Casey Stoner Rumors, Still sick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 18 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong! What about Speedy Gonzalez?


Sheeet. Yah beat me to it.

Re: Vermin.... cool.

Sorry, will delete now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 18 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hook in my face? That's a laugh. You're under the illusion that I (or anyone else) give a .... about anything you say. You're one of those pathetic internet characters with zero social skills - and zero friends - whose only capacity for social connection with other humans comes in the form of saying stupid things so that people will respond, when otherwise - they would ignore you like trash by the side of the road. I see your desperate attempts to be noticed and I feel that anyone as sadly desperate for attention - should be responded to - even if the form of response is abuse - the only form of social interaction you are capable of stimulating. It's the least I can do - and the most you deserve. If it were not for all the insults and negative replies to your idiotic posts - no-one would be talking to you at all. You're that pathetic.

And really - I don't mind taking a few minutes a day to insult you - even if in the end you're too dim to appreciate how insipid you are - pearls before swine and all that. A witty insult (unlike the sophomoric drivel that escapes your face) is like a good poem. I enjoy the creative process of finding new ways of insulting you. It keeps my writing skills sharp.

You are wrong on so many levels, and a hypocrite. Try coming back with something funny or witty instead of the same old new york "go .... off" attitude. I am the pathetic internet character with zero social skills and zero friends? I didn't see you in indy at the meet up meeting & socializing. You were probably in your mothers basement just waiting for someone to tell a joke you don't like so you can go out of the way to insult them. .... you probably already had the rant written down. Your just the normal every day run of the mill internet bully, and unfortunately nothing in your previous post is correct about me, but nice try. I look forward to your hell fire and brimstone angry response but do a little research on me next time before hand. Kashav my number 1 internet admirer errr I mean stalker. Later hater.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 18 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are wrong on so many levels, and a hypocrite. Try coming back with something funny or witty instead of the same old new york "go .... off" attitude. I am the pathetic internet character with zero social skills and zero friends? I didn't see you in indy at the meet up meeting & socializing. You were probably in your mothers basement just waiting for someone to tell a joke you don't like so you can go out of the way to insult them. .... you probably already had the rant written down. Your just the normal every day run of the mill internet bully, and unfortunately nothing in your previous post is correct about me, but nice try. I look forward to your hell fire and brimstone angry response but do a little research on me next time before hand. Kashav my number 1 internet admirer errr I mean stalker. Later hater.

Nobody is stalking you. Again - you're delusional. If you'd stop making assinine replies
to my regular posts, I'd ignore you the same way I do your compatriots Talpa, Tom and Pinky.
But since you see fit to provoke me with your moronic comments - I will continue to point out
how brainless you are. It's that simple. Don't make idiotic comments about my posts and I won't
feel the need to keep cutting you down. Don't bring it on yourself. Do you have that much self
control?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 18 2009, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong! What about Speedy Gonzalez?

And me with the Stats mate … Remember I even got to correct MotoGP’s info on Stats in a Race. I think they hadn´t corrected a deduction from a link when I got it! (I also have my flukes, mainly when I forget to filter correctly ).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 18 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I gather from jumkie's post that you are from mexico

As you can see from my Avatar’s Info; yeap, I am from Mexico. We do have great beer! Maybe that is the problem, too much Tequila and Beer!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 18 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and I guess opportunities there to pursue motor bike racing from a very young age which seems to be what is required are more limited than in italy, spain, the usa or australia.

You are correct, I for example got my first track day (Not even a real Bikes’ track but a Gokart’s) at 35.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 18 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you do get a competitor who is a compatriot, you may well find yourself feeling inclined to support them, and this will be no disrepect to valentino .

As I said before Michael, don’t worry… There has not been Mexican Riders in MotoGP / WSB, that’s the way it is. I am ok with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 17 2009, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I seem to recall you saying that valentino was widely derided in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome .

Your boy valentino may very well win tomorrow, depending on how hard he wants to push which may in turn relate to how jorge is situated. It is hard to know what conditions will be during the race and how they will relate to conditions during practice and qualifying.
Interesting how you only recall what you feel might detract from my post, I never said all Aussies suffer this syndrome, only some here like you.... And once again you wrong with the rest of it, but hang on how could rossi lose to someone with inferior equipment, I thought only jl was allowed to beat him???

