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Does anyone actually belive that Stoner choked under pressure???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rhyko7 @ Sep 1 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think only stoner knows the answer to this question and perhaps whoever has seen his telementary

theres your winner....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rhyko7 @ Sep 1 2008, 06:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think only stoner knows the answer to this question and perhaps whoever has seen his telementary along with anyone who saw the last 3 races.


fixed it for ya
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 1 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fixed it for ya
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Nice "fix". And I must agree, you don't fight for the championship with a reputation of never droping it and then dump it tree times in a row without a underlying reason.
 
Untill yesterday i gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now i think Stoner has let the pressure
get to him. When i look back , i see it all began from LC, when Casey said those things

afterwards. Then he got criticised by a few other legends, and he backhandedly apologized to Vale.But it was all late. So that Rossi was determine to race him harder (now that he had found

out how to get in to Stoners head).
Since Stoner wanted to take a revenge as soon as possible and show him How To Race, as he

told Rossi after LC GP (when Vale told Casey,... This is racing, and Casey said, OK We will see),
Rossi began to say I want to race the same way for the next 7 gp's, and so Casey became

aware that he only can win if he makes a big enough gap with Rossi, and that's what he's trying to do.

I think maybe it's even better for him to go to a head to head fight with Vale (on track i mean), in stead of trying to scape from him.

I followed this thread since day 1. At that moment i found it a bit too soon for calling that.

On the other hand i read some replies of some who where sure that it is impossible for Stoner to crack under pressure, and were saying that the only one who cracks is Rossi.

I have to say I believe that every human will crack under pressure somewhere,someday, if he/she is competing for a long time. And i know that not every crash is a reason of cracking

under pressure. But in this case both times it happend when Rossi was closing the gap.Now many people think because Casey was still 3 seconds in front, so he didn't crack under

pressure. But in reality that 3 seconds advantage can wanish by just a little fout or in 20 laps by losing a few tenths each lap.

I think if Stoner was sure of himself that he could fight with Rossi, than he wouldn't push so much to lose it without a fight, and in stead he would prefer to wait for Rossi to come closer to

him and try to give him some of his own medicine.

I believe Rossi too cracked under pressure in Valencia. But even if i didn't believe that and i see a thread with that subject in their posts, i wouldn't get involved in that, becuse i wont be able to

prove it otherwise. So to me it is better to ignor the threads and posts that we dont like,
and we cant prove anything in it.

Becuase everybody has an idea for him/herself, and no matter what i say that will not change
other people`s opinion ( in this kind of situations). After all we have based our opinions on some

facts or half/half facts and fictions, and that is enogh for us to judge.
But it amazes me when some want to defend their hero/idol/beloved/favorite rider or driver in

all the cases, even when they are sure that it wont change anything, or they try to take a shut at the NR1 rival of their favorite even if that commentator is not the fan of that rival.

It just shows that some people try desperately to change the subjects that hearts their feelings, by hearting other people`s feelings.

I am a Rossi fan but my second favorites are Casey, Lorenzo,Pedrosa and a few others.
I have only learnt something, and that is to not dislike the winners. firstly becouse they deserve

it and 2ndly i wont be able to enjoy my favorite sport, since that winner will win again and i have to be looking for excuses to decive myself.

Conclusion: Stoner is under pressure at this moment, but he isn't finished yet. Even if he loses this year.

And 2+2=4 . Rossi has a lot more experience than Casey at this time simply because he has been and seen and done it before more than Casey has. And this is the first time for Stoner that

he has to defend his title in Motogp, and being champion puts more pressure on the performance than being a unknown rider.


Forgot to say Cheers everybody!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 2 2008, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Untill yesterday i gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now i think Stoner has let the pressure
get to him. When i look back , i see it all began from LC, when Casey said those things

afterwards. Then he got criticised by a few other legends, and he backhandedly apologized to Vale.But it was all late. So that Rossi was determine to race him harder (now that he had found

out how to get in to Stoners head).
Since Stoner wanted to take a revenge as soon as possible and show him How To Race, as he

told Rossi after LC GP (when Vale told Casey,... This is racing, and Casey said, OK We will see),
Rossi began to say I want to race the same way for the next 7 gp's, and so Casey became

aware that he only can win if he makes a big enough gap with Rossi, and that's what he's trying to do.

I think maybe it's even better for him to go to a head to head fight with Vale (on track i mean), in stead of trying to scape from him.

I followed this thread since day 1. At that moment i found it a bit too soon for calling that.

On the other hand i read some replies of some who where sure that it is impossible for Stoner to crack under pressure, and were saying that the only one who cracks is Rossi.

