Casey Stoner Rumors, Still sick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brett @ Aug 11 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've had a bad flu for the past month,

you wouldn't live in the illawarra would you - been doing the rounds that one and man it is rotten.





Gaz

Haha yes I do Gaz - Figtree. This flu is rotten, heaps of people I've talked to have had it/have it, I haven't had a flu like this in years (maybe never).

Its made me think of what it would be like to race in a MotoGP feeling like .... - I'd rather come back when I am feeling like my head is 100% for sure but I know there would be heaps of pressure for him to turn up no matter what, i would hate to ride knowing I can't concentrate enough to do my best. Sure a physical injury would be ok, but the mind being in a different place sucks.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 11 2009, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you wouldn't live in the illawarra would you - been doing the rounds that one and man it is rotten.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brett @ Aug 11 2009, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha yes I do Gaz - Figtree. This flu is rotten, heaps of people I've talked to have had it/have it, I haven't had a flu like this in years (maybe never).

Its made me think of what it would be like to race in a MotoGP feeling like .... - I'd rather come back when I am feeling like my body is 100% for sure but I know there would be heaps of pressure for him to turn up no matter what, i would hate to ride knowing I am not healthy enough to do my best.


Mate, a few minutes up the road, home of the dogs here.

And yep, while I didn't have it my wife has and man I have not seen her so ill for years and only now is she starting to get back to some level of fitness and she does not do sports, so can only imagine how a minor illness for us affects a fit athlete.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 11 2009, 05:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mate, a few minutes up the road, home of the dogs here.

And yep, while I didn't have it my wife has and man I have not seen her so ill for years and only now is she starting to get back to some level of fitness and she does not do sports, so can only imagine how a minor illness for us affects a fit athlete.






Garry

I love the dogs, I'm out there a fair bit, its funny how people know Dapto a lot more than Wollongong when you travel because of the dogs.

Better keep to the subject - people don't understand what Stoner's going through, I will support him!

Unlucky Casey, get well soon!


Very lucky Kallio, what's going to happen if he wins on the duc? With Nicky making improvements every race, Kallio would make a good second rider for that team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 11 2009, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But all stoners test's as far as where told say he is ok, so it looks like its all in his head like it was fast freddie.

what would you say about a boxer who was paid millions but to scared to get in the ring ?

if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. free up the seat for another rider if you cant get your head straight. thats what you all said about malandri last year so same goes for stoner. lots of double standards here me thinks.


Rog. which bit says he's ok ?

I think they are saying the virus he had was detrimental ..... not a "happy time make me better virus" ............ you really do say the dumbest stuff Rog

While I'm at it can I come to Dr Rog. next time I feel poorly

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 11 2009, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But all stoners test's as far as where told say he is ok, so it looks like its all in his head like it was fast freddie.
As I have said previously roger, I find it odd that casey progressed from beating rossi and lorenzo at mugello, a victory which imo can only be attributed to skill and/or bravery given that the yamahas were faster both in full wet and full dry conditions, to psychological disintegration in the next race.

I am not sure spencer is the best example for your argument either. I only saw him in his declining years and wondered at least a little why there was such hype concerning him, but have read in recent years that he had an undiagnosed physical problem, I think carpal tunnel syndrome although the symptoms described could do for compartment syndrome. On the other hand as we have discussed fast freddie does illustrate that no matter how talented a rider may be or even how great a record of achievement he might have, non-performance for whatever reason over a sufficient length of time can end a career.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Fabrizi...ure+with+Pramac

Fabrizio joins Pramac.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 10 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But all stoners test's as far as where told say he is ok, so it looks like its all in his head like it was fast freddie.


Roger, I think the key part is 'as far as we're told' which is 100% correct and means that we likely do not know anywhere near the truth in terms of what may or may not have been diagnosed by the doctors.

Nor do I think that we have a right to know or demand to know the cause and/or diagnosis that has been determined thus far (if indeed there has been one) as there must always be confidentiality between doctors and patients. It is very true to say that what of a broken arm type of injury but they are a clearly definied injury which known effects and prognosis and that information would generally be released with the full knowledge of the affected rider.

To me, if Stoner has been diagnosed with an illness and chooses not to release it publically then so be it as that is his right and we (the general populace) would not want our medical records released so the same rules should apply for athletes.


By the way Roger, just using your choice of words as a highlight as they are extremely true as we only know what has been released thus far and given that Ducati say one thing whereas CS himself denies it, means there is much conjecture and some questions as to the motives (of Ducati to make their statement).






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 11 2009, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger, I think the key part is 'as far as we're told' which is 100% correct and means that we likely do not know anywhere near the truth in terms of what may or may not have been diagnosed by the doctors.

Nor do I think that we have a right to know or demand to know the cause and/or diagnosis that has been determined thus far (if indeed there has been one) as there must always be confidentiality between doctors and patients. It is very true to say that what of a broken arm type of injury but they are a clearly definied injury which known effects and prognosis and that information would generally be released with the full knowledge of the affected rider.

