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Cheating

A rider who is trying to justify his existence in the sport, does not validate your conspiracy theory. Just because Bradley says people are cheating, doesnt make it true. He can have all the suspicions he wants, but until he can back up accusations, he needs to STFU. Hell, i have suspicions that you and Keshav are homosexual lovers, but until i have proof, im going to keep it to myself.
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You have speculated on Smith's motive to disparage his integrity regarding teams he accuses of cheating. I bet you don't see the irony in your statement. Anyway, you can keep wondering about my sexual orientation, your lack of intelligent reasoning in your posts is proof enough your an ......
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Unfounded accusation. Bradley needs to do what Pov said and shut up instead of bringing it into disrepute without providing any basis. He's accused everyone but him of being Lance Armstrongs. He's going to MotoGP now where the whole series revolves around the haves and have nots. I wonder what cheating he will identify next year. Anyone on a factory Honda or factory Yamaha must be cheating.



I know how he got his ride now.



Herve "what have you done this year to deserve a ride in MotoGP? Your results were ....."

Bradley "well, er... everyone else was cheating".

Herve "oh ok then, come and ride for us."
 
Wait, am I right in thinking he's saying since other teams were upgrading their bikes throughout the season, and that is considered, according to him, CHEATING? This guy really needs to keep his trap shut until he starts showing that he can be a front runner. Yeah, sure blame the bike, but we all know it's the rider, not the bike in this case. I mean, unless they are actually ....... with the engines and giving Marquez and Espargaro better motors, which is unproven (I'm convinced Marquez is sacrificing a bit of top speed for shorter gears, maybe has a tall final gear and all the rest are short, seems like he runs through them quicker and tops out earlier)
 
[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]How does anybody really know we landed on the moon? I demand proof.[/font]



Point a big enough telescope at the moon and you can see the landing stages left behind by the Apollo craft.
 
Point a big enough telescope at the moon and you can see the landing stages left behind by the Apollo craft.



Circumstantial your honor. Maybe somebody just dropped them off there. Doesn't mean we landed. If your not an astronaut, how could you know? Sounds like gossip to me.
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So who can safely say there was "cheating" in the series? Peeps are lining up here saying he was just saying this cuz his results were ..... You don't know if they were cheating and you don't know if they were not. Your propensity to believe what the officials tell you as truth is rather naive. Are there any honest people in the series except the Marquez team?
 
[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Your post was a bit confusing my friend. You start with the explanation that expensive bits is not tantamount to cheating, uhm, yeah, what is the insight in that? I think we all can distinguish between "cheating" and 'go-fast bits that cost' a grip.
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[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Jums, it is Smith tat mentions the expensive components during his claims that some teams cheated, ergo is he aligning one's ability to affor expensice go-fast bits with cheating?[/font]



[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]It sure sounded to me like that and also like he was saying (effectively) 'that as his team could not afford the go-fast bits, while others could he was cheated'[/font]





[font=Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Then demand "proof" of cheating? Uhm, I don't think you and others doubting it has happened understand the process of cheating, its done in secret. Which makes this very difficult to prove. ...., murder is hard to "prove". I noticed you still find the need to defend a certain Aussie who were dismissed as a "whiner" when he spoke out (as you know I think was also an unwarranted moniker); yet, that very same group who you share this kinship were also in general of the opinion that the powers that be have screwed a certain Aussie competitor by similar dubious underhanded dishonest shenanigans. So then, by your logic, by simply demanding proof and not getting any we can declare that moniker to be accurate and in this case enough to sweep it under the rug, as you have attempted to downplay Smith's assertion of cheating.[/font]



I (and I suspect Friz) make mention of the 'Aussie' simply to see if the calls of whiner follow and I will say now that I am not surprised that they have not followed as vehemently as they did with the 'aussie' (just as they did not when Crutchlow made similar statements to the 'aussie').



Now, you also seem to want to align me to the thought that Dorna played a role in the 'aussies' departure, by all means draw a vry very long bow and attachment there but you will not find me having made that claim as it is (imo) untrue. IMO the 'aussie' left because he did not like the direction of the sport which is a personal thing, but if you wish to think that I feel that Dorna forced his hand, feel free as the only one forcing his hand was himself.



With regards to proof, yes very difficult to prove but the onus is on those making the claims to provide and furnish the irrefutable truth, one is not convicted of guilt purely based on the heresay of another. Thus, I ask simply that if Smith or his team or his management have proof, let them furnish it, make it public as until they do is simple heresay and needs to be treated as such.



