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Please sit down here Talps as I do not want to shock to much, but I do agree with the highlighted part but will temper it heavily by saying that today with the Internet there is often confusion between what is media, what is journalism and what is 'keyboard heroics' performed by armchair experts.



In the days of Doohan, Kocinski, Spencer (mentioned for Pete), Sarron (another who copped it a bit) and let us not forget Rudroff, there simply was no internet and we relied on journalists to provide stories and insight into the sport. This was done then, as it is now by the motorcycle journalist with generally little to no adverse personal criticisms of the riders 'personality' as it was not deemed a large part of the sport (that having changed dramatically since the internet age).



I do feel that we, as fans of the sport (that is opposed to the mindless throng that do follow an individual) often confuse what we read on the internet as 'media written' or driven when it is no more than mindless banter on a forum.



Whilst it is absolutely true that the internet age has allowed many enthusiasts to develop their love of the sport into a journalistic career (and I am sure that Krop will not mind me using him as the example - as he himself often states it), he is not similar to the journalists of old as his tools and communication methods are different. That said, he is also an exception in that rarely, if ever does Krop seem to stoop to a level that we have seen with 'non-motorcycling mainstream' journalists, such as those that formed the basis of the attacks on Rossi during the taxation affair (and who no longer comment on the sport).



IMO, the internet age does have a lot to answer for in our demands on these riders as well as the manner in which we judge them as all is now there for our consumption, and often a small snippet taken totally out of context can be twisted and manifested into something that it clearly was not to be (JB's 80 second comment being a possible good example).



IMO and I am sure this will not surprise but I do feel that Stoner cops far more than many other's have over the years, and yes I agree that some may well be deserved (just as it is with Bautista at the moment etc), but I also have no doubt that in 2013 there will be another villain developed by those in the media and forumland that need that as their focus.



The shame is that we ourselves often cannot discern the truth from fiction from opinion from fact and yet we pass judgement as if we were present at the time (all of us)



And glad to see you haven't changed your name to 7-0
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Good points mate, our opinions are just that I guess. These guys also get well compensated financially for what they do, so I can't feel too sorry for them.....
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Do the "scholar" search on Climate Change, and the truth will be revealed. When you have done that come back and kick all the condescention out of me!
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(I will enjoy the pain)

I will get back to you on this, just life is getting in the way of good forum time!!
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already have but I'll do it again, just for the Stoner fans with a persecution complex who somehow feel he is special.



Valentino Rossi......2011-2012-Simple.

Max Biaggi-....2001--2005-Simple.

Sete Gibernau........2004-2006. Simple.

John Kosinski.......1990-93 (i think)

Kevin schwantz.....1989, particularly from the aussies, his PI crash brought many applause if I remember rightly.





Hasn't Stoner stated recently that Rossi is not riding the Ducati had enough..........?



You are wrong my friend, the media and all of its nastiness has been around forever, well before Casey Stoner was born.

Schwantz didn't cop hate from the aussies. They were ironic cheers from the crowd because he was having a lot of spectacular crashes at the time (for memory). There was no malice there, though. He was well liked and admired.
 
Schwantz didn't cop hate from the aussies. They were ironic cheers from the crowd because he was having a lot of spectacular crashes at the time (for memory). There was no malice there, though. He was well liked and admired.



I remember the same reaction at Laguna many decades ago.

Kevin and Wayne were battling for AMA supremacy that year. Rainey had a big points lead, due in no small part to Kevin's frequent moon shot attempts. Schwantz's stated 'strategy' was to go out and 'put pressure on Wayne' by winning. (Never mind that Rainey had enough points to cruise in 2nd for the rest of the season.) Anyhoo - Kev leapt out to a big lead and was poised to win it ... until a spectacular high-side at T11 ended his day (and - I think - re-fractured his already splintered wrist.) Sporadic Cheers, Jeers and sardonic applause followed, yet no one was genuinely bagging on 34. The feeling was, "Here we go again!
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The entire British Isles is warmed by the gulf stream which acts like central heating in the winter. Although we tend to get mild winters, on the other hand if a polar continental airmass migrates over from Siberia given our complete inability to cope with anything over a millimetre of snow we're ....... What is utterly miserable and intolerable is this all pervading damp, much like the Pacific Northwest. When the jet stream gets stuck and conveys endless processions of Atlantic depressions which can last months....summer gone. On the other hand a nice blocking high up from Saharan Africa or the Azores can divert prevailing low pressure systems like a boulder in a river and it's like So Cal - Silverstone always being the exception.

Yes, I know about the effects of the gulf stream, which apparently paradoxically will lead to the british isles/atlantic archipelago (I have an english grandfather, but a working majority of irish ancestry overall) being colder if global warming is correct, and has made the british and irish isles currently and historically more habitable than their latitude would otherwise mandate.



For someone who lives in Sydney, Murrayfield at night in high summer was bloody cold though, not that I minded, it was a great experience as was Edinburgh in general and I actually don't mind cold weather anyway. We did have a near decade long drought in Sydney, but at other times including the last couple of years Sydney has many places covered for rain, which fortunately tends to come in large downpours with decent weather in between.
 
already have but I'll do it again, just for the Stoner fans with a persecution complex who somehow feel he is special.



Valentino Rossi......2011-2012-Simple.

Max Biaggi-....2001--2005-Simple.

Sete Gibernau........2004-2006. Simple.

John Kosinski.......1990-93 (i think)

Kevin schwantz.....1989, particularly from the aussies, his PI crash brought many applause if I remember rightly.





