Donington GP- practice and quali discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Monroe Doctrine.

Don't be mad.


Taken from Wiki.
The Monroe Doctrine is a U.S. doctrine which, on December 2, 1823, said that European powers were no longer to colonize or interfere with the affairs of the newly independent nations of the Americas. The United States planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and their colonies.

Whats that got to do with anything?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 21 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Morning Practise; Midsummers day Donington Park Leics. England, Sat 21/06/08...more like mid winter.
Jesus, it literally 104 degrees here in Los Angeles. How the hell do we have rain in the Brit GP every ....... year? Pay your sunshine bill mothatfuking cheapskates.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jesus, it literally 104 degrees here in Los Angeles. How the hell do we have rain in the Brit GP every ....... year? Pay your sunshine bill mothatfuking cheapskates.


Imagine what it's like ridin' our domestic championships...check out the opening round of BSB at Brands.

Much as I enjoyed today..believe me Jumkie, I would much rather be soaking up some rays on Topanga beach right now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ Jun 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Taken from Wiki.
The Monroe Doctrine is a U.S. doctrine which, on December 2, 1823, said that European powers were no longer to colonize or interfere with the affairs of the newly independent nations of the Americas. The United States planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and their colonies.

Whats that got to do with anything?

Absolutely eff all, in line with all his other contributions to this forum

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ Jun 21 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Taken from Wiki.
The Monroe Doctrine is a U.S. doctrine which, on December 2, 1823, said that European powers were no longer to colonize or interfere with the affairs of the newly independent nations of the Americas. The United States planned to stay neutral in wars between European powers and their colonies.

Whats that got to do with anything?


The connotative suggestion of The Monroe Doctrine was that the entire New World (America) was under the protection of the United States. In other words, we didn't feel like trying to organize this mess of a hemisphere, but the whole thing was ours nonetheless.

It goes hand-in-hand with Manifest Destiny, the Panama Canal project, the Bay of Pigs, The War on Drugs, colonization of Hawaii, etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 21 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I'd like to stay out of this topic thankyou Jumkie


You got into it when you posted that condescending question about how Americans might make excuses for Spies, remember? (Just reminding you before you go lumping me in with these forceful Texans). This is an extension of that same discussion buddy. My point was, don’t knock the US simply because some enthusiastic Texans are rooting for their boy.

But you made a good choice not to want to get into this discussion about Texas. You never know with these Texan boys, they love to start wars over nothing.

Back on topic, I wonder why there haven't been any posters rationalizing with circumstance and happenstance to explain why Spies 8th place qual really was NOT impressive. ...., if you take out Vermi and Westy's wet weather qual status (god knows they would have been way down the order in the dry) maybe Spies would have been higher--oh wait, now I'm sounding like the rationalization squad...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yaw is rotation around the vertical axis.

It is the ability to turn the front wheels and make the car rotate thus allowing it to go around bendy bits of road.

It is the same thing in motorcycles but to make the bike rotate you have to get it on its side so it doesn't flop over towards the outside of the turn.
Thanks! So it isn't the same as lean or leanangle then?
Please excuse my headthickness...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2008, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The connotative suggestion of The Monroe Doctrine was that the entire New World (America) was under the protection of the United States. In other words, we didn't feel like trying to organize this mess of a hemisphere, but the whole thing was ours nonetheless.

It goes hand-in-hand with Manifest Destiny, the Panama Canal project, the Bay of Pigs, The War on Drugs, colonization of Hawaii, etc.


Ok but that still dosen't answer my first question on whats the difference between saying /typing America and the USA

You just called it the United States and also put America in brackets

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 21 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jesus, it literally 104 degrees here in Los Angeles. How the hell do we have rain in the Brit GP every ....... year? Pay your sunshine bill mothatfuking cheapskates.

I was going to go for a ride but I don't want my bike to overheat and my tires to melt

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 21 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Back on topic, I wonder why there haven't been any posters rationalizing with circumstance and happenstance to explain why Spies 8th place qual really was NOT impressive. ...., if you take out Vermi and Westy's wet weather qual status (god knows they would have been way down the order in the dry) maybe Spies would have been higher--oh wait, now I'm sounding like the rationalization squad...

