Doctored: MotoGP’s Obsession with Valentino Rossi

JPSLotus said:

You make it sound as if Simoncelli was in some 160MPH corner trying to find another ounce of speed when he got killed. If it had happened that way, it'd be an altogether different discussion.

He low-sided and tried to save it without considering part of the field was still behind him, and wound up right on the racing line as a result.

That was monumental stupidity.

Lorenzo was right with his assessment.

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He didn't have time to think about whether it was stupid or not. His instincts were to try when most peoples instincts would have been to let go. Lorenzo was just being captain hindsight.

Band On The Run said:

In my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my ...., at the age of eighty,"

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I can't remember who said that, was it Dani Pedrosa or Tyrion Lannister?

MdubSTYLIE said:

He didn't have time to think about whether it was stupid or not. His instincts were to try when most peoples instincts would have been to let go. Lorenzo was just being captain hindsight.

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lol Lorenzo said it when he was still alive.

JPSLotus said:

lol Lorenzo said it when he was still alive.

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I know what comment you are talking about now. I was hoping you were talking about another one. That one was very tasteless imo. They all could die in any race, some have higher chances than others for him to talk about that to the media is not cool. It's like godwins law of racing. For you to say the discussion would be different if it would have been a high speed corner doesn't hold up to me. Are you saying you are supposed to chose when to make a calculated decision of when and when not to save it? Ain't nobody got time for that.

it's like when people are afraid of airplanes..."omg, they'll crash!" and i'm over here like "yolo, i want to go to a motogp race."

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littlesparrows said:

it's like when people are afraid of airplanes..."omg, they'll crash!" and i'm over here like "yolo, i want to go to a motogp race."

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You know what happens to people who are afraid of airplanes? They fall down the stairs checking their fb on an Ipad and die.

MdubSTYLIE said:

You know what happens to people who are afraid of airplanes? They fall down the stairs checking their fb on an Ipad and die.

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yeah because they were being "safe".

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#22 said:

What's that saying about the point of life is to arrive at the end kicking, screaming covered in marks and crap while explaiming "Wow, what a ride!"?

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UM...only the greatest human being ever....

"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow! What a Ride!"

MdubSTYLIE said:

I know what comment you are talking about now. I was hoping you were talking about another one. That one was very tasteless imo. They all could die in any race, some have higher chances than others for him to talk about that to the media is not cool. It's like godwins law of racing. For you to say the discussion would be different if it would have been a high speed corner doesn't hold up to me. Are you saying you are supposed to chose when to make a calculated decision of when and when not to save it? Ain't nobody got time for that.

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Dubs, you're talking to someone who has bitched endlessly about how safe motor racing has become at large.

I usually take the attitude you have with Simoncelli on MOST fatal racing accidents.

However, Simoncelli I don't share the opinion simply because it struck me as stupidity.

To me, what more matches your idea of Simoncelli pushing right up to the last moment, is what happened to Francois Cevert at Watkins Glen during practice of the United States Grand Prix in '73. Not sure how familiar you are with Watkins Glen, but after the first corner, you head towards the uphill Esses section of the circuit, and then after that you hang a fast right onto the long back straight. Cevert was pushing hard through the Esses, which is frankly a terrifying section in a soft sprung suspension race car, and is daunting to take flat-out even today in cars that do not have a lot of downforce. He unfortunately made a mistake trying to go faster, clipped the curb --and they were curbs back then-- then bounced off the barriers at 150MPH iirc, and went straight into the barrier on the back straight. He wound up getting cut in half by the barrier. But it was about trying to be the fastest as opposed to trying to save a low-side crash.

littlesparrows said:

it's like when people are afraid of airplanes..."omg, they'll crash!" and i'm over here like "yolo, i want to go to a motogp race."

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Or..."yo, there is too much traffic at a GP" bla bla. (You were not around to get that joke, but others will).

littlesparrows said:

UM...only the greatest human being ever....

