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dirty racing? or just racing at it's best

was rossi's racing "dirty" at laguna?

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  • no

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 4 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>man i just don't understand some folk who seem upset & are complaining about rossis tactics. to me this was racing which we have not seen likes of all that often since the 06 season. this is what i hope for every race! choppin & changin, bar bangin hair raising pass's! stoner complaining is no surprise really they all do it when their adrenalin level is shot through the roof. would you pefer that we had nice orderly processional racing with nice respectful passing? with perhaps a conginial wave of thanks? seems weve had plenty of that this season as well as last. i just hope stoner learns & can dish it out to rossi in copious amouts. pedrosa needs to learn this as well. i pray to the 2 wheeled gods for every race to be this bloody good! so shut your whining complaining gobs & enjoy it!
Fair cop. I actually did vote no, but felt obliged to defend casey stoner's inalienable right as an australian to whinge
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 4 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>man i just don't understand some folk who seem upset & are complaining about rossis tactics. to me this was racing which we have not seen likes of all that often since the 06 season. this is what i hope for every race! choppin & changin, bar bangin hair raising pass's! stoner complaining is no surprise really they all do it when their adrenalin level is shot through the roof. would you pefer that we had nice orderly processional racing with nice respectful passing? with perhaps a conginial wave of thanks? seems weve had plenty of that this season as well as last. i just hope stoner learns & can dish it out to rossi in copious amouts. pedrosa needs to learn this as well. i pray to the 2 wheeled gods for every race to be this bloody good! so shut your whining complaining gobs & enjoy it!
spot on frosty. we have had threads devoted to calling motogp races boring and the one time we get a edge of the seat race peeps are crying foul. as i said before, more of the same please and may the best man win
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 4 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair cop. I actually did vote no, but felt obliged to defend casey stoner's inalienable right as an australian to whinge
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Sorry, I just assumed that an 800cc Ducati motogp engine screaming at 19000 rpm 4 feet behind you would make a fair amount of noise...silly me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Aug 5 2008, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He ....... did
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What happened to him in the previous 3 races then??? Or the last 2 years to that matter???
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Don't get too upset... I'm just .... stirring
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 5 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I just assumed that an 800cc Ducati motogp engine screaming at 19000 rpm 4 feet behind you would make a fair amount of noise...silly me.
im sure it does, ive heard them myself with my own ears. but over the noise of your own bike and the duc being behind you its impossible to tell exactly where it is, i.e behind to your left or right and exactly how close.
my point is i dont think rossi braked any more than he needed to, i dont think he could take the risk of to much brake because that could have aloud stoner to pass. even stoner himself said it was his fault he went in to hot.
 
He was fixated on passing down the straight. The lap before he ran right over the rumble strip and really screwed his drive up. I think his only game plan was trying to get in front and get away but there was no way he could do that at Laguna still he kept trying. A bit more patience and Rossi may have given it to him on a platter with a mistake. He was riding at the limit after all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 5 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I just assumed that an 800cc Ducati motogp engine screaming at 19000 rpm 4 feet behind you would make a fair amount of noise...silly me.
you are silly,you haven't taken in consideration about rossi 800cc yamaha engine screaming at 18950rmp right under his ....
 
It has a muffler...
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. But seriously, there is no way he can't hear the bike behind him. He wouldn't know where it was necessarily within inches but come on he could hear it clearly even over his own underpowered Yami.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 5 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It has a muffler...
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. But seriously, there is no way he can't hear the bike behind him. He wouldn't know where it was necessarily within inches but come on he could hear it clearly even over his own underpowered Yami.

