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Dani Pedrosa?

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Now I know from reading through threads that a large majority of people on this board are not so keen on Dani.

I am a big fan of Dani but have always thought that if he lacked anything it was his willingness to 'battle' for postions, however I genuinely believe that although this hasn't been his most successful year, he has matured as a rider and that showed yesterday where he battled hard and gave his all to beat valentino. In past just the sight of the number 46 has made him accept defeat and although he wasn't victorious this time I think he now has the belief in himself to take the next step?

Stoner has been fantastic this year and no one can take anything away from the lad but I still think Dani has a slight physcological edge from their 125 and 250 days when they go head to head, but valentino was something new and until now I don't believe Pedrosa believed he could contest, has that just changed?

HONEST opinions...
 
He seems to be a good rider but lacksthe extra 'edge', I think Rossi tried to break him, it seemed that at one point he slowed down to let Pedrosa pass him so he could pass him again. A little like what Rossi used to do to Sette Gibernao.
No doubt if he has more confidence in himself and rides more aggresively, he has a bright future. I think that if Pedrosa was in same spirit like yesterday, he would have been first or second in the championship table.
 
Dani can't fight for position...he said as much last year when Vale fought and 'was too rough' on Dani during the Le Mans 2006 race before the Yamaka blew up...

Dani's style is to take off and dissappear in to the distance to win... a la Germany 2007...
 
i have a lot more respect for him as a racer after yesterday. he has a lot to race for now. if rossi has another dnf dani moves into second so he sure has incentive.
fact it dani is a better rider these days, he has mastered the rain and can now break late so kudos top him
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Sep 17 2007, 02:05 PM) [snapback]91104[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dani can't fight for position...he said as much last year when Vale fought and 'was too rough' on Dani during the Le Mans 2006 race before the Yamaka blew up...

Dani's style is to take off and dissappear in to the distance to win... a la Germany 2007...



yeh thats what i'm saying he was like that last year but I think things have changed, hes been mentally strong this year watching a rider (stoner) he has always dominated run off with the world title and seems very determined to get back on top...

I think the days where dani makes comments like...."its too rough" are long behind him?
 
I saw something in him yesterday that had been missing.He had some fight in him even though i still think things have to be perfect for him to contend.If what they are saying is true about Stoners bike,that it was hitting false nuetrals and screwing up the engine braking,that kind of stuff would have blown Dani's mind and he would have dropped out of contention where riders like Rossi, and now Stoner battle thru the mental things and find a way.
 
Well I disagree on this not being his best year, IMO he's been as good as it was possible with the machinery he had.

Last year he had the best bike along with Hayden, and he had some things to improve, he crashed 3 times (Turkey, Montmeló, Portugal) and was quite bad in the rain and under braking.

This year he is the leading Honda BY FAR if he hadn't been knocked down TWICE he would probably would be ahead of Rossi, and that says a LOT to me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Sep 17 2007, 11:29 AM) [snapback]91152[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well I disagree on this not being his best year, IMO he's been as good as it was possible with the machinery he had.

Last year he had the best bike along with Hayden, and he had some things to improve, he crashed 3 times (Turkey, Montmeló, Portugal) and was quite bad in the rain and under braking.

This year he is the leading Honda BY FAR if he hadn't been knocked down TWICE he would probably would be ahead of Rossi, and that says a LOT to me.

In a year dominated by tire talk, he's been the top Michelin rider all of twice (same as his teammate btw). He's had as many retirements as Rossi, so arguing "if he hadn't retired" is a bit weak (although one of Rossi's was of his own doing at least).

Of course, I have an irrational dislike of Dani.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 17 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]91106[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i have a lot more respect for him as a racer after yesterday. he has a lot to race for now. if rossi has another dnf dani moves into second so he sure has incentive.
fact it dani is a better rider these days, he has mastered the rain and can now break late so kudos top him


100% agree. he has learnt how to brake now instead of flying down the straight then stopping saying "after you, no really, i insist" he seems to be over that. his wet weather riding is streets ahead compared to what it was last year and he seems to have got that... i dont think aggression is the right word... determination to win now. he's angry at Honda this year, he's annoyed with Mitchelin and he's livid about de Puniet's antics last race - he could have got second in the championship at Misano and that will piss him off immensely. he's out to win and IMO he's not gonna let anyone stop him if he can help it.