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Sweety, do u know who that person is in the picture?

Jumkie said:

Or..."yo, there is too much traffic at a GP" bla bla. (You were not around to get that joke, but others will).

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He tried once got mad when his wife wasn't allowed in without a ticket.
http://motogpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11224&stc=1&d=1443545078

Jumkie said:

Sweety, do u know who that person is in the picture?

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Never mind. Let's get right to the heart of this thing. Twenty-four hours ago we were sitting in the Pogo Lounge of the Beverly Wills Hotel in the patio section, of course, drinking Singapore Slings with mescal on the side, hiding from the brutish realities of this foul year of Our Lord, 1971.

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JPSLotus said:

You make it sound as if Simoncelli was in some 160MPH corner trying to find another ounce of speed when he got killed. If it had happened that way, it'd be an altogether different discussion.

He low-sided and tried to save it without considering part of the field was still behind him, and wound up right on the racing line as a result.

That was monumental stupidity.

Lorenzo was right with his assessment.

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Sorry bro, but I gots to disagree with you. It wasnt a lack of consideration or any particular failure on his part, certainly not stupidity in as much as a knee-jerk reaction has absolutely no thought; it was just a common reaction by a racer to a routine type crash. Its happened a million times, this was a freak accident in the sense that he ended up in the path of others. Normally the bike and rider slide harmlessly to the side. If you guys want to beat a dead man, then let's talk about his on track antics on other riders that were similar to Marc and Rossi, whom are celebrated as heroes. Both punted riders at the same curve in Jerez, the second one as a tribute to the first. Lorenzo spoke of this type of antics NOT the one you describe.

So...Casey Stoner who crashed a fair bit in his career because he rode over the limit is a ..... but Marco Simoncelli who also crashed a fair bit in his career because he rode over the limit is a warrior?

I'm a bit lost here *shrugs*

AntG said:

So...Casey Stoner who crashed a fair bit in his career because he rode over the limit is a ..... but Marco Simoncelli who also crashed a fair bit in his career because he rode over the limit is a warrior?

I'm a bit lost here *shrugs*

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Great point, but for .... sake, must every thread become a Stoner discussion? 'Stay on track people!'






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What I did there....do u see it?

Jumkie said:

Sorry bro, but I gots to disagree with you. It wasnt a lack of consideration or any particular failure on his part, certainly not stupidity in as much as a knee-jerk reaction has absolutely no thought; it was just a common reaction by a racer to a routine type crash. Its happened a million times, this was a freak accident in the sense that he ended up in the path of others. Normally the bike and rider slide harmlessly to the side. If you guys want to beat a dead man, then let's talk about his on track antics on other riders that were similar to Marc and Rossi, whom are celebrated as heroes. Both punted riders at the same curve in Jerez, the second one as a tribute to the first. Lorenzo spoke of this type of antics NOT the one you describe.

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Great post

Jumkie said:

Sweety, do u know who that person is in the picture?

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despite my amazingly good & ravishingly young looks, i do know some things. especially awesome things.

do you sweetie, even know who is in the picture?

Jumkie said:

Sorry bro, but I gots to disagree with you. It wasnt a lack of consideration or any particular failure on his part, certainly not stupidity in as much as a knee-jerk reaction has absolutely no thought; it was just a common reaction by a racer to a routine type crash. Its happened a million times, this was a freak accident in the sense that he ended up in the path of others. Normally the bike and rider slide harmlessly to the side. If you guys want to beat a dead man, then let's talk about his on track antics on other riders that were similar to Marc and Rossi, whom are celebrated as heroes. Both punted riders at the same curve in Jerez, the second one as a tribute to the first. Lorenzo spoke of this type of antics NOT the one you describe.

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Fair enough.

I felt the same at the time of his accident that it was a mistake on his part trying to ride it out. Yeah it's hindsight in that regard, but would he have tried to ride it out or even been in that situation to begin with if he had a disposition more in line with Jorge Lorenzo?