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I look at it a bit differently Dubs and count mental intensity as a component of the talent that one possesses so I don't go 20/80 as to me, 100% of the talent is the physical and mental but without the mental capabilities the physical will not achieve as much as they perhaps could.
The final separator though is mental and in many ways explains why so many of the truly elite have those people who wish to seek fault in aspects of their life or career as that level of mental intensity is something that is difficult to describe or experience unless you are involved and when looked at from the outside, seems abnormal to the average person.
To put some perspective I will relate a few memes that were doing the rounds at the recent Olympics, that being 'to give perspective on these athletes we should have one average joe compete against them to show how good these guys/girls are'.
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I hope he does. If Marc wins the title in Japan then there is no risk for anyone.
Check the youtube clips for the TB Classic then Dubs ........... the guy is an animal.
Or check for any clips from last years Postie Bike GP at Cessnock, won by TB
Westy also did one of the TB Classics from memory but we hear little of McCoy now days which I think is a massive shame as he was under-rated and seems all to forgotten (IMO)
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the most important mental part that makes the equation so high to me is confidence. We see riders lose confidence all the time. We've all felt the loss of confidence.
Its not people seeing faults in stars a much as people breaking down what makes them tick, thats the price of stardom. You guys have no problem breaking down Rossi to see why he ticks. Is it because you think it doesn't bother him? It does, he just handles it different. I have no problem with pointing out the faults in Rossi or any other rider. Its part of the job.
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unda cheese
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Without Dorna's interference and fanagling of tires,Stoner romps to victory in 08 and 12. Without the Bridgestones who knows what the Yamaha would have been in 09 and 10 either. I have no doubt Stoner would have contended those titles as well.
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unda cheese
Too many gold diggers. Though not as many as Cali. I heard there's more and more moving out there every day
But without intensity confidence generally does not occur as it is the intensity that allows the athlete to push to levels that confidence alone may not have allowed previously, thus the intensity breeds greater confidence by what it allows.
I don't break Rossi down ......... suggest you check back ....... but I stand by that people (fans if you like) will try to break down the riders against their own (the peoples) beliefs, desires, wants and jealousies if they are in play.
You could say it is to try to work out how that athlete ticks but in many cases I feel that people do it to feel better about themselves, to try to normalise the athlete against the person doing the normalising type of thing
With Rossi, I do not like his personality based purely on my observations dating back to the late 90's and as the result of stories told to me directly by people involved in (then) Grands Prix who have had direct contact with Rossi or team Rossi (and I have always stated this from day 1). As a rider I will not try to discredit him as I have always stated that he has 9 titles and no matter how hard people may try to discredit some of the titles, he can only race those that are placed against him and that he has done and beaten them.
I have also quite clearly stated that yes I do believe that DORNA do definitely (IMO) give Rossi greater consideration to others as he is their money ticket, golden goose if you will and as such he gets allowances or benefits that may not be available to others. But, I have also gone to length to make it clear that as the benefits are available then he should milk them purely because at this level, if things are afforded you then it is not your concern that others are not given the same benefits. My issues there are all DORNA related for putting their eggs in one basket and thus concentrating the power in a small area whereas by putting the eggs into a few baskets, the power stays with DORNA.
I think I can speak for Gaz and myself at least in saying that what we criticise Rossi for is his personality/being a manipulative prick, in my case active dislike for him rather than just for an element among his fandom being of recent onset, around 12 months ago. Neither of us seek to deny his achievements or fail to recognise them.
What you do on the basis of ........ cod pyschology is to seek to diminish the achievements of a rider which, while obviously rather less than Rossi's, still include riding 2 of the greatest seasons in the history of GP bike racing to win 2 premier class titles. Less than a dozen riders have won more premier class titles than Stoner, and only 4 riders more premier class races, to which I don't see your BMX experience, whether it is amateur or even professional, as very relevant.
I am particularly amused by anonymous posters who think their background of competition in a different sport, or even the same sport at a much lower level, gives them the right/a sufficiently august self-assessed status to adversely assess competitors of Stoner's calibre. I have ridden this rodeo before, on another forum with a Frenchman who obsessively hated Jorge Lorenzo and considered his own background as a motor cycle courier in central London and in French club racing in the 70s qualified him to trenchantly adversely critique Jorge Lorenzo's riding style.
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True.
Re Stoner Australian GP wild card. Application deadline is 45 days before the race, which has just passed. No application has been made
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Norah Head
It really doesnt matter if Stoner races PI or not. What we see as the winner these days is really just second place ....... it is assumed Stoner would have won or indeed has won.
Pity. One assumes Ducati would be a lot less amenable to wild cards next year when they have Lorenzo on the same bike.
I was hoping to see him up against Marquez in a last hurrah at Philip Island. I guess we aren't going to see Stoner race ever again.
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Would have been great to see him at the island again. He was unstoppable when he rode there.
I remember when he rode that white GP9 there and nobody could touch him, would've been a good contest with him and Marquez.
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I don't get this. This seems to be the common belief among stoner supporters. I am aware that I quoted provol and Barry basically polar opposite. But my point is Stoner fans seem to think that he could win every race if he was still around, and if he doesn't then there must be some conspiracy or dorna rules that made it so. I could say the about Marc and any race he lost but that just not how racing works. Rules change riders adapt. Part of racing is riding in changing conditions and sometimes those conditions are rules.
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Queensland Australia
I can appreciate his talent and he certainly wouldn't win every race but would certainly be riding at the pointy end of the field. He would be a safe bet if he rode at Pi though, he was always strong at his home track. I don't tend to believe in the conspiracy theories that get thrown around. I also stopped believing in Santa and unicorns a long time ago.
I think Stoner is a great rider, much like MM, JL and VR are great riders. I get that people have rider they like and others they dislike butI don't see the point of why people hate on riders, but each to their own i guess.
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