Casey Stoner Rumors, Still sick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 16 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm losing my touch.

Give it time, give it time.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 16 2009, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah GS, yer not loosing your touch... its just in this thread your post has to be over 1000 words, by law ya know...

...., never did word count - but fark yeah, true and nice little line - just pissed I didn't think of it.




But do quoted words count?








Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 15 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm losing my touch.

Definitely, when you said Rossi in tenth I was thinking yeah thats reasonable. If you would have said, say 13th, I would have to have jumped in a spoken up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 15 2009, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but when are you gonna say anything of substance? So far your entire arguments have been a poster child case study on classical Logical Fallacies (you probably don't even know what this means since you commit them ad nausea). And though you probably are not aware you've used just about all of them (your five favorites): red herrings, ad hominem, appeal to authority, appeal to belief, burden of proof, oh but you haven't limited yourself to just these, as well as, appeal to ridicule, appeal to spite, hasty generalization, ignoring common sense, relativist fallacy, post hoc, etc. etc. Geez, you've employed them all and counting. Gaz has been patient and has debunked and rebutted every weak argument you've presented. Oh, but that hasn't stopped you from talking yourself into circles. Much of your premises revolve around the jewel of seeking the press release issued that proves a negative. What world do you live in? Geez, even people have questioned whether we landed on the moon. Fact vs opinion, that's your entire defense. Do you need a press release to tell you the sun came up this morning? Rossi had clear advantages and preferential treatment many times throughout his career; many times it's been exclusive. The Rossi Mindless have made a forum career out of telling us how others won because Rossi suffered some unfortunate something or other or that his rival had some advantage at the time (say they admit this anomaly); but have failed to admit all the exclusive advantages enjoyed by Rossi. Does that make Rossi a .... rider, no. He's still extraordinary. It's simple enough, its common knowledge enough, and this game is not new or unique to this sport. Its a simple fact of life, it happens. Admit it, recognize it, and move on (oh but I know you won't). The only problem is that the Rossi cult live in an alternate universe where reality ceases to exist and double standards of argument are the staple of membership. Tapla, you're one of many that has this mindset, and its most amusing to see you struggle in your attempt to cross over your irrational arguments into the real universe, but as long as somebody is willing to hand you a shovel, I'm more than entertained to see you keep digging.


AWESOME!

Dude, you're Baloney Basher is in overdrive. You've been practicing in your spare time?? http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 16 2009, 07:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh Jum.....of course I would expect a long-winded semi-intellectual response from you right at the end of it all as you couldn't really contribute anything else constructive......what the .... is your problem man!!! Most members enjoyed the debate if nothing it was entertaining, but you of course need to to draw a line-there has to be a winner-why?

Only in YOUR twisted bias mind could you conclude that anyone is a winner or loser here because of course its all from your bias point of view.
And .... off I need to a press release to know to sun comes up ........, I live is SEQ-OZ, we don't have the smog that seems to blind you and keep you an angry little man.

Why can't I ask for facts from those who throw out allegations? .... off I can and I will! Surely if you are so wise you know that to persecute requires evidence if it ever is to gain legitimacy. I suggest that you are the one displaying the ultimate double standard, what gives you the right to throw out allegations without proof, and then say that other arguments are debunked because they oppose your point of view? who do you think you are-god?

And the Rossi fans don't live in a cult like universe, most of them are people who love motorcycling racing, enjoy being entertained and respect incredible talent, whats wrong with this? Nothing of course.

I have supported this sport for 25 years, followed WG, MD, WR, KS, EL, Loris, KRJR, KM, Garry Mcoy, Barros, VR, JL and many more and fans like you really ....... piss me off, Parochial, Bias, miss-informed, heavily opinionated, close-minded, presumptuous.......the list goes on and your not alone, unfortunately.

Most of Gaz and my debate was around his unwillingness to provide us with a sarcastic response to VR detractors here as he did with CS, but you left that out didn't you, just focus on your bias as usual, you didn't see any flaws in Gaz's points? Even he did! Funny that you bring up the logical fallices as you are more guilty of displaying all of their traits than anyone-takes one to know one.

I'm not digging mate, just looking down into the hole at you.

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I can't believe you live in the same part of the world as me!

As far as your rant against Jumkie, I am sure Jumkie expected it as we all did. You are just straight up blind to the fact that you are so blantantly one sided and therefore you think your interpretation is fact when it is just a biased interpretation. What is truely funny about your posts is that you think you are offerring a balanced view. You would do well on FOX News - Fair and Balanced!

