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Capirossi to Kawasaki

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps, I don't think they should until they get the factory bike competitive, unfortunately this will depend largely on the rider they get.

The bike is competative. I think it is fully capable of winning races and think it may actually be a better bike than the suzuki is now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike is competative. I think it is fully capable of winning races and think it may actually be a better bike than the suzuki is now.

Why do you think this?

Is Randy not getting the best out of it?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike is competative. I think it is fully capable of winning races and think it may actually be a better bike than the suzuki is now.

You really are a fckin ....... You have got to be kidding dont you? The Suzuki has had victories and regular podiums this year.. I think Randy has ridden the Kwak to its maximum (top 5) and sometimes beyond (crashing) ..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Jul 10 2007, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really are a fckin .......

This isn't very nice is it now.
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My logic is that Randy is getting 5th and 6th places on the bike despite being the head of the team (which he shouldn't be) and coming back from injury. He is only in his second season still and although i think he is doing a fantastic job, i don't think hes quite ready to ride with the likes of Rossi and Stoner where i think more experienced riders (think Melandri or Hopper) could take that bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 10 2007, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike is competative. I think it is fully capable of winning races and think it may actually be a better bike than the suzuki is now.

I totally agree, I think Kawasaki would have had a victory by now or in the very near future if Nakano was still riding for them. If they get a Melandri or a Capirossi then they will do much better than they are at the moment.

The worst move in terms of team changes last year Nakano leaving Kawasaki for Honda...ruined his MotoGP career that move, much like Tamada thinking he could ride on Michelins...

Ant West will get a ride next year on some team since he is doing enough to impress teams looking for some fire...LCR, Konica Minolta, Tech 3, D'Antin, and even probably Gresini.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 10 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ant West will get a ride next year on some team since he is doing enough to impress teams looking for some fire...LCR, Konica Minolta, Tech 3, D'Antin, and even probably Gresini.

Let's hope so
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 9 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont know to what extent you speak but racing is a young mans game.Age is a huge factor in performance weather it be reflexes or just desire.Unless you are superhuman,at a certain point your skills start to erode,like it or not.The best years of an Athlete's life are between 24-30 and then the skills will slowly start to decline along with the desire,especially in a dangerous sport such as GP.You get to a point in life where there is to much to lose by pushing the razors edge so you dont and the difference in the razors edge and not might be only 1/10 of a second a lap.Somebody can go look it up but im going to guess that there hasnt been to many MotoGp Champs over 35 years old.So yes,age plays a huge roll in performance.
age has nothing to do with performance,well not the ages where talking about anyway,
troy bayliss 30.3.1969
troy corser 27.11.1971
mat mladin 10.3.72
miguel duhamel 26.5.1968
ben bostrom 7.5.74
loris capirossi 4.4.74, lets not for get he came 3rd last year in the championship.
and then just to rubbish this anybody over 30 needs a walking stick,pipe and slippers.
lance armstrong 18.9.71. won le tour for the last time in 2005 at 34 years old.
i bet there are loads of older athletes who wre still performing, infact i could pick a list a mile long of young sportsman who are not performing, whats there excuse ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 10 2007, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I went back 30 years and here are the numbers,you can comprehend them any way you like but i believe i am vindicated.To start with i said i dont remember any champions over 35 and that is true,at least for the last 30 years.

77 Sheene [27]
78,79,80 Roberts [27,28,29]
81 Luchinelli [27]
82 Uncini [27]
83 Spencer [23]
84 Lawson [26]
85 Spencer [25]
86 Lawson [28]
87 Gardner [28]
88 Lawson [30]
89Lawson [31]
90,91,92 Rainey [30,31,32]
93 Schwantz [29]
94,95,96,97,98 Doohan [29,30,31,32,33]
99 Criville [29]
2000 Roberts Jr [27]
01,02,03,04,05,Rossi [22,23,24,25,26]
06 Hayden [26]

I also quoted that 24-30 are the best years of an athletes life,that also appears to be true with 26-29 being the zenith.In the last 30 years only only six titles have been won by riders over 30 and those six were by 3 riders.If anyone would like to go back further maybe it would prove out different but in the time frame since i started following GP the numbers speak for themselves
so according to this rossi is in his prime, and im sure you will agree, there are many factors in getting a motogp world championship ,like team bike tyres ect, i think age is not one of them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>troy corser 27.11.1071

.... me! I knew he was getting on a bit but....
 
