DORNA at it again.

I know I say this too often<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100% BUT

If you slow these bikes down then the super bikes, which are only a second or two behind will snap up sponsors and fans and motogp will be matter of the last one out closing the door.

I pose two problems.

1. What if you slow them down and Casey still wins. I read and will not cite the exact comment but there is a reference to the domination of the Ducati. Marco, Toni and Sylvian agree with you, it is very (inversely) dominant. If the fans/industry (whoever is the judge of collaborative and collective consensus and opinion) put together an agreed format and it ran, and Casey on a factory bike won as often as he does now would it be considered successful? I dare say - no.

2. Changing the format every time the fans drop the bundle over racing is going to be more expensive and force more teams out. Do you think Kawasaki or even Suzuki will weather another total change in specification?

What evil good can be...

WSB: I think it's pretty clear that FIM will have to be involved and probably force similar rules on SBK.

Stoner: Well, that depends on the other half of the races, those he doesn't win. If they show the promise of close racing I would certainly consider it a success.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 2 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. What if you slow them down and Casey still wins. I read and will not cite the exact comment but there is a reference to the domination of the Ducati. Marco, Toni and Sylvian agree with you, it is very (inversely) dominant. If the fans/industry (whoever is the judge of collaborative and collective consensus and opinion) put together an agreed format and it ran, and Casey on a factory bike won as often as he does now would it be considered successful? I dare say - no.

that may well be the case.. the Ducati top speed would still be there with a spec ecu.

in the past when it wasn't about electronics, Ducati was not a contender in motogp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 4 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that may well be the case.. the Ducati top speed would still be there with a spec ecu.

in the past when it wasn't about electronics, Ducati was not a contender in motogp.

Neither was Bridgestone.
Stoner was not riding for them either.

Only one Ducati has been a contender for the past 2 seasons, but whatever helps you sleep at night you go with.

The whole season has ebbed and flowed from one rider to another. Lets let it pan out and see what happens. It's up to the teams trailing to find the speed to catch up and at some stage that will happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 4 2008, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that may well be the case.. the Ducati top speed would still be there with a spec ecu.

in the past when it wasn't about electronics, Ducati was not a contender in motogp.
there may have been some truth in this last year but i think this year the bikes are pretty even just better in different areas. all the top boys are tc'ed to .... now mate even rossi !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 4 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there may have been some truth in this last year but i think this year the bikes are pretty even just better in different areas. all the top boys are tc'ed to .... now mate even rossi !
Still doesn't mean the formula is any good although if there are more races like the last one we may have to change our tune. Even regardless of this and my personal allegiances the bikes are very expensive and the field is diminishing. Changing the formula radically again rather than trying to tweak it may be even worse from this point of view though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 4 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still doesn't mean the formula is any good although if there are more races like the last one we may have to change our tune. Even regardless of this and my personal allegiances the bikes are very expensive and the field is diminishing. Changing the formula radically again rather than trying to tweak it may be even worse from this point of view though.
a depleting field is my fear, these 4 stroke bikes are many times more expensive than the old strokers. that's one reason i was happy for the sport when ducati won a championship. i thought it may entice more manufacturers into the sport. it showed them that a smaller manufacturer could beat the big 4. but as yet no more have come in. i thought bmw were going to field a bike .

MotoGP is in quite the dilemma. The 800s have not proved any safer, it is suggested they cost more than the 990s, certainly far more than the 500s, these high costs are creating a barrier for new entrants and limiting current participants from producing any further machines and any change to the formula to reduce rider aids will likely see lap times fall below WSB and result in more money put into developing a bike for another formula. What do you do?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 4 2008, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGP is in quite the dilemma. The 800s have not proved any safer, it is suggested they cost more than the 990s, certainly far more than the 500s, these high costs are creating a barrier for new entrants and limiting current participants from producing any further machines and any change to the formula to reduce rider aids will likely see lap times fall below WSB and result in more money put into developing a bike for another formula. What do you do?
yeah. well done dorna you bunch of useless twats