Before you come back and say I offer an unbalanced view I admit it. I am a Casey Stoner fan. I used to be a Rossi fan (even have a Rossi flag!) but when your like came out of the closet to slag off our compatriot Stoner, my respect and admiration for Rossi was lost behind a cloud of hatred of his fans.

Just to set the record straight on fan memorabilia the only other fan stuff I own is the Bayliss replica helmut I ride in.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 15 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, truth hurts.


You have no idea how much pleasure it gave me to read your post. At very least I should thank you.

(hey, btw, you are pretty good at satire after all, your post had me laughing my ... off)


Don't take anything on this forum to heart dude. Its all fun & games.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 15 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh Jum.....of course I would expect a long-winded semi-intellectual response from you right at the end of it all as you couldn't really contribute anything else constructive......what the .... is your problem man!!! Most members enjoyed the debate if nothing it was entertaining, but you of course need to to draw a line-there has to be a winner-why?

Only in YOUR twisted bias mind could you conclude that anyone is a winner or loser here because of course its all from your bias point of view.
And .... off I need to a press release to know to sun comes up ........, I live is SEQ-OZ, we don't have the smog that seems to blind you and keep you an angry little man.

Why can't I ask for facts from those who throw out allegations? .... off I can and I will! Surely if you are so wise you know that to persecute requires evidence if it ever is to gain legitimacy. I suggest that you are the one displaying the ultimate double standard, what gives you the right to throw out allegations without proof, and then say that other arguments are debunked because they oppose your point of view? who do you think you are-god?

And the Rossi fans don't live in a cult like universe, most of them are people who love motorcycling racing, enjoy being entertained and respect incredible talent, whats wrong with this? Nothing of course.

I have supported this sport for 25 years, followed WG, MD, WR, KS, EL, Loris, KRJR, KM, Garry Mcoy, Barros, VR, JL and many more and fans like you really ....... piss me off, Parochial, Bias, miss-informed, heavily opinionated, close-minded, presumptuous.......the list goes on and your not alone, unfortunately.

Most of Gaz and my debate was around his unwillingness to provide us with a sarcastic response to VR detractors here as he did with CS, but you left that out didn't you, just focus on your bias as usual, you didn't see any flaws in Gaz's points? Even he did! Funny that you bring up the logical fallices as you are more guilty of displaying all of their traits than anyone-takes one to know one.

I'm not digging mate, just looking down into the hole at you.

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You do realise your reply actually demonstrates many of the logical fallacies jumkie mentions, particularly argumentum ad hominem? Jumkie has at no stage resorted to personal abuse against you, he has merely ridiculed your arguments. If you can reply in kind as far as arguments go, he will actually respect it.

A rumors thread is hotter than J-Lo's .... Nice!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 15 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yer all bigger muppets for replying to SS56.

....... guilty as charged. I gotta join SS56 Anonymous.
When it comes to people that stupid, I am powerless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Oct 16 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A rumors thread is hotter than J-Lo's .... Nice!

You should see the Forums and Discussions at the Spanish Press & Media! Participants barely mention Stoner!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 16 2009, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I did have a reply to all of your points but then thought nah, fark it as we have raved on to long so deleted it and have made teh concious decision to stop now before I get giddy.

Has been fun Talpa, and I could go on for a while but nope, not going to.

To the avid followers of the discussion, apologies but stay tuned as I am sure there will be fiture epsiodes

To those for whom we have cured insomnia - payment in beers is accepted and enjoy your sleep










Gaz

Cool Mate......has been fun I agree and hope you get the Job, glad you got my post Jum, others didn't be hey-whats new........


PI looks great, hope we get a good race result, and for the internationals check out the masses of support for VR and indeed motorcycle racing down there, proves that most of us Aussies aren't as blinded as some of the ones that lurk here......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Oct 17 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>PI looks great, hope we get a good race result, and for the internationals check out the masses of support for VR and indeed motorcycle racing down there, proves that most of us Aussies aren't as blinded as some of the ones that lurk here......
I seem to recall you saying that valentino was widely derided in australia because of the tall poppy syndrome .

Your boy valentino may very well win tomorrow, depending on how hard he wants to push which may in turn relate to how jorge is situated. It is hard to know what conditions will be during the race and how they will relate to conditions during practice and qualifying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 16 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should see the Forums and Discussions at the Spanish Press & Media! Participants barely mention Stoner!
I am not sure what your point is, perhaps that valentino is an international superstar or the benchmark in motogp, with both of which it is to difficult to disagree, or that you are unbiased because nobody from your country has recently won a world championship.