[quote name='roger-m' date='Jul 10 2007, 07:57 AM' post='77329']
age has nothing to do with performance,well not the ages where talking about anyway,
troy bayliss 30.3.1969
troy corser 27.11.1971
mat mladin 10.3.72
miguel duhamel 26.5.1968
ben bostrom 7.5.74
loris capirossi 4.4.74, lets not for get he came 3rd last year in the championship.
and then just to rubbish this anybody over 30 needs a walking stick,pipe and slippers.
lance armstrong 18.9.71. won le tour for the last time in 2005 at 34 years old.
i bet there are loads of older athletes who wre still performing, infact i could pick a list a mile long of young sportsman who are not performing, whats there excuse ??
so according to this rossi is in his prime, and im sure you will agree, there are many factors in getting a motogp world championship ,like team bike tyres ect, i think age is not one of them.

So i guess its just a coincidence that in 30 years not 1 rider over 35 has won a GP title.I agree there are many factors to winning a GP title but even you should start detecting a pattern given the data right in front of your face.Somebody has to win a title in WSB and since its a graveyard for discarded GP riders chances are they will have some age on them.First we were talking Gp,not WSB,AMA,Tour de ....... France.And we were talking about titles.Out of your list above,Bayliss is the only one who won a title after 35 and it was certainly not in GP.If it makes you feel better you can count Duhamels Formula Extreme title when Honda was the only factory team on the grid.Ben Bostrom,what the hell has he done lately,Lance Armstrong,you Europeans need to make up your mind,was he juiced or not,you cant use him as example depending what debate your in,especially a debate about Gp riders.Bottom line,Gp DOES NOT PRODUCE champs over 35 years of age and i dont see it happening any time in the distant future
 
^^quote taken from povols posts

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The best years of an Athlete's life are between 24-30

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So i guess its just a coincidence that in 30 years not 1 rider over 35 has won a GP title

so your moving the goal posts now, you just add another 5 years to you argument.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>especially in a dangerous sport such as GP.

notice you said especially not exclusively which is why i mentioned lance armstrong to point out that older people can be very fit and age has nothing to do with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So i guess its just a coincidence that in 30 years not 1 rider over 35 has won a GP title
well you no, only one person can win the championship in a season , and i noticed you changed from 30 to 35 because doohan won a championship aged 33.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 9 2007, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I went back 30 years and here are the numbers,you can comprehend them any way you like but i believe i am vindicated.
Yup, that's what the numbers indicated.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 9 2007, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not going to do do the job to find the numbers, but I have a strong feeling you got it wrong when it comes to racing.
Well maybe you should, it may help with your credibility when formulating an opinion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what are you going on about ??
bloody welsh
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You had Corsers birth yeardown as 1071.

That'd make him over almost a thousand years old.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 9 2007, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. But 250cc isn't a feeder series, it is a grand prix world championship
In your own mind and a few head-in-the-sand guys too. Its a feeder, nothing else. Wake up and smell the reality and politics man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Ultimately the best riders get the rides, and those who don't deserve them get shifted for someone who does.
That's very ignorant and moreover so naive. Like I said, wake up and smell the politics.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner was factory Aprilia, and factory KTM for a little wile. The Honda 250 isn't quite as good as the Aprilia anyway, so Stoner was every bit as equiped as Dani in 2005 for example.

Ok, I've accepted that you pretent to know something about the AMA. But for you to throw in your two cents about 250s and be so off is amazing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>i don't think a rider like Stoner has had it particularly hard at all.

Agree, not "particularly" but certainly not as on a silver plater as Dani and Lorenzo.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^quote taken from povols posts
so your moving the goal posts now, you just add another 5 years to you argument.
notice you said especially not exclusively which is why i mentioned lance armstrong to point out that older people can be very fit and age has nothing to do with it.
well you no, only one person can win the championship in a season , and i noticed you changed from 30 to 35 because doohan won a championship aged 33.

Here is my quote

i dont know to what extent you speak but racing is a young mans game.Age is a huge factor in performance weather it be reflexes or just desire.Unless you are superhuman,at a certain point your skills start to erode,like it or not.The best years of an Athlete's life are between 24-30 and then the skills will slowly start to decline along with the desire,especially in a dangerous sport such as GP.You get to a point in life where there is to much to lose by pushing the razors edge so you dont and the difference in the razors edge and not might be only 1/10 of a second a lap.Somebody can go look it up but im going to guess that there hasnt been to many MotoGp Champs over 35 years old.So yes,age plays a huge roll in performance.