I have to say I believe that every human will crack under pressure somewhere,someday, if he/she is competing for a long time. And i know that not every crash is a reason of cracking

under pressure. But in this case both times it happend when Rossi was closing the gap.Now many people think because Casey was still 3 seconds in front, so he didn't crack under

pressure. But in reality that 3 seconds advantage can wanish by just a little fout or in 20 laps by losing a few tenths each lap.

I think if Stoner was sure of himself that he could fight with Rossi, than he wouldn't push so much to lose it without a fight, and in stead he would prefer to wait for Rossi to come closer to

him and try to give him some of his own medicine.

I believe Rossi too cracked under pressure in Valencia. But even if i didn't believe that and i see a thread with that subject in their posts, i wouldn't get involved in that, becuse i wont be able to

prove it otherwise. So to me it is better to ignor the threads and posts that we dont like,
and we cant prove anything in it.

Becuase everybody has an idea for him/herself, and no matter what i say that will not change
other people`s opinion ( in this kind of situations). After all we have based our opinions on some

facts or half/half facts and fictions, and that is enogh for us to judge.
But it amazes me when some want to defend their hero/idol/beloved/favorite rider or driver in

all the cases, even when they are sure that it wont change anything, or they try to take a shut at the NR1 rival of their favorite even if that commentator is not the fan of that rival.

It just shows that some people try desperately to change the subjects that hearts their feelings, by hearting other people`s feelings.

I am a Rossi fan but my second favorites are Casey, Lorenzo,Pedrosa and a few others.
I have only learnt something, and that is to not dislike the winners. firstly becouse they deserve

it and 2ndly i wont be able to enjoy my favorite sport, since that winner will win again and i have to be looking for excuses to decive myself.

Conclusion: Stoner is under pressure at this moment, but he isn't finished yet. Even if he loses this year.

And 2+2=4 . Rossi has a lot more experience than Casey at this time simply because he has been and seen and done it before more than Casey has. And this is the first time for Stoner that

he has to defend his title in Motogp, and being champion puts more pressure on the performance than being a unknown rider.
It's to easy to say the presure got to him especially when his hand was hurting like hell. But ok it;s easy to ride with a broken bone. If you have ever rode a bike with speakable horsepower you would know it is unreal to contorl the damn thing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 2 2008, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's to easy to say the presure got to him especially when his hand was hurting like hell. But ok it;s easy to ride with a broken bone. If you have ever rode a bike with speakable horsepower you would know it is unreal to contorl the damn thing.


Stoner blames tyre issue for crash (Autosport)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 1 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner blames tyre issue for crash (Autosport)

What he needs to do is blame himself. And Valentino of course, for getting inside his head.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 2 2008, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's to easy to say the presure got to him especially when his hand was hurting like hell. But ok it;s easy to ride with a broken bone. If you have ever rode a bike with speakable horsepower you would know it is unreal to contorl the damn thing.
Hmm, I wonder why Lex hasn't come up with his theory yet. What now Lex,. are you going to say that DORNA put TNT in Stoner's left handlebar so it blow Stoner's bone off ?! ...Come on Lex, I know that you're patroling on the DORNA's HQ right
now...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 2 2008, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What he needs to do is blame himself. And Valentino of course, for getting inside his head.


Exactly,

but there are a lot of apologists who dont like to hear that from him, to begin with his boss Suppo.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 2 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner blames tyre issue for crash (Autosport)

Casey blamed himself for going down in Brno 100%.

This time he blamed his tyres or more properly the feel of the tyre (pre scrubbed in).

With the anti Casey crowd it becomes very apparent that when he wins it is the bike/tyres but when he doesn't it is the rider.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 2 2008, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey blamed himself for going down in Brno 100%.

This time he blamed his tyres or more properly the feel of the tyre (pre scrubbed in).

With the anti Casey crowd it becomes very apparent that when he wins it is the bike/tyres but when he doesn't it is the rider.

Oh, get used to it. We've heard that quite a few years from the Rossi haters. Jumkie and his bunch never let an occation go away.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, get used to it. We've heard that quite a few years from the Rossi haters. Jumkie and his bunch never let an occation go away.

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so its ok because "jumkie and his bunch" started it?
thats 5yr old tactics and belongs in the playground...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 2 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, get used to it. We've heard that quite a few years from the Rossi haters. Jumkie and his bunch never let an occation go away.

Just pointing out that Casey attributed different causal factors to each accident. Blaming himself for one and a tyre for the other just may be (are you ready!!) THE TRUTH.

Now we’re doing 5 year old stuff.