I am indeed very happy to dismiss Smith's claim as now that he has made it, the burden of proof should shift ti him and has he provided anything?



Has he said how they cheat?



Has he been asked for specifics as from that interview the questioner bypassed the process?







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Certainly sometimes where there is smoke there is fire, but there is also an onus or burden of proof on those making claims to provide supportive and substantive evidence and what has Smith provided?



One can make all manner of claims, but without proof they are just claims
 
Circumstantial your honor. Maybe somebody just dropped them off there. Doesn't mean we landed. If your not an astronaut, how could you know? Sounds like gossip to me.
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So who can safely say there was "cheating" in the series? Peeps are lining up here saying he was just saying this cuz his results were ..... You don't know if they were cheating and you don't know if they were not. Your propensity to believe want the officials tell you as truth is rather naive. Are there any honest people in the series except the Marquez team?



No doubt that every single team was trying to see what they could get away with. That's their job. No doubt some items slipped through the cracks of tech inspection. That's unfortunate, but understandable.



However, the million dollar question is "Did any cheating which may have taken place this year in Moto2 have any material effect on the outcome of the championship?" My answer to that is "absolutely not." Marquez and Espargaro were the cream of the crop. Because they were both fast at every track, in every session. Espargaro was only slowed up when it rained, but that affected everyone on a Kalex, Valencia being a prime example.



So, if you want to believe Moto2 was rife with cheating, that's fine. But your accusations so far have a ring of "controlled demolition" to them.
 
C'mon, people! Smith doesn't say nearly enough to allow a sensible assessment of his statement.

If only the interviewer had been on the ball and followed up...



I'd be interested in hearing a LOT more of his opinions and observations.



Krop, your task is clear: corner Bradley and determine what he knows. Use any interrogation techniques required! Failure is not an option!



At the least, clarify what he meant by 'cheating.'
 
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One can make all manner of claims, but without proof they are just claims

Gaz, lets shelve the long bow, as I'm not in the mood to search to find at least one post where you have aligned yourself with the suggestion that Stoner may have been screwed by the series in some form or fashion. I'll say this, Smith has no obligation to tell us how they cheated as much as Stoner has no obligation to continue riding after expressing his accusations about the series. Not sure how you have reasoned in your mind that one is defensible and the other is not.



Did you know there is no official admission that our involvement to "liberate" Kuwait was done so over oil? Just a bunch of people claiming we fight wars in the middle east over oil, no actual proof though.



Well, if we had any real investigative journalism in GP, maybe we would get a few answers. But it seems our sport journalists are first inclined to believe the league officials and well funded teams. Ignoring the visual disparity of course. Then when people blow the whistle, they are summarily disregarded as excuse makers.
 
C'mon, people! Smith doesn't say nearly enough to allow a sensible assessment of his statement.

If only the interviewer had been on the ball and followed up...



I'd be interested in hearing a LOT more of his opinions and observations.



Krop, your task is clear: corner Bradley and determine what he knows. Use any interrogation techniques required! Failure is not an option!



At the least, clarify what he meant by 'cheating.'



Ah yes, I can hear Krops question now: 'Hey Bradley, you recently lied that Marquez was cheating, obviously you are just making excuses for your ...... results, can you please elaborate on these baseless claims?'
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Gaz, lets shelve the long bow, as I'm not in the mood to search to find at least one post where you have aligned yourself with the suggestion that Stoner may have been screwed by the series in some form or fashion. I'll say this, Smith has no obligation to tell us how they cheated as much as Stoner has no obligation to continue riding after expressing his accusations about the series. Not sure how you have reasoned in your mind that one is defensible and the other is not.



I will help you.



I happily acknowledge that changes to the sport have upset Stoner thus that he decided to retire rather than remain a competitor. I do not and have not and will not accuse DORNA of changing these rules simply to force Stoner out as (all IMO) that is simply not the case and Stoner is leaving of his choosing and his choosing only.



What I do accept and this may have led to confusion is that I accept Stoner is leaving for his reasons and I support his right to have reasons and thus leave, I happily acknowledge that he is under no requirement to stay in the sport





Did you know there is no official admission that our involvement to "liberate" Kuwait was done so over oil? Just a bunch of people claiming we fight wars in the middle east over oil, no actual proof though.