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 4 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a depleting field is my fear, these 4 stroke bikes are many times more expensive than the old strokers. that's one reason i was happy for the sport when ducati won a championship. i thought it may entice more manufacturers into the sport. it showed them that a smaller manufacturer could beat the big 4. but as yet no more have come in. i thought bmw were going to field a bike .
There was talk of a BMW motogp bike and even a pic of a real version. I have a pic of it and I will try to put it up here if I can. BMW have a superbike that will be competing next year and have no aspirations of fielding a gp bike as of right now. But as many of you know that could change.4259:bmw3.jpg]

BMW make very fast engines but thats just one area of the bike... would they get the rest right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 4 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BMW make very fast engines but thats just one area of the bike... would they get the rest right?
Well look at it this way. BMW has a major presence in Formula 1 and has had success. Moto gp is somewhat like F1 in that it is highly contested and has much to do with the machines with the right pilots. Also development of parts brought to the team is crucial for a team to shave seconds off times to get to consistant lap times. BMW has had all of this before just with 4 wheels instead of 2. Now as BMW just released pics of the superbike and also signed Ruben Xaus for the 09 season they are starting in the right direction I think because their presence will be in the major consumer market where they can get a foothold before taking that leap into the darkness of MOTOGP. I would bet in a few years if not sooner you will hear of BMW selling their superbikes at a good pace and that they have made the decision to go a step further in the world racing arena and that next step will be moto gp!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 4 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you do?
that's a damn good question bro

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 5 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would bet in a few years if not sooner you will hear of BMW selling their superbikes at a good pace and that they have made the decision to go a step further in the world racing arena and that next step will be moto gp!!!

dont know about their profits from 07, but in 06 they were somewhere around $5.57 billion (don't know for sure), so $$ wouldn't seem to be an issue as it usually is, so maybe

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 5 2008, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BMW make very fast engines but thats just one area of the bike... would they get the rest right?

Huh, they have fooled me all the time?
I thought proiveing they CAN make a fast engine was exactly what they were going to do now, as I and every one I know thought BMW only made sedate touring bikes mainly for the well off touring fanatics in their 50's. Bike come with GPS, intercom, mobile phone mount, heated handles, sissy bar, heated seats, huge truncks, adjustable handles, ABS, TC, reverse, and speed block at 200km/h and you need a truck license to drive it as it is above 7.5 Tonn. But that's probably only prejustice from my part

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 5 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Huh, they have fooled me all the time?
I thought proiveing they CAN make a fast engine was exactly what they were going to do now, as I and every one I know thought BMW only made sedate touring bikes mainly for the well off touring fanatics in their 50's. Bike come with GPS, intercom, mobile phone mount, heated handles, sissy bar, heated seats, huge truncks, adjustable handles, ABS, TC, reverse, and speed block at 200km/h and you need a truck license to drive it as it is above 7.5 Tonn. But that's probably only prejustice from my part
They are releasing a new SBK for next year that if you have the money you can have it. I have read a few articles about them releasing the bike and what it is going to be and it isn't a majo departure from what is already out in the modern world of racing. They have binned the douleavers and all the fancy stuff as well as the boxer engine the are most known for instead they are using conventional racing wisdom by using regular forks and inline 4 motor and gody work that really looks like the present yamaha r6 but a bit changed. So far the pics if they are the real deal look good and we should see them up in the top ten if what they say is true for HP and all that jazz. My guess is that they are right now developing a GP machine much like the one in my above post cause that thing is amazing. They have the money the expertise and the ability to pretty much do what they want when they want. I think also with the words of the company Brass they are trying to shed the old man bikes image they have clung to for years. So if sbk is the first step toward a true racer and once there is a bit of solid establishment in the marketplace I think they will be easily lured into the arena. Don't you think they want to be the best also? Sbk is great don't get me wrong but MOTO GP is the greatest and EVERYONE knows it who knows bikes. The motorcycle industry is a billion dollar industry and it is getting bigger by the year. I am also hoping that once APRILIA gets thier RSV4 SBK out next year they won't be far off from coming back to MOTOGP. They won't have the 250's anymore!! hmmm.