Ner ner ner ner ner
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you Stoner .... crack me up....
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i just finished Stoners interview at GP.com...here if you're a member.. ( http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2008/Stone...ns+Misano+crash )

"aproblem with the right side of the tire" "ran ONE lap to scrub the tire, remove the shine"
"between then and the race the tire warmer changed the balance of the chemicals in he tire"
"mainly on the right side"
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What ever happened to personal responsibility, whats wrong with saying.... "I ...... up" "It was my fault" "I folded like a cheap suit" "I saw Rossi on my lap board and i pushed too hard" ....there's nothing wrong with admitting you choked...it's happened to EVERYONE....but this BS about "well the chemical balance changed but only the right-side of tire" COME ON Stoner..just admit the pressure was too much..its not a big deal.. plain sad.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 2 2008, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you Stoner .... crack me up....
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i just finished Stoners interview at GP.com...here if you're a member.. ( http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2008/Stone...ns+Misano+crash )

"aproblem with the right side of the tire" "ran ONE lap to scrub the tire, remove the shine"
"between then and the race the tire warmer changed the balance of the chemicals in he tire"
"mainly on the right side"
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What ever happened to personal responsibility, whats wrong with saying.... "I ...... up" "It was my fault" "I folded like a cheap suit" "I saw Rossi on my lap board and i pushed too hard" ....there's nothing wrong with admitting you choked...it's happened to EVERYONE....but this BS about "well the chemical balance changed but only the right-side of tire" COME ON Stoner..just admit the pressure was too much..its not a big deal.. plain sad.
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does sound pretty bizarre to me , and if that was the case how come he put in monster fast laps until he crashed out in lap 7.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Sep 2 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Untill yesterday i gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now i think Stoner has let the pressure
get to him. When i look back , i see it all began from LC, when Casey said those things

afterwards. Then he got criticised by a few other legends, and he backhandedly apologized to Vale.But it was all late. So that Rossi was determine to race him harder (now that he had found

out how to get in to Stoners head).
Since Stoner wanted to take a revenge as soon as possible and show him How To Race, as he

told Rossi after LC GP (when Vale told Casey,... This is racing, and Casey said, OK We will see),
Rossi began to say I want to race the same way for the next 7 gp's, and so Casey became

aware that he only can win if he makes a big enough gap with Rossi, and that's what he's trying to do.

I think maybe it's even better for him to go to a head to head fight with Vale (on track i mean), in stead of trying to scape from him.

I followed this thread since day 1. At that moment i found it a bit too soon for calling that.

On the other hand i read some replies of some who where sure that it is impossible for Stoner to crack under pressure, and were saying that the only one who cracks is Rossi.

I have to say I believe that every human will crack under pressure somewhere,someday, if he/she is competing for a long time. And i know that not every crash is a reason of cracking

under pressure. But in this case both times it happend when Rossi was closing the gap.Now many people think because Casey was still 3 seconds in front, so he didn't crack under

pressure. But in reality that 3 seconds advantage can wanish by just a little fout or in 20 laps by losing a few tenths each lap.

I think if Stoner was sure of himself that he could fight with Rossi, than he wouldn't push so much to lose it without a fight, and in stead he would prefer to wait for Rossi to come closer to

him and try to give him some of his own medicine.

I believe Rossi too cracked under pressure in Valencia. But even if i didn't believe that and i see a thread with that subject in their posts, i wouldn't get involved in that, becuse i wont be able to

prove it otherwise. So to me it is better to ignor the threads and posts that we dont like,
and we cant prove anything in it.

Becuase everybody has an idea for him/herself, and no matter what i say that will not change
other people`s opinion ( in this kind of situations). After all we have based our opinions on some

facts or half/half facts and fictions, and that is enogh for us to judge.
But it amazes me when some want to defend their hero/idol/beloved/favorite rider or driver in

all the cases, even when they are sure that it wont change anything, or they try to take a shut at the NR1 rival of their favorite even if that commentator is not the fan of that rival.

It just shows that some people try desperately to change the subjects that hearts their feelings, by hearting other people`s feelings.

I am a Rossi fan but my second favorites are Casey, Lorenzo,Pedrosa and a few others.
I have only learnt something, and that is to not dislike the winners. firstly becouse they deserve

it and 2ndly i wont be able to enjoy my favorite sport, since that winner will win again and i have to be looking for excuses to decive myself.

Conclusion: Stoner is under pressure at this moment, but he isn't finished yet. Even if he loses this year.

And 2+2=4 . Rossi has a lot more experience than Casey at this time simply because he has been and seen and done it before more than Casey has. And this is the first time for Stoner that

he has to defend his title in Motogp, and being champion puts more pressure on the performance than being a unknown rider.


Forgot to say Cheers everybody!

<span style="color:#0000FFVery well said!

I think it is always easier to take a title than it is to keep a title, because the one chasing it has nothing to lose!
 
I don't agree he's choking. Casey has proved he can handle pressure, he just ...... up, twice. I just find it strange he's making mistakes when he's the one catching Rossi because it's a lot easier chasing than defending a championship lead. Now if it was Casey was leading the championship then i'd say he was cracking under the pressure.
 

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