I've only just realized that I'm rolling in the mud with all the pigs in this thread, bar gaz, pointless really, I must be bored time to find a thread with some better participants!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 17 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>proves that most of us Aussies aren't as blinded as some of the ones that lurk here......
Again you initiate the negativity, and complain about others when they respond. I am actually on fairly good terms with most of the real rossi fans on here, and argued against the more over the top stoner fans in 2007 when stoner was winning. I also, like gaz, seldom say anything negative about valentino de novo, at least partly for the very good reason that there is very little negative to say about him ; on the other hand your opening gambit on most threads is usually something very negative about stoner, followed up by personal abuse of anyone who disagrees with you.

Most of what you interpret as detracting fron rossi on my part consists of me pointing out that behaviour or utterances which you consider to be evidence of casey's nefarious character are common to other riders including valentino, and not necessarily anything I would criticise either of them for; for instance I had little problem with valentino complaining about his tyres in 2007, and am on record saying this on many pages in the multitudinous threads addressing the issue at the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 18 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And once again you wrong with the rest of it, but hang on how could rossi lose to someone with inferior equipment
Again you don't address the point I made, just one that you would like to answer. What I implied is what many rossi fans have said after the race, basically that jorge was the one valentino needed to beat, and that there would be little incentive for him to go all out just to beat stoner. An argument or theory that predicts events, in scientific circles anyway, is often regarded as having gone some way towards being proven, but apparently not in the talpa philosophy.

As for the technical advantage argument in general, it would be absurd and deserving of your scorn if anyone argued that valentino had only won his 8 going on 9 world championships because of technical advantages, particularly since as everyone knows he specifically signed to ride a bike in 2004 which it would appear rather likely didn't have a technical advantage before his advent. The point is that he has not always but often had technical advantages, usually I would agree in large part due to his own efforts; it is in fact a major part of his job to attempt to gain such technical advantages, and I have no problem with him having had technical advantages on occasion. What I did find a bit rich was supporters of a rider who has always ridden a factory honda or yamaha complaining about a rider riding for a manufacturer always at best 3rd in the pecking order having a technical advantage in one single year, and particularly that the exploitation of any such advantage required little or no input from the rider concerned when as it has subsequently emerged the thing was something of a beast requiring the rider to balance it on a knife edge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I did find a bit rich was supporters of a rider who has always ridden a factory honda or yamaha complaining about a rider riding for a manufacturer always at best 3rd in the pecking order having a technical advantage in one single year, and particularly that the exploitation of any such advantage required little or no input from the rider concerned when as it has subsequently emerged the thing was something of a beast requiring the rider to balance it on a knife edge.

I think Stoner's title does more for the 'its the rider not the bike' argument than Rossi's Yamaha job when you consider the equipment they were using. What Rossi has done at Yamaha is show that the quality of the bike is first and foremost a function of the rider input used to develop it, rather than the engineers back at the office. Rossi didn't win on an inferior bike to show he could make the difference, he worked hard with his people at the track to develop an inferior bike into a winner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 19 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What Rossi has done at Yamaha is show that the quality of the bike is first and foremost a function of the rider input used to develop it, rather than the engineers back at the office. Rossi didn't win on an inferior bike to show he could make the difference, he worked hard with his people at the track to develop an inferior bike into a winner.
I agree, although I think his riding did have something to do with it as well. I think developing the bikes is something he particularly enjoys, and is something for which he would seem to have some talent .

My point which I have made before is that in the long sweep of history it is fairly uncommon for ducati or suzuki to have a technical advantage compared to honda or yamaha.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 19 2009, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, although I think his riding did have something to do with it as well. I think developing the bikes is something he particularly enjoys, and is something for which he would seem to have some talent .

My point which I have made before is that in the long sweep of history it is fairly uncommon for ducati or suzuki to have a technical advantage compared to honda or yamaha.

Yes there is no doubt Rossi's riding played a large role, but i think the rapid and significant changes to the bike, followed by the machines dominance the following seaosn are the most important parts of the story.

I agree about Ducati or Suzuki in the most part, but it is very rare in recent times for ANYONE to have a technical advantage over Honda and Yamaha. But like Rossi has shown, this is due in part to these teames aquiring the best personel (riders and cheif engineers etc). The two go hand in hand and can easily lead to total domination like we have seen from Honda in the past, where the best bikes are ridden by the best riders and nobody else can get a look in until someone taking the risk to be different gets it right, usually by discovering something or someone that was previously overlooked (like KRJR or Bridgestone tyres).

Thats the way i see it anyway