Hasn't Stoner stated recently that Rossi is not riding the Ducati had enough..........?



You are wrong my friend, the media and all of its nastiness has been around forever, well before Casey Stoner was born.

I said premier class world champions, and I disagree about kevin schwantz, who was admired by pretty much everyone who followed the sport while he was racing, as indicated by the rider preferences of such people on here including mine, although that admittedly is a statistical sample akin to a news limited newspoll.



The only bad professional media coverage valentino has got that I am aware is the reported coverage he has got in Italy, apparently due to divided loyalties between ducati and him. He has got zero bad coverage in Australia, and little or none in the UK. His fans have copped a hammering on some english language fan forums, which is currently descending to unjustified criticism of him, but you did mention reaping and sowing, not that this justifies it imo.



Gaz has hit on what is behind all this, the internet age and fan forums which allow everyone to give their unvarnished opinion, informed or otherwise. Professional journalists in the past were just that, professional, and did not indulge in discussion of personality so much, and also were a small circle known to the riders and dependent on them for interviews/information in the future. Even they now have blogs on which they are more forthcoming, and what is in the fan forums seems to feedback into the professional media, sometimes forming unstable loops.



I repeat, and this also is what stoner himself has said really upset him, I have never seen the vitriol heaped on a sporting figure of his stature (which obviously doesn't approach valentino's in the sport, but he is one race win away from matching mike hailwood for the fourth most premier class wins, not that this will make him as good as hailwood either) for being physically unwell, and in particular glee that he had been "mentally broken" by the fans of another rider. Even if his problem had been mainly psychological this would not have made it any better. As arrabbiata said, he could hardly draw a condemnatory comment when he started a thread about anthony gobert, who definitely is mentally broken.
 
I remember the same reaction at Laguna many decades ago.

Kevin and Wayne were battling for AMA supremacy that year. Rainey had a big points lead, due in no small part to Kevin's frequent moon shot attempts. Schwantz's stated 'strategy' was to go out and 'put pressure on Wayne' by winning. (Never mind that Rainey had enough points to cruise in 2nd for the rest of the season.) Anyhoo - Kev leapt out to a big lead and was poised to win it ... until a spectacular high-side at T11 ended his day (and - I think - re-fractured his already splintered wrist.) Sporadic Cheers, Jeers and sardonic applause followed, yet no one was genuinely bagging on 34. The feeling was, "Here we go again!
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Precisely!
 
Yamaka is correct that scientific concensus has been often incorrect in the past, the aforementioned galileo and copernicus and heliocentrism



That's not actually true. Scientists and those using the Socratic scientific method for centuries believed the sun was the thing we rotated about and that the earth was its satellite. What Gallileo did was to PROVE that.



Those that were against Gallileo, Copernicus and co weren't scientists, they were religious fundies and ignorant, uneducated buffoons.



Actually, pretty much exactly the same situation that climate scientist now find themselves in.
 
Cardiff is awesome i'll admit, but you can only enjoy it so much in crap weather



My daughter lives in Swansea, my son lives in Lossiemouth - .... 'em if they can't take a joke
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I only live where the sun shines - and that hasn't been Hampshire these last weeks. SIngapore and Sydney have been nice, Wellington was freezing but sunny, Honkers is cloudy.
 

Before making a fool of yourself again in quoting again from perhaps the most ridiculed and notoriously sensationalist newspaper in the U.K. perhaps inform yourself first about the reputation of the sources you use. Even if there is substance to the claims, which is altogether another debate, using an article from The Daily Mail in support of your contention that Climate Change is a hoax would be rather like substantiating your belief that Rossi is over rated using a series of posts by Pinky as a basis for that argument.



A fair summary of the British Press:



http://tvtropes.org/...itishNewspapers



In future you might like to post extracts from another English Junk Newspaper 'The Sunday Sport' - it's at least more credible than the Mail



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Before making a fool of yourself again in quoting again from perhaps the most ridiculed and notoriously sensationalist newspaper in the U.K. perhaps inform yourself first about the reputation of the sources you use. Even if there is substance to the claims, which is altogether another debate, using an article from The Daily Mail in support of your contention that Climate Change is a hoax would be rather like substantiating your belief that Rossi is over rated using a series of posts by Pinky as a basis for that argument.



A fair summary of the British Press:



http://tvtropes.org/...itishNewspapers



In future you might like to post extracts from another English Junk Newspaper 'The Sunday Sport' - it's at least more credible than the Mail



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Is this better

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12288210



Its not like these news services did the study, they just report what is released. Here is the same info from an ultra liberal rag. If you dont beleive that one, there are numerous other news services reporting the findings. Just Google {tree ring study shows earth is cooling,} youcan then pick whichever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside
 
Is this better

http://www.democrati...nd.com/12288210



Its not like these news services did the study, they just report what is released. Here is the same info from an ultra liberal rag. If you dont beleive that one, there are numerous other news services reporting the findings. Just Google {tree ring study shows earth is cooling,} youcan then pick whichever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside



Wow.
 
No, we invented mould - you just couldn't handle the intricacies of the spelling...



You got all bent out of shape and been waiting all this time and now you pounce?
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Really? That's the best you have, a spelling error? .... me. I see them in your posts constantly.

Just don't have the time to point them all out. Moreover it was a lighthearted jest made in

good humor - so why you feel the need at this juncture to break out the over-literate Oscar Wilde

....-jibe is beyond me.
 

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