Now tell me where i moved the goal post Roger.That was typical you taking snippets and trying to use them to your advantage.I made 2 statements and both have been proven correct.Look at the ages of the past 30 Gp champions and tell me they are not in their prime between 24-30.The second quote was i cant remember a Gp champ over 35 and for the last 30 years there hasnt been one.You either drink way to much or you just dont comprehend stuff.or you really like to argue and make a fool of yourself. Either way, your act is old.Try being a man and admitting when your wrong sometimes,it doesnt hurt, i promise.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 10 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is my quote

i dont know to what extent you speak but racing is a young mans game.Age is a huge factor in performance weather it be reflexes or just desire.Unless you are superhuman,at a certain point your skills start to erode,like it or not.The best years of an Athlete's life are between 24-30 and then the skills will slowly start to decline along with the desire,especially in a dangerous sport such as GP.You get to a point in life where there is to much to lose by pushing the razors edge so you dont and the difference in the razors edge and not might be only 1/10 of a second a lap.Somebody can go look it up but im going to guess that there hasnt been to many MotoGp Champs over 35 years old.So yes,age plays a huge roll in performance.
Now tell me where i moved the goal post Roger.That was typical you taking snippets and trying to use them to your advantage.I made 2 statements and both have been proven correct.Look at the ages of the past 30 Gp champions and tell me they are not in their prime between 24-30.The second quote was i cant remember a Gp champ over 35 and for the last 30 years there hasnt been one.You either drink way to much or you just dont comprehend stuff.or you really like to argue and make a fool of yourself. Either way, your act is old.Try being a man and admitting when your wrong sometimes,it doesnt hurt, i promise.
try reading what i said, then you wont need to keep asking me to repeat myself. such comment dont make you look clever, they make you look immature.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 10 2007, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. In your own mind and a few head-in-the-sand guys too. Its a feeder, nothing else. Wake up and smell the reality and politics man.


2.That's very ignorant and moreover so naive. Like I said, wake up and smell the politics.

3. Ok, I've accepted that you pretent to know something about the AMA. But for you to throw in your two cents about 250s and be so off is amazing.

4. Agree, not "particularly" but certainly not as on a silver plater as Dani and Lorenzo.

1. the 250cc world championship in only a feeder series in the eyes grand prix "fans" who seem to have all popped up since the 4 stroke switch and commercialization of the sport for the public, i however can appreciate it as the world championship class it rightfully is.

2. Not many riders hang on to rides they don't deserve for long. They may get them more easily but they get booted for good riders just as quickly, and the real talent does always show through. You talk .... about how easy it is for Spaniards and Italians, but the USA and Australia are amongst the most represented nations out there.

3. As if you know any better.

4. He didn't get the "silver plater" they did because he didn't ride as well as they did.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 10 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>try reading what i said, then you wont need to keep asking me to repeat myself. such comment dont make you look clever, they make you look immature.

Way to change the subject Roger,where did i ask you to repeat yourself.You were proven wrong AGAIN and you accused me of changing my story.You are allways making outlandish staements that some people call you on and some dont.I will call ........ when someone habitually makes silly statements without thinking them thru.Had i made the silly statement that aging has no effects on performance and some one showed me in black and white that it without a doubt does,i would have to say i was wrong.But you dont have it in you i guess.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 10 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Way to change the subject Roger,where did i ask you to repeat yourself.You were proven wrong AGAIN and you accused me of changing my story.You are allways making outlandish staements that some people call you on and some dont.I will call ........ when someone habitually makes silly statements without thinking them thru.Had i made the silly statement that aging has no effects on performance and some one showed me in black and white that it without a doubt does,i would have to say i was wrong.But you dont have it in you i guess.
Oh don't worry about it Povol. Trust me I have shown (as oppose to just say) Roger (and a few others here like Babel) plenty of times that they are flat wrong, don't expect an acknowledgment of it.

When they use a red herring, just read between the lines, its code for--oops, I stuck my foot in my mouth.


But Roger is a cool chap, just offer him a drink, he'll be your buddy in no time.
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