In total honesty, I have no idea with politics as for me politicians are like cats ...................... self absorbed and attention seekingly needy with no use to anybody







Well, if we had any real investigative journalism in GP, maybe we would get a few answers. But it seems our sport journalists are first inclined to believe the league officials and well funded teams. Ignoring the visual disparity of course. Then when people blow the whistle, they are summarily disregarded as excuse makers.



Agree.



I would love to read an expose similar to the 'Lords of the Rings' regarding the Olympic movement etc, but let us be fair in that our sport is not a great nor large player within World Sports. I dare suggest that there are a number of domestic sports competetions in the US and Europe that have a larger financial input than does MGP, which really does place MGP well down the list.



I will say that I do suspect that in years ahead we will hear more stories but see little proof of any wrong doings, whether we like it or not, and do not take any of this as me saying that 'stuff' does not happen, just that it is an aspect of all sports and is very difficult to prove
 
Ah yes, I can hear Krops question now: 'Hey Bradley, you recently lied that Marquez riders was cheating, obviously you are just making excuses for your ...... results, can you please elaborate on these baseless claims?'
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Actually Jums substitute a few words and that is exactly what should be asked and I will bet that Smith will be a lot more discerning in what he claims.
 
Actually Jums substitute a few words and that is exactly what should be asked and I will bet that Smith will be a lot more discerning in what he claims.



Judging from this thread's reaction, I fully expect him to back away and 'focus on the future.'
 
Well, if we had any real investigative journalism in GP, maybe we would get a few answers. But it seems our sport journalists are first inclined to believe the league officials and well funded teams. Ignoring the visual disparity of course. Then when people blow the whistle, they are summarily disregarded as excuse makers.



What's stopping you?
 
I think the problem in bike racing is that Dorna have bent the rules since they used Casey in 2007 to sell bikes in Aus. The next 4 years, Ezy spent engineering changes to break the euro rider/jap bike combo. Once they realised it wasn't working, Ezy made sure Freddie went to HRC and paid off Vale to go Ducati a couple of years. Casey was then pushed to retire before the manipulation of the series was widely known. Think Flo Jo, came from nowhere, won, retired, had heart attack, deid. Get out before you get caught out. The truth is out there
 
I think the problem in bike racing is that Dorna have bent the rules since they used Casey in 2007 to sell bikes in Aus. The next 4 years, Ezy spent engineering changes to break the euro rider/jap bike combo. Once they realised it wasn't working, Ezy made sure Freddie went to HRC and paid off Vale to go Ducati a couple of years. Casey was then pushed to retire before the manipulation of the series was widely known. Think Flo Jo, came from nowhere, won, retired, had heart attack, deid. Get out before you get caught out. The truth is out there



Simple, isnt it mate?
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What's stopping you?



Ah yes, easier said than done, right. Hahaha, I've read you make similar defense to a few other people here. And its a good retort, as I'm sure you feel under appreciated at the difficulty of your toils. To answer your question, my day job for one and married with kids, my lack of access, proximity, established relationships in the MotoGP. That hasn't stopped me from asking questions of principals of the sport when I'm next to them, a few times even got some surprisingly candid and unguarded answers.



What I find interesting Krops, is that you seem well aware of the propensity of man's nature, yet you seem to express it doesn't apply to the competitions of MotoGP. You posted the a very revealing interview of businessmen who run sports, and the fascinating thing for me was your inability to realize they were telling us they create a sham by design because thats what people buy. Then when people like me point out the propensity of men to skew the authenticity of the competition, you call .........



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Unfounded accusation. Bradley needs to do what Pov said and shut up instead of bringing it into disrepute without providing any basis. He's accused everyone but him of being Lance Armstrongs. He's going to MotoGP now where the whole series revolves around the haves and have nots. I wonder what cheating he will identify next year. Anyone on a factory Honda or factory Yamaha must be cheating.



I know how he got his ride now.



Herve "what have you done this year to deserve a ride in MotoGP? Your results were ....."

Bradley "well, er... everyone else was cheating".

Herve "oh ok then, come and ride for us."

Interesting you bring up cycling as a defense of not cheating. I think the massive cover up involving officials and drug testers in cycling is exactly the evidence I would use to say there possibly is cheating. How many years did it last before we finally got 'proof' that the Tour de France was a farce. How do you think the first whistle blower in cycling was treated? Threatened and told to STFU until they can show some 'proof'.



I see no reason to dismiss Smith's claims out of hand. Who knows what he's overheard in the paddock. Put it this way, at this point who would I trust more? Smith, who has everything to loose by saying this, or Ezy, the guy in charge of the 'show'?