Regardless of spanish or any other fan forums stoner did actually win the 2007 world championship, which whilst becoming a matter of history is still a little more recent than any premier class championship win by a spanish rider, and for which he deserves some credit (even more so because valentino was in the field). I have never claimed this makes him valentino's equal, but surely valentino's six going on seven premier class championships are such a significant achievement because even winning one is somewhat difficult .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 16 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....... guilty as charged. I gotta join SS56 Anonymous.
When it comes to people that stupid, I am powerless.
stupid is as stupid does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 17 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stupid is as stupid does.

Somehow - there's nothing more stupid than a person incapable of
recognizing irony. If there was a scale indicating the bottom-most
rung in a spectrum of things that lack awareness (like rocks,
hammers and doorknobs) - it would have your picture on it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 17 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Somehow - there's nothing more stupid than a person incapable of
recognizing irony. If there was a scale indicating the bottom-most
rung in a spectrum of things that lack awareness (like rocks,
hammers and doorknobs) - it would have your picture on it.
And he bites again. There is nothing stupider than bitting at the same worm over and over just to get a hook in your face. So take your own advise on irony.

I think we know where the bad fish came from that Jlo ate, it came from Nu Yawk. The kesha-fish will keep you sick for months, goodbye championship.

Re-quoting:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Oct 16 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A rumors thread is hotter than J-Lo's .... Nice!

You should see the ones at the Spanish Press & Media! Participants barely mention Stoner!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure what your point is, perhaps that valentino is an international superstar or the benchmark in motogp, with both of which it is to difficult to disagree

I was just clearing that what was stated about a ‘Rumors thread is hotter than J-Lo’s ...’, was not the same on other Forums (from Spain) where whatever Lorenzo or Pedrosa do is hotter than even Agostini or Doohan!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or that you are unbiased because nobody from your country has recently won a world championship

I don’t think anybody from my Country has ever even participated in MotoGP mate (nor in WSB). It is sad for me, I know, but that is the way it is!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 17 2009, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Regardless of spanish or any other fan forums stoner did actually win the 2007 world championship, which whilst becoming a matter of history is still a little more recent than any premier class championship win by a spanish rider, and for which he deserves some credit (even more so because valentino was in the field). I have never claimed this makes him valentino's equal, but surely valentino's six going on seven premier class championships are such a significant achievement because even winning one is somewhat difficult.



Sorry to admit it, but I am biased (as anyone) towards Rossi's achievements mainly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 18 2009, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t think anybody from my Country has ever even participated in MotoGP mate (nor in WSB). It is sad for me, I know, but that is the way it is!

Wrong! What about Speedy Gonzalez?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 18 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don’t think anybody from my Country has ever even participated in MotoGP mate (nor in WSB). It is sad for me, I know, but that is the way it is!
I gather from jumkie's post that you are from mexico, and I guess opportunities there to pursue motor bike racing from a very young age which seems to be what is required are more limited than in italy, spain, the usa or australia.

When you do get a competitor who is a compatriot, you may well find yourself feeling inclined to support them, and this will be no disrepect to valentino .

.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 17 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And he bites again. There is nothing stupider than bitting at the same worm over and over just to get a hook in your face. So take your own advise on irony.

I think we know where the bad fish came from that Jlo ate, it came from Nu Yawk. The kesha-fish will keep you sick for months, goodbye championship.

Hook in my face? That's a laugh. You're under the illusion that I (or anyone else) give a .... about anything you say. You're one of those pathetic internet characters with zero social skills - and zero friends - whose only capacity for social connection with other humans comes in the form of saying stupid things so that people will respond, when otherwise - they would ignore you like trash by the side of the road. I see your desperate attempts to be noticed and I feel that anyone as sadly desperate for attention - should be responded to - even if the form of response is abuse - the only form of social interaction you are capable of stimulating. It's the least I can do - and the most you deserve. If it were not for all the insults and negative replies to your idiotic posts - no-one would be talking to you at all. You're that pathetic.

And really - I don't mind taking a few minutes a day to insult you - even if in the end you're too dim to appreciate how insipid you are - pearls before swine and all that. A witty insult (unlike the sophomoric drivel that escapes your face) is like a good poem. I enjoy the creative process of finding new ways of insulting you. It keeps my writing skills sharp.