To me, if Stoner has been diagnosed with an illness and chooses not to release it publically then so be it as that is his right and we (the general populace) would not want our medical records released so the same rules should apply for athletes.


By the way Roger, just using your choice of words as a highlight as they are extremely true as we only know what has been released thus far and given that Ducati say one thing whereas CS himself denies it, means there is much conjecture and some questions as to the motives (of Ducati to make their statement).






Garry
I totally agree gaz, it is his right as to whether his illness information is made public or not which is why i used that phrase. Although generally in sports at this level the information leaks out eventually. im sure sponsors will want to know whats going on for contractual purposes i would think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 11 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally agree gaz, it is his right as to whether his illness information is made public or not which is why i used that phrase. Although generally in sports at this level the information leaks out eventually. im sure sponsors will want to know whats going on for contractual purposes i would think.

That sentence may very well be the reason behind the different comments from Ducati and Stoner.

All hypothetical (which is the whole argument anyway) but Ducati would want to release a statement that shows hope and is seen as 'positive' whereas CS is not exactly known for sugar coating thengs (thus why he is often criticised).

In time I do expect something to leak out or be released but I also fully suspect that it will not be for sometime yet as from reports he still has some work/tests to be done. Hopefully though, in the end something tangible is found and can be corrected in some way such that he can get on with his life irrespective of whether that involves motorcycles.





Garry

I wonder if this could lead to Stoner ending his career.

Hope Kallio does well anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Aug 10 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well to bad we just watch 2 way battle (rossi & lorenzo)
so stoner will be on 4th place and pedrobot another 3rd place

Hell, I hadn’t seen that one yet, I sure Piug will be all over Honda: “You see, my protégé and I are always right… Being 3rd is like being 1st if you had given us the precise bike from the start. First it’s your fault, second it’s not our fault. If you take away those advantaged bad boys blue and white bikes, we won… Come along my son, you and I can play dolls at home!”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hell, I hadn’t seen that one yet, I sure Piug will be all over Honda: “You see, my protégé and I are always right… Being 3rd is like being 1st if you had given us the precise bike from the start. First it’s your fault, second it’s not our fault. If you take away those advantaged bad boys blue and white bikes, we won… Come along my son, you and I can play dolls at home!”



Pedrosa needs to finish something other then 3rd this year, so he will change his number again. Although he does look good with the Biaggi replica.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 11 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>


Pedrosa needs to finish something other then 3rd this year, so he will change his number again. Although he does look good with the Biaggi replica.
Rumor has it, Danni has been trying to grow a swashbuckler stash like Max's for years now. Just can't get it to fill in. Look closely if you have hd tv you may just see it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 11 2009, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog. which bit says he's ok ?

I think they are saying the virus he had was detrimental ..... not a "happy time make me better virus" ............ you really do say the dumbest stuff Rog

While I'm at it can I come to Dr Rog. next time I feel poorly


actually rog is rite, a race ot two ago when stoner visiting somewhere with other riders before the practice started there was a interview on motogp.com and they ask stoner how he was feeling... he said he was feeling totally fine through the week and come practice is where his problems start, he even looked fine...they also asked him about his tests in another interview and he said they done every test possible found nothing what so ever.

if he had a virus they would have picked it up in his bloods.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Aug 11 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if he had a virus they would have picked it up in his bloods.
There's no guarantee of that. It's not like there's just some quick "does he have a virus" blood test and plenty of blood tests are not perfectly reliable, either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Aug 11 2009, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont think anyone wishes harm to any of the riders. Like ive said before, i like Casey, and he is a good rider (not great). Its just his whining and excusses that pisses people off. Holding his arm when he goes out for warm ups, quali's etc, just sort of "planting the seed" if things dont go his way. Its all a bit poncey really. Just wish he would get on with it, if he has a bad season (if finishing in the top 4 or 5 is bad!!) well so be it!!, on to the next one,....... learn from it.

Yes squating next to his bike everytime he gets on the thing (strangely not needed in a flag to flag swap..which is odd in itself) and pulling his undies out of his arse every bloody time he leaves the pit lane...It's all a bit poncey really. Just wish he would get on with it...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Aug 11 2009, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes squating next to his bike everytime he gets on the thing (strangely not needed in a flag to flag swap..which is odd in itself) and pulling his undies out of his arse every bloody time he leaves the pit lane...It's all a bit poncey really. Just wish he would get on with it...


You do realize the time to get it on is when the red light goes out. What about Casey taking a year and a half to complete the warm up lap

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 11 2009, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude you .... on people all the time. How many gay vale jokes have you made? So a .... talker telling me about talking ..... ..... please!
Whatever loser cause that is what they are is JOKES. If you can't take that joke then .... off. I know Vale is a poon hound but all of you Vale ... biters are so in the tank for the guy he could kill a bag full of puppies and you would still make excuses as to why it was ok cause it was vale. SO when anyone makes a joke about Vale you get sooooo offended. Get over it. Really now who is the little .....! LOL