about what someone said with Rossi toying with him, i was inclined to agree at first but then i wasn't so sure. When he did get in front, Dani was right on his tail and wouldn't let him get away. i dont know if Rossi thought that his Yam was up to the job of beating the Honda to the line or not but if i was him, i wouldn't have risked it. i dont know... i guess only he does.


oh, and i love Dani of course. so im totally unbiased
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When he showed up with his little horse jockey build and everyone started giving him handouts it really hit a nerve with me. His only real skill set is that he is tiny. He's not a prodigy like Rossi, he doesn't focus like Doohan, he's not ride or die like Schwantz, he's not a tactician like Rainey, he's not as purely talented as Lawson, he's not fast and loose like Freddy, hell, he's not even a cocky ....... like Kenny or Sheene.

He has nothing going for him other than the bike he rides, and his small stature. I'm not suggesting that won't produce a championship, but of all the people on the grid, he is one of the least deserving to win the title.

That said, my respect for him has grown this season, mainly because he pulled his balls out of Honda's purse and made some straight forward demands based on principle (whether he's right or wrong is irrelevant to me). Plus, he's worked extra hard on moving around on the bike. He hangs farther off, he's worked hard on braking, and he's a bit more aggressive.

He still has a long way to go. You could see the silly immaturity yesterday when he got past Rossi with 3-4 to go. He tried to sprint off into the distance
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Like Rossi's never seen that one before. Even on the Ducati, which has the pace to disappear, Stoner is still smart enough to battle until the last lap then put his head down.
 
mylexicon, why is it silly to try and put a gap on Rossi when he's in front? Dani is most comfortable leading with a gap behind him and he had the pace so why shouldn't he try and escape? i don't understand why you're saying that please enlighten me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Sep 17 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]91167[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
mylexicon, why is it silly to try and put a gap on Rossi when he's in front? Dani is most comfortable leading with a gap behind him and he had the pace so why shouldn't he try and escape? i don't understand why you're saying that please enlighten me.


Seriously?
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The only person to ever pass Rossi with a handful of laps remaining and then break him was Barros in 2002 at Motegi. Once in Rossi's entire career--5 years ago at Motegi.

Trying to break Rossi more than 1 lap from the finish is a complete waste of time. Your only chance is to duel with him, then wait till the last lap or even the last bend. Even that strategy carries poor odds.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Sep 17 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]91167[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
mylexicon, why is it silly to try and put a gap on Rossi when he's in front? Dani is most comfortable leading with a gap behind him and he had the pace so why shouldn't he try and escape? i don't understand why you're saying that please enlighten me.

Well, he clearly didn't have the pace, because he didn't gap him and got repassed.
 
There was a thread already dedicated to this.


As a racer, he showed he is much improved, especially after his performance this last race.

However, I think he's always been gifted unbridled support that makes him shine more than he actually is because of favoritism and politics. Plus he is a pompous little ... of a human being.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Sep 17 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]91175[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There was a thread already dedicated to this.
As a racer, he showed he is much improved, especially after his performance this last race.

However, I think he's always been gifted unbridled support that makes him shine more than he actually is because of favoritism and politics. Plus he is a pompous little ... of a human being.



Dani won all his world championships on Hondas not aprillas, just look at Dovi and how hard he has to work on that Honda!

how has he had unbridled support? He is a super talented rider and just cos you don't like him doesn't mean he is not beta than everyone on that grid apart from Vale. sorry but its true, stoner had beta bikes in 250s and 125s and Dani was still to strong.
 
He set such high expections for 2007 from last year, and him being the small guy on a smaller bike. He has not lived up to them. I think it is the bike and not him this season. Let Honda work on the bike and lets talk next year, when Stoner is in the Hayden slump.
 
You guys are going on and on about Pedrosa. Pedrosa had good pace and rode well... but Rossi...

Rossi did the classic Rossi. He knew that he had the pace. He sized up Pedrosa on the brakes for several laps and saw that Pedrosa was suseptable to a pass on the brakes. He waited.. made his move.. then it was over...

The running wide was to let Pedrosa pass so that he could pass him again.
Pedrosa ran wide and let Rossi back but it was done...

Pedrosa didn't show anything. He did not have a Catalunya performance. He did not mixed it up heavily with Rossi. He actually showed that he was vulneralbe to some of Rossi's fun and games...

Rossi got the best of him...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Sep 17 2007, 03:02 PM) [snapback]91191[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You guys are going on and on about Pedrosa.

Well, that's the topic of this thread.
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