Doctored: MotoGP’s Obsession with Valentino Rossi

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Why is it nothing but projection? Because unlike Simoncelli, he managed to win two world championships in spite of riding like a lunatic?

Sure many riders have those petulant and immature traits at one time or another, but MM has a long history of it. Will he change? It's possible. But we've seen a whole slew of dangerous riding events from him even before he showed up in the premier class.

I don't know, but I think Simoncelli's aggressiveness led to him refusing to let go of the bike when he should have just let go. It was such a stupid ....... crash that was avoidable. Oh well.

Only in hindsight. He was a true warrior on the bike to me, he never was willing to let it go. Radha don't you dare reply with that ....... song!

JPSLotus · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Only in hindsight. He was a true warrior on the bike to me, he never was willing to let it go. Radha don't you dare reply with that ....... song!

I hold the opposite thought. The true warrior thing is the same mentality as "real men" ..... It means holding fast to untenable positions because it's seen as unmanly to admit you're wrong. I am firmly a believer in that you have to know when to cut your losses and live to fight another day. Simoncelli didn't understand that, and he isn't here because of it.

Talented rider, just was missing the requisite intelligence that would have seen him accomplish far more out there and not wind up dead for what amounted to a stupid reason.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I hold the opposite thought. The true warrior thing is the same mentality as "real men" ..... It means holding fast to untenable positions because it's seen as unmanly to admit you're wrong. I am firmly a believer in that you have to know when to cut your losses and live to fight another day. Simoncelli didn't understand that, and he isn't here because of it.

Talented rider, just was missing the requisite intelligence that would have seen him accomplish far more out there and not wind up dead for what amounted to a stupid reason.

I know what you are saying. Some people are willing to die for what they love. He was one of those people.

Gaz · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Only in hindsight. He was a true warrior on the bike to me, he never was willing to let it go.

Racers instinct Dubs.

How often do we see these guys still holding the handlebars when there head is on the tank and their feet pointed at the sky, or as they slide down the road only to come to a halt, pick the bike up and off they go again.

When it all works we talk about the sheer will or ability (Edwards when in the Camel team, Marquez last year with the elbow save etc), when it goes wrong, we prefer to forget

Radha · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Only in hindsight. He was a true warrior on the bike to me, he never was willing to let it go. Radha don't you dare reply with that ....... song!

Ok. No Pat Benetar for you. Instead..........

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

Band On The Run said:
....... homos the lot of you. Theres only one song you ....... need to know about today.

Turn the volume up. Its about to get uglier then Dubs first marriage

Damn! That .... was Jack Miller ugly!!!!

Gaz · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Damn! That .... was Jack Miller ugly!!!!

Dubs, has anyone ever suggested to you that you seem to have an infatuation with Aussies?

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

Gaz said:
Dubs, has anyone ever suggested to you that you seem to have an infatuation with Aussies?

haha
I have some Aussie friends, and a few I don't really like. Ironically the few i don't like all seem to be from the Adelaide area. If you remember a few years ago barry and I actually both new a kid who passed. It was a friend of his son.

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I hold the opposite thought. The true warrior thing is the same mentality as "real men" ..... It means holding fast to untenable positions because it's seen as unmanly to admit you're wrong. I am firmly a believer in that you have to know when to cut your losses and live to fight another day. Simoncelli didn't understand that, and he isn't here because of it.

Talented rider, just was missing the requisite intelligence that would have seen him accomplish far more out there and not wind up dead for what amounted to a stupid reason.

Yes exactly, it's like having on your tombstone "I was right/ a warrior"....doesn't mean much when you're pushing up the daisies.

Dr No · Sep 29, 2015

Warrior is just a poor description.

Is Dani, who is oft-derided for not battling (this last race notwithstanding), a warrior?
He still gets out there after cracking dozens of bones...
Admirable?
Stupid?
Brave?
Braver than a willingness to clout someone with your bike? Or as some mouthbreathing "fans" who would probably .... themselves if the front tyre gave a little twitch (if they ride at all) would have it; a ..... for not clouting folk?

AntG · Sep 29, 2015

I said on another forum that Dani is probably the toughest rider out there, nobody on the current grid has broken as many bones as he has and just got on with it.

I never rated Marco as high as some do, he was popular because away from the track he came across as a lovely fella and had a real passion for racing motorcycles but I never saw anything from him to suggest he'd have been a regular threat to Lorenzo, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa and Marquez. He'd more likely have been the next best rider although I think Dovi and Iannone would have had something to say about that.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 29, 2015

Dr No said:
Warrior is just a poor description.

Is Dani, who is oft-derided for not battling (this last race notwithstanding), a warrior?
He still gets out there after cracking dozens of bones...
Admirable?
Stupid?
Brave?
Braver than a willingness to clout someone with your bike? Or as some mouthbreathing "fans" who would probably .... themselves if the front tyre gave a little twitch (if they ride at all) would have it; a ..... for not clouting folk?

Everyone's a ..... to someone.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 29, 2015

#22 said:
Yes exactly, it's like having on your tombstone "I was right/ a warrior"....doesn't mean much when you're pushing up the daisies.

Well it sure reads better than," here lies ______, total ......".

#22 · Sep 29, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Well it sure reads better than," here lies ______, total ......".

Yes, but then being alive sure reads better than being dead...

JPSLotus · Sep 29, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
I know what you are saying. Some people are willing to die for what they love. He was one of those people.

I highly doubt Simoncelli was willing to die for what he loved.

It was more of a case of simply not thinking there would be any consequence for hanging onto the bike when it was clearly gone.

If anything, he would have let go of that bike had he known he was about to be put onto a trajectory with Edwards and VR.

Radha · Sep 29, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I highly doubt Simoncelli was willing to die for what he loved.

It was more of a case of simply not thinking there would be any consequence for hanging onto the bike when it was clearly gone.

If anything, he would have let go of that bike had he known he was about to be put onto a trajectory with Edwards and VR.

I believe the cliche that "he died doing what he loved" is bunk. Noone is that commited, but I may be wrong. Maybe 22 could tell us if otherwise. 22 would you be happy If you died while being a ......?

#22 · Sep 29, 2015

I think you are the one qualified to answer that

:gathering:

JPSLotus · Sep 29, 2015

Radha said:
I believe the cliche that "he died doing what he loved" is bunk. Noone is that commited, but I may be wrong. Maybe 22 could tell us if otherwise. 22 would you be happy If you died while being a ......?

Yeah it's a cliche, but if one considers that phrase a bit more, what's the better choice, dying in some nursing home or dying doing what you love?

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 29, 2015

Some people have very different mindset when it comes to living and some people are most definitely willing to die for what they love. I think Super Sic was of that type, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have let go if he would have known the out come. RIP to Erik Roner.

JPSLotus · Sep 29, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Some people have very different mindset when it comes to living and some people will most definitely are willing to die for what they love. RIP to Erik Roner.

You make it sound as if Simoncelli was in some 160MPH corner trying to find another ounce of speed when he got killed. If it had happened that way, it'd be an altogether different discussion.

He low-sided and tried to save it without considering part of the field was still behind him, and wound up right on the racing line as a result.

That was monumental stupidity.

Lorenzo was right with his assessment.

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