and isnt rossi known for wanting a quiet bike under him so he can concentrate better on the other bikes around him? surely he would know which side of him the duke was and how close it was too?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 5 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im sure it does, ive heard them myself with my own ears. but over the noise of your own bike and the duc being behind you its impossible to tell exactly where it is, i.e behind to your left or right and exactly how close.
my point is i dont think rossi braked any more than he needed to, i dont think he could take the risk of to much brake because that could have aloud stoner to pass. even stoner himself said it was his fault he went in to hot.
Stoner f'd up and he knew it. Valentino blocked the line and that was the start of Stoner misbraking then dumping it. If Casey bided his time a bit more towards the last 6 laps of the race I think that is where his chance to win was. As far as noise goes you barely can hear anything when your in amongst bikes period. Plus don't forget they all wear earplugs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 5 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner f'd up and he knew it. Valentino blocked the line and that was the start of Stoner misbraking then dumping it. If Casey bided his time a bit more towards the last 6 laps of the race I think that is where his chance to win was. As far as noise goes you barely can hear anything when your in amongst bikes period. Plus don't forget they all wear earplugs.
good points. i actually gained respect for stoner because he went in to hot, it showed courage and fight, something dani seems to lack in a wc competitor.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner f'd up and he knew it. Valentino blocked the line and that was the start of Stoner misbraking then dumping it. If Casey bided his time a bit more towards the last 6 laps of the race I think that is where his chance to win was. As far as noise goes you barely can hear anything when your in amongst bikes period. Plus don't forget they all wear earplugs.

He was probably frustrated as hell. At the start of that lap he was in front twice. First over the line until Rossi squeezed inside him in trun 2, and later in turn 4 where he was diving on the inside only to see Rossi comming out in front by taking the outside line. At trun 10 he took a very different line from his usual to build speed on the exit, probably hoping to pass Rossi on the brakes into 11. That gave him quite a bit more speed into 11, something that probably made him miscalculate the braking point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 4 2008, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You sound like you have ridden a motogp bike with another 18 or so behind you... while concentrating on changing gears, taking corners, braking + accelerating.


Don't forget its pretty "relative" Andrew ....... the spectators don't ofte sense that relativity. The slowest thing relative to one rider is the next ..... the fastest is the spectator ...... so in reality its not so busy as you are portraying.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 6 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He was probably frustrated as hell. At the start of that lap he was in front twice. First over the line until Rossi squeezed inside him in trun 2, and later in turn 4 where he was diving on the inside only to see Rossi comming out in front by taking the outside line. At trun 10 he took a very different line from his usual to build speed on the exit, probably hoping to pass Rossi on the brakes into 11. That gave him quite a bit more speed into 11, something that probably made him miscalculate the braking point.

This is a most accurate description of that crucial moment in the race. Spot on, +1
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Side thought:
If Laguna is a track that allows for races like that (among riders on the same rubber), then the most perfect MotoGP formula would be:
1) control tyre
2) have all tracks rebuilt in Laguna style
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 6 2008, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is a most accurate description of that crucial moment in the race. Spot on, +1
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Side thought:

1) control tyre
babel got it.
you know i'm for a "skies the limit" approach to gps but i'm startin to rethink my stand on control tire & control electronics. maybe this would not be such a bad thing...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 6 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>babel got it.
you know i'm for a "skies the limit" approach to gps but i'm startin to rethink my stand on control tire & control electronics. maybe this would not be such a bad thing...
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Thank you Forsty.
But I'm not that much of a fan of either control tires or control ECU because I would like to see the competition develop on those areas as well. What I would like to see is dumbed down tires by the use of grooves or by other means and dumbed down ECUs by banning sensors and actuators used or planned used as driver aids. That way they can continue to develop tires, tires that will have a much more direct influence on road tires and ECU that will rely more on advanced programming for smaller gains rather than advanced sensors that never will be common on road bikes. Tires will slow it down and dumber ECU's will reduce draiver aids making the driver more of a difference than now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 6 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thank you Forsty.
But I'm not that much of a fan of either control tires or control ECU because I would like to see the competition develop on those areas as well. What I would like to see is dumbed down tires by the use of grooves or by other means and dumbed down ECUs by banning sensors and actuators used or planned used as driver aids. That way they can continue to develop tires, tires that will have a much more direct influence on road tires and ECU that will rely more on advanced programming for smaller gains rather than advanced sensors that never will be common on road bikes. Tires will slow it down and dumber ECU's will reduce draiver aids making the driver more of a difference than now.
i would like to see less rules rather than more. scrap the fuel limit and allow teams to buy what ever tryes they want for each track. dorna are trying to dumb down motogp and before we know it wsb will be quicker. plus all these rules make it to expensive for small teams to be competitive and turn off new teams from joining.
 

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