But Jum, had Pedrosa and Lorenzo been healthy then it would have evened itself out. And wait what if Hopkins was healthy too and JT hadn't crashed theres 2 mores places. SO really he ended up in 12th. But wait it was raining so he had an advantage there tack off 3 more places. Wow he would have started at back. To sum it up, really not that impressive.

Sarcasm can work wonders when you are calling someone out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jesus, it literally 104 degrees here in Los Angeles. How the hell do we have rain in the Brit GP every ....... year? Pay your sunshine bill mothatfuking cheapskates.
im going to ....... die

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ Jun 21 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok but that still dosen't answer my first question on whats the difference between saying /typing America and the USA

You just called it the United States and also put America in brackets
Get out while you still can. Just let it go man. Please, save us the bandwith.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 21 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im going to ....... die
Dude, a few years ago, it was so ....... hot at Laguna, that the track started to melt, no lie, look it up. But last year was good weather. Take plenty of sun block, I don't know how they rate them in the UK, but get one that says SPF 500000000. And take a light windbraker, yeah, it can be hot, but the breeze can be chilli. You'll be ok bro, no worries.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ Jun 21 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok but that still dosen't answer my first question on whats the difference between saying /typing America and the USA

You just called it the United States and also put America in brackets

Don't worry about it. Just call us whatever you like. It's all the same.

Just like the UK, Great Britain, and England, they're all the same too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yaw is rotation around the vertical axis.

It is the ability to turn the front wheels and make the car rotate thus allowing it to go around bendy bits of road. In my world thats done by the steering wheel
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It is the same thing in motorcycles but to make the bike rotate you have to get it on its side so it doesn't flop over towards the outside of the turn.

That didn't make any sense to me, at least not in our discussion. You have a very different view point of forces applied and that make it very hard for me to follow. You describe the bike turning: " that centripetal force at the front is on a different vector than centripetal force in the rear. "
Im too tired too even try to follow you. It doesn't mean you are wrong, just that you have a different reference point. Most people agree that by giving the front wheel a different direction than the bikes direction you force the bike to lean over and eventually turn, as the front wheel come back in "line". I use "line" as it now actually steers into the turn.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 21 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, a few years ago, it was so ....... hot at Laguna, that the track started to melt, no lie, look it up. But last year was good weather. Take plenty of sun block, I don't know how they rate them in the UK, but get one that says SPF 500000000. And take a light windbraker, yeah, it can be hot, but the breeze can be chilli. You'll be ok bro, no worries.

Pasty white Englishmen is going to have some fun with that. If anyone is going to melt this year, it will be Rog.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jun 21 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks! So it isn't the same as lean or leanangle then?
Please excuse my headthickness...

No. Lean angle is refered to as roll.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 22 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You got into it when you posted that condescending question about how Americans might make excuses for Spies, remember? (Just reminding you before you go lumping me in with these forceful Texans). This is an extension of that same discussion buddy. My point was, don’t knock the US simply because some enthusiastic Texans are rooting for their boy.

But you made a good choice not to want to get into this discussion about Texas. You never know with these Texan boys, they love to start wars over nothing.

Back on topic, I wonder why there haven't been any posters rationalizing with circumstance and happenstance to explain why Spies 8th place qual really was NOT impressive. ...., if you take out Vermi and Westy's wet weather qual status (god knows they would have been way down the order in the dry) maybe Spies would have been higher--oh wait, now I'm sounding like the rationalization squad...

Well, according to himself it could sound like he would have expected a harder time in dry conditions, at least he's hoping for rain tomorrow. But then again, that's just the rider, why should he know anything about this.

I thought yaw was the slip angle against the direction of travel. Well it was when I was flying hang gliders.
So for bikes it would be sliding either end, specially noticeable with some of them coming into the corners, or what the name of this forum is.

Another reason for raising the cog is that it increases the pitch under brakes, which puts more weight on the front wheel, and also steepens the rake, reduces trail (maybe), therefore allowing sharper turn in.

I'm putting this down as the most off topic thread ever. There's about 10 different streams of thought (if that's what you call it) going on, none of which have anything much to do with anything.
Can we still call all you Americans 'yanks'?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jun 22 2008, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm putting this down as the most off topic thread ever. There's about 10 different streams of thought (if that's what you call it) going on, none of which have anything much to do with anything.
Can we still call all you Americans 'yanks'?

Septics?