the testingrule and above all the tires.Not sure all the media will put it like that though,and maybe not even himself.Eventhough he knows better than anyone.
 
As others here and elsewhere have said, I can't see that changing the angle of their V4 motogp engine would be a major backdown for ducati, or a renunciation of their heritage. For much of the history of premier class bike racing, including the era I and quite a few others particularly revere, the formula was for 500 2-strokes with little to do with street bikes. Motogp become do-able for ducati when it went 4 stroke, apparently because they could put 2 of their traditional V-twins together. I can't see how they are bound to stick with a configuration to which they were constrained by the resources available to them, when those with more resources, particularly honda, have built basically whatever they saw fit to engineer, including a V5 990 bike. The traditional ducati V-twin doesn't seem to be a problem in their street bikes and WSBK conveyances, and if 2 of them joined doesn't work ideally as a motogp engine, so what? Their only production device with any kind of V4 was the very limited edition cash in on the 2007 championship desmosedici thing anyway.



As a long term ducati fan I will find it more of a wrench them going to a conventional aluminium chassis as seems likely, and even more so if they were to abandon the desmo valves.

Maybe I was exaggurating bit about keeping it a Ducati.I'm a huge fan of Ducati,but as said,they don't have that much in common with the roadbikes anyway,but it would be nice to have clear difference between the bikes.Make the rules open for Honda V5 for instance and such.
 
I agree that Rossi is not to blame for Dorna milking him for a decade. You can hardly blame him either for using the power that Dorna gave him as the Golden egg laying Goose.



I can not agree however that his success was not assisted by his placement at the centre of the Dorna Marketing Plan.



The same applies now. It has largely been glossed over that 2 significant changes to the sport have come about at an opportune time to assist Rossi with his issues. 1) Change to testing rules, and 2) Changes to the construction of the Bridgestone. In my view any success gained next season by Rossi will be tainted by the tide once again been swung around to try to move him to the front.



I'm not sure what to make of the extended testing allowance but to blame Rossi for the change in tyre construction is ridiculous. Did you watch any of the races last year? Even Casey has said in the past that they take too long to get to temperature...
 

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