Can Marquez Bested At Silverstone?
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In this era of wayward sycophants searching for a new MotoGP god, "hating" is merely the act of not worshipping at the alter of St. Marky Marq Wahlberg (the greatest new kid on the block, evar!).
The champion-in-waiting is a very good rider, but I'm not about to crown him king of GP. First, he's not racing against the king of the last MotoGP era, who's also #4 on the all time premier-class wins list. Second, Marquez has never seen a tire from the tire war, unlike the #1 rider on the all-time premier class wins list. Furthermore, Marquez is beating up on Spain's most-successful MotoGP rider (#7 premier class wins), who is stuck on a bike without critical systems like seamless gearshift.
The bikes lose another liter of fuel next season. If Yamaha add the seamless gearbox to the M1, and Honda go into another 800cc-funk as they search for cornerspeed, you're going to be answering lots of question about why you guzzled the Marquez kook-aid with millions of Spanish teenage girls.
I thought it was bad when the Rossi-boppers terrorized cyberspace, but now we've got the Marquez-zombies.
The champion-in-waiting is a very good rider, but I'm not about to crown him king of GP. First, he's not racing against the king of the last MotoGP era, who's also #4 on the all time premier-class wins list. Second, Marquez has never seen a tire from the tire war, unlike the #1 rider on the all-time premier class wins list. Furthermore, Marquez is beating up on Spain's most-successful MotoGP rider (#7 premier class wins), who is stuck on a bike without critical systems like seamless gearshift.
The bikes lose another liter of fuel next season. If Yamaha add the seamless gearbox to the M1, and Honda go into another 800cc-funk as they search for cornerspeed, you're going to be answering lots of question about why you guzzled the Marquez kook-aid with millions of Spanish teenage girls.
I thought it was bad when the Rossi-boppers terrorized cyberspace, but now we've got the Marquez-zombies.
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Exactly ! When Spies arrived in MotoGP they created the Rookie rule especially for him. Even though he managed to kick some ... and get his on a factory yamaha he got incredibly suspiciously unlucky (things like engine burn out and tire falling into pieces).
Then MM arrives , rookie rule removed, he's got the best bike of the track.
I'd say someone some master of puppets in the shadow of the Dorna pulls some strings.
bending of the rulebook
<span style="font-size:18px;bending of the rulebook
<span style="font-size:24px;bending of the rulebook
Exactly ! When Spies arrived in MotoGP they created the Rookie rule especially for him. Even though he managed to kick some ... and get his on a factory yamaha he got incredibly suspiciously unlucky (things like engine burn out and tire falling into pieces).
Then MM arrives , rookie rule removed, he's got the best bike of the track.
I'd say someone some master of puppets in the shadow of the Dorna pulls some strings.
Yamaha should not hesitate. They should install the seamless transmission for Silverstone. If it had not been for Marquez passing and re passing Jorge causing him to use up his energy reserves I don't feel like that Dani could have got by him so easily.
Total race time length for the last two races puts Lorenzo only 3 - 5 seconds behind Marc and a seamless transmission could make up that time if it is installed before the kid perfects his style and speed even more. He's gonna get better.
Edit - the seamless needs to be installed for Silverstone. I have thought of this all day while I was away from my computer. This is all I can come up with at the moment. Can anyone expand or formulate another plan?
Total race time length for the last two races puts Lorenzo only 3 - 5 seconds behind Marc and a seamless transmission could make up that time if it is installed before the kid perfects his style and speed even more. He's gonna get better.
Edit - the seamless needs to be installed for Silverstone. I have thought of this all day while I was away from my computer. This is all I can come up with at the moment. Can anyone expand or formulate another plan?
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
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here's a good strategy for beating marquez.
complete race distance faster than him.
if that doesn't work i don't know either
complete race distance faster than him.
if that doesn't work i don't know either
JG251
The first part of the season MM would allow Dani to lead and at some point late in the race he would attempt a pass on Dani. Sometimes he could make it stick sometimes not. He was still figuring out the limits of the bike during this time.
In this last race at Brno Dani adopted a follow MM scheme. Marc offered him the inside line several times and Dani would stick his front tire in but would not commit. In the end Marc still had enough tire left to pull away and maintain his lead over Dani.
Jorge does better with a clear track in front of him. That complements his riding style more than following another rider and he is faster that way. A slow corner rider tends to slow Jorge down if he is following that rider. Not a smart plan for Jorge to follow Marc. The Honda will accelerate faster out of the corners than the Yamaha.
The first part of the season MM would allow Dani to lead and at some point late in the race he would attempt a pass on Dani. Sometimes he could make it stick sometimes not. He was still figuring out the limits of the bike during this time.
In this last race at Brno Dani adopted a follow MM scheme. Marc offered him the inside line several times and Dani would stick his front tire in but would not commit. In the end Marc still had enough tire left to pull away and maintain his lead over Dani.
Jorge does better with a clear track in front of him. That complements his riding style more than following another rider and he is faster that way. A slow corner rider tends to slow Jorge down if he is following that rider. Not a smart plan for Jorge to follow Marc. The Honda will accelerate faster out of the corners than the Yamaha.
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I think Marquez is obviously a very talented kid who is likely to become a world champion. Is he the second coming of christ? It's way to early to tell, in my opinion. Yes, he is faster than his immediate opposition and has a comfortable lead in the championship. But some of that is down to where his opposition is in their career. Rossi seems to be way past his expiration date. More importantly, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo are now very seasoned. While Marquez is doing what talented young rookies do, going all out (compare to Lorenzo in 2007), they have followed a very different strategy for the first six races, that is carefully builiding up their season with an eye on the championship. Retrospectively, we know it was the wrong strategy. For one, because being on a problem-free bike with great tires and a great crew has allowed Marquez to run at the front without being forced into any of serious errors (with one exception) rookies usually make. The upshot being that Lorenzo and Pedrosa mistakenly assumed that the championship would be decided amongst themselves. And of course, both Lorenzo and Pedrosa injured themselves anyway, effectively taking them out of contention for the win for 3-4 races.
However, while Marquez has been winning the last four races, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo have been getting closer again. I would not be suprised if his winning streak is about to be cut short in the next few races. Probably too late to still wrestle the championship from him, provided he keeps his head cool.
If Marquez does keep on winning, I'll be ready to accept that he may go on to dominate the series for the foreseeable future, at least if the regulations will continue to favor his loose style. At the moment, he's still looking sloppy and making obvious mistakes. But he's only going to get better and more precise.
However, while Marquez has been winning the last four races, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo have been getting closer again. I would not be suprised if his winning streak is about to be cut short in the next few races. Probably too late to still wrestle the championship from him, provided he keeps his head cool.
If Marquez does keep on winning, I'll be ready to accept that he may go on to dominate the series for the foreseeable future, at least if the regulations will continue to favor his loose style. At the moment, he's still looking sloppy and making obvious mistakes. But he's only going to get better and more precise.
stiefel
You are so right. If MM picks up a couple more wins he will have placed himself in the position Jorge was in last year and will only need to ride hard enough to finish in third place to win the championship. Is he savvy enough to implement such a plan ? The kid is pretty sharp race wise or has been so far this season.
You are so right. If MM picks up a couple more wins he will have placed himself in the position Jorge was in last year and will only need to ride hard enough to finish in third place to win the championship. Is he savvy enough to implement such a plan ? The kid is pretty sharp race wise or has been so far this season.
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Stop Hating. .... cant you enjoy watch your seeing on your TV/Lappy Screens
NKOTB.MM
Got millions of fans even before he joined the MotoSp Band.
Enjoy it be glad your were around to see it. he making them look Ordinary except Jlo
she not bad either
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NKOTB.MM
Got millions of fans even before he joined the MotoSp Band.
Enjoy it be glad your were around to see it. he making them look Ordinary except Jlo
she not bad either
where's my Tartan Trouser pop pickers.
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Pigeon
Love that one guy that's trying to make himself more aerodynamic.
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Stop Hating. .... cant you enjoy watch your seeing on your TV/Lappy Screens
NKOTB.MM
Got millions of fans even before he joined the MotoSp Band.
Enjoy it be glad your were around to see it. he making them look Ordinary except Jlo
she not bad either
where's my Tartan Trouser pop pickers.
Coming to a Town & Arcade near You
Love that one guy that's trying to make himself more aerodynamic.
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tobalsan
The rookie rule came in in 2010 when the factory Yamaha seats were filled by Lorenzo and Rossi, both already contracted to Yamaha for 2010. There was no way Spies could have ended up in the factory team regardless of the rule.
The only other person who it could be claimed was affected was Simoncelli but did HRC really have want him more than Pedrosa and Dovi? It would appear not as they signed both for 2 years in September 09. If they had really wanted Simoncelli straight into the factory team, surely they would have only done a 1 year deal with Dovi so that Simoncelli could move up as soon as possible.
It was a rule that had affected no-one until Marques came up at the same time as Stoner retired. Keeping the rule (which was always stupid IMHO, especially as Suzuki were exempt and signed Bautista) would have been harsh to the satellite team that took on Marques and his sponsors, knowing they'd be gone to HRC at the end of the year and they'd need to find new sponsors for the next season having pissed off their current ones.
The rookie rule came in in 2010 when the factory Yamaha seats were filled by Lorenzo and Rossi, both already contracted to Yamaha for 2010. There was no way Spies could have ended up in the factory team regardless of the rule.
The only other person who it could be claimed was affected was Simoncelli but did HRC really have want him more than Pedrosa and Dovi? It would appear not as they signed both for 2 years in September 09. If they had really wanted Simoncelli straight into the factory team, surely they would have only done a 1 year deal with Dovi so that Simoncelli could move up as soon as possible.
It was a rule that had affected no-one until Marques came up at the same time as Stoner retired. Keeping the rule (which was always stupid IMHO, especially as Suzuki were exempt and signed Bautista) would have been harsh to the satellite team that took on Marques and his sponsors, knowing they'd be gone to HRC at the end of the year and they'd need to find new sponsors for the next season having pissed off their current ones.
tobalsan
So you think that this suspicious bad luck was deliderate? what if there was a fatality because of this suspicious tyre failure or the broken frame? this every thing is a conspiracy bollocks is just that, bollocks.
MM is on the best bike because Honda realised he was brilliant and employed him to ride the best bike.
The rookie rule was removed, so what, He would have still got the bike and the support in a sat team the same as Sic did, and even if MM was put in a sat team with the same support the results would be the same.
Spies had his chance on a factory bike and even without the mechanical problems his results were not the best.
All the conspiracies in the world cant take away from the fact Marquez is a brilliant rider and is showing us the future.
Deal with it.
So you think that this suspicious bad luck was deliderate? what if there was a fatality because of this suspicious tyre failure or the broken frame? this every thing is a conspiracy bollocks is just that, bollocks.
MM is on the best bike because Honda realised he was brilliant and employed him to ride the best bike.
The rookie rule was removed, so what, He would have still got the bike and the support in a sat team the same as Sic did, and even if MM was put in a sat team with the same support the results would be the same.
Spies had his chance on a factory bike and even without the mechanical problems his results were not the best.
All the conspiracies in the world cant take away from the fact Marquez is a brilliant rider and is showing us the